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Any suggestions for a next installment? The weekend's coming soon, and I'll be at a wall. I'd like to get a series of these going, and have someone pay me for it.

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oooh, now you should do three deeeeeeeeee tutorials.....nah, i mean, good idea, but graffiti aint a video game with a tutoriol, part of it is learning shit ya self, nice e though. what you write by the way if you dont mind answering...

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Originally posted by onesecondple@May 4 2005, 11:35 PM

oooh, now you should do three deeeeeeeeee tutorials.....nah, i mean, good idea, but graffiti aint a video game with a tutoriol, part of it is learning shit ya self, nice e though. what you write by the way if you dont mind answering...

 

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Aside from his spelling mistakes and punctuation, I agree.;) Learning online instead of experiencing by actually painting is "dAh WeAknEsS". But just for old times sake, what's the story behind this piece. I'm more concerned about the fill-in and the background. And I still can't tell if the lighting affected this piece or not. (for instance, there's that flash effect going on; very light purple with a touch of white? to that very dark purple) I hope this makes sense. Oh, and when you're at the wall this weekend, do that sexy background-fill in. BTW, here's the piece I'm talking about.

 

ouija_purple.jpg

 

 

 

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I'm not too sure of you letting out your secrets man. Aren't you afraid that someone is going to bite? Well, "afraid" isn't the world but you catch my drift. Anyway... instead of painting a regular wall. Try something completely unnecessary. "Unnecessary? What the fuck is this kid talking about?" This, my friends, is unnecessary.

 

delta7.jpg

^You don't see much like this. Maybe you can do a tutorial on spots that are hard to paint. Getting over rough edges and such. Maybe you can do another 3D piece...

 

 

I have more suggestions/ideas but I'm keeping them to myself. Have fun O.G.

-J.

 

 

ps - yeah, another 3D wouldn't bother me at all.

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for the most part, the spelling mistakes and puncuation are on purpose.

 

that ouji piece is the hott too, just a talented guy

 

i dont think that biting is a big problem with this thread because old growth is just showing the basics, how almost everyone does it, some people do an outline first them dimensions, then their fill in, thats not totally unheard of.

 

I just think people need to learn themselves, not on the innernet...

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Originally posted by Yellow Feets@May 5 2005, 04:13 AM

[suggestion/comment 1]

Aside from his spelling mistakes and punctuation, I agree.;) Learning online instead of experiencing by actually painting is "dAh WeAknEsS". But just for old times sake, what's the story behind this piece. I'm more concerned about the fill-in and the background. And I still can't tell if the lighting affected this piece or not. (for instance, there's that flash effect going on; very light purple with a touch of white? to that very dark purple) I hope this makes sense. Oh, and when you're at the wall this weekend, do that sexy background-fill in. BTW, here's the piece I'm talking about.

 

 

 

================================================

 

 

 

[suggestion/comment 2]

I'm not too sure of you letting out your secrets man. Aren't you afraid that someone is going to bite? Well, "afraid" isn't the world but you catch my drift. Anyway... instead of painting a regular wall. Try something completely unnecessary. "Unnecessary? What the fuck is this kid talking about?" This, my friends, is unnecessary.

 

^You don't see much like this. Maybe you can do a tutorial on spots that are hard to paint. Getting over rough edges and such. Maybe you can do another 3D piece...

 

 

I have more suggestions/ideas but I'm keeping them to myself. Have fun O.G.

-J.

 

 

ps - yeah, another 3D wouldn't bother me at all.

 

I'm not concerned at all that someone's going to bite. For one, there's about a hundred other writers that should be bitten rather than myself. Crazy technical ability on crazy letters that i can't even begin to try. For two, I'm not real possessive about my technical work. If someone wants to learn it, be my guest. I'll even teach you.

 

That piece is a little fucked up because of the lighting. The flick was taken later in the afternoon, and the sun was hitting some trees and creating some shadows. I wish I could replicate that effect, believe me.

 

As far as painting corners and such, what's so hard about that? I don't know if there's any technique to it.

 

I don't know if I'm the right guy to be teaching a 3D primer, but I guess I can try. I have a hard time with anything that has more than two dimensions.

 

I agree that people need to learn on their own. I don't see how a little instruction is going to hurt. Maybe kids will be more inclined to get out and paint if they feel they have a little direction. If anything maybe it'll improve the learning curve and I can learn a little something myself in a couple years.

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Originally posted by Old Growth@Apr 30 2005, 10:57 PM

Here's the fix-up of that bottom part. I overshot again, this time it was a mistake, so I have to go back and fix it.

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After fixing it back up with the fill.

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the flicks from here on wards dont work for me.

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I agree that people need to learn on their own.  I don't see how a little instruction is going to hurt.  Maybe kids will be more inclined to get out and paint if they feel they have a little direction.  If anything maybe it'll improve the learning curve and I can learn a little something myself in a couple years.

 

see thats the problem with the internet i mean people deicide to have a go and try graffiti out for themselves with no guidence from someone who has been doing it awhile....(i was lucky my brother started me off)but not everyone gets to meet people who do graffiti and they see is some pictures on the net and i think i can do that easy.....but then figure out there more to it than just a spray can and a sketch and who they gona ask someone who there findout has been doing it awhile by word of mouth and go ask him...99% chance he'll tell the kid to F off,we need more people willing to show how to learn these basic skills,yer people back in the day learnt this for themselves but now you guys have the knowledge to teach others and graffitit feeds off itslef anyway..may aswell help it along.............

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to an extent you gotta learn shit for yourself, i mean you cant jump on the net and all of a sudden have the dopest can control etc. matrix style. but i think theres too many kids coming out with no decent mentors, and they end up being 'into graff' for five seconds and think they can rack a couple of cheap tins and do unplanned pieces of crap over full burner productions, or bomb all over the work of other writers who have paid their dues.

we got this problem in our town where theres a whole range of newbs coming out of the woodwork without having touched a piece of paper to sketch on and capping pieces just because 'thats what graffiti is'.

im all for kids having to get their own ideas about more advanced techniques and all, but if you can sling em the basics and school em on the basic 'rules' then we will all be better off in the long run and wont have to look at all the hideous pieces with no theory and no structure

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yeah, people do complain alot around here. i've been writing for a long time, and had no one around to teach me when i started out.

i had to learn alot on my own, and did alot of shit backwards...that's a big problem with beginning young and having no writers in the town.

i don't see any problem with people sharing on the internet. wish i would have had advice like this when i started out...besides, there's still a ton to learn for people starting out, i don't think one or two threads on teks is gonna make any kid want to go out and do anything but practice....let's hope they go practice on plywood or something and stay out of the more experienced heads way....

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I think I might start a separate thread for that. That would be interesting...

 

The Internet:Should it be used as a tool for learning?

 

 

But that whole arguement is pretty much beaten time and time again. It's sooooooooooooooooo 2002. Let me think about this... Anyway, Old Growth, do what you do best. ;)

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Originally posted by Aven@May 9 2005, 08:41 AM

dude...this is a sweet thread for all the toys out there that have only been writing like 1 year and a half...(me included) ...its been really helpful

 

 

it should be helpful to all, even the experienced...just to see someone elses techniques makes me feel like i should re-evaluate myself in some aspects.

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Very cool thread. I'm not sure if this is the right place if not then mods are free to delete / move my post.

 

The way this was done made me wonder if there isn't a quicker way to finish the piece. If we're talking illegal graff here.

 

So what would be the way to build up a piece? For me the logical and fastest way would be this:

 

Sketch up the piece first

Fill in background

Fill in the letters

do shadows / 3d

do the outline

do the highlights

 

What I was wondering here was that the background was done so late in the piece, that if I was doing that at a dark spot I think I would go over my filling? But this was of course just an example to "Paint clean" so that's why it might've been done in a reversed order?

 

Either way id like to hear you guys oppinion about how to "build" a piece, in order to have the least amount of detail editing, and also how to finish it the fastest?

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personally for me, I hate "sketching" I try to laydown my initial outline as smooth as possible, other wise I feel like i get a fuzzy outline.

 

Try to do your "sketch" as if you were doing the outline of your piece, smooth full lines. Breaking down the letters into sections or bars (if your letters can be broken into bars).

 

It just comes out crisper and helps you get a better feel for the letter.

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im with glik0. try and get them 1st outlines on the wall clean. its a bitch to work out whats what if you have loads of different lines confusing you.

 

in terms of structuring a piece, this is how i do:

-sketch

-main fill

-background

-outline and 3d (if both same colours)

-double outline (aka forcefield, shell)

-highlights

-cut backs on highlights, outlines etc;.

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yeah, this is the first good thread in here in a long time. gives me a good feeling about 12oz when i see stuff like this.

 

gliko and sneak: were you both taught to do the no sketch thing? the way i learned is sketch first, etc. it just stuck, i guess. been that way for 13 years.

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Originally posted by Entro123@May 14 2005, 08:26 AM

The way this was done made me wonder if there isn't a quicker way to finish the piece. If we're talking illegal graff here.

 

If you're painting illegally, then some things will be different. What I posted originally was done in a chill, legal context to show how it's done from my perspective and level of skill. To some degree, all of what I posted can be applied to any sort of graffiti. It's up to you as a writer to set a limit on how much you're willing to do, and how long you want to be painting a given spot. If you're going to do highways, then i wouldn't personally be making everything razor sharp. It's not necessary for the context, since detail won't be noticed. If you want it to be perfectly crisp, go for it. It's up to the individual.

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