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Originally posted by <KEY3>@Apr 19 2005, 12:41 PM

The prophecy of St. Malachy


whoa... the prophecy says this about the new pope:


Gloria olivæ

The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order.


and what's his new pope name? oh really?


Yo that's a trip man... Religion really gets weird when you dig into all the esoterica. Well actually it makes more sense. Doesn't say much about this pope. What on earth could "Gloria olivæ" mean? He's German. Hmmm...

Well the olive branch is a symbol of peace.


wtf? i found this interesting bit whilst searching for the meaning of olives:

"Origin: The olive is native to the Mediterranean region, tropical and central Asia and various parts of Africa. The olive has a history almost as long as that of Western civilization, its development being one of civilized man's first accomplishments. At a site in Spain, carbon-dating has shown olive seed found there to be eight thousand years old. O. europaea may have been cultivated independently in two places, Crete and Syria. Archeological evidence suggest that olives were being grown in Crete as long ago as 2,500 B.C. From Crete and Syria olives spread to Greece, Rome and other parts of the Mediterranean area.

Posted by: M. on April 5, 2005 05:48 AM


Although the Benedictines said the next Pope is going to be of their order, the last Benedictine

Cardinal died in 1995.


It could be the French Jewish Cardinal if the olive represents that, but he's ot of the Benedictine order.


Then there is the fact that in the last few months, as a matter of fact in the last week, more than 50 new posts/Cardinals have been named, so there could be a Benedictine among them...and then there are two secret Cardinals.


(How did Pope John Paul ll do that on his death bed??)

Posted by: Pallas18 on April 5, 2005 05:49 AM


Well something is going on. The eclipse of April 8 at 19 Aries on the USA chart


We have Uranus square Uranus in the Gemini rising USA chart.


It has the Part of Fatality at 9 Virgo opp Uranus (making a T Square to the MC and Asc.


The Part of treachery at 16 Leo is opp Neptune


the Part of Life at 24 Gemini is opp PLUTO


The Part of Death at 19 Aries (dimbot's MC) in the USA chart is conjunct the Moon.



Wait, it gets better or worse, depending on your viewpoint.


Dimbot's chart has


Part of Life at 14 Leo opp Mars conj Vertex


Part of the Father conjunct Saturn


Part of Death opp the MC


Part of Danger opp Pluto


Part of Water Journeys (over water) conj Saturn



Posted by: Pallas18 on April 5, 2005 05:58 AM




Having read your linked article to the funny stuff in the Vatican bank - it begins to make sense.


And why Pope JP 2 would allow the crooked banker to stay until 1989.


When JP came in, Reagan came in, and who came in with Reagan? Pappy. And Pappy with the White Roses

and the recently discredited intel organization .


The Pope is credited with bringing freedom to Poland and the cause of the Iron Curtain coming down..


Not quite as simple that he helped Lech Waleska by advising him.


Through the CIA he also shipped arms and money to

Poland. A little thing that slipped out through tv stories today. Now if you were using the Vatican Bank and banker to help free your native country with the help of the CIA - that certainly is a blackmailable offense for a clergyman of the highest station to be involved in. And a good reason not to defrock the Vatican banker who helped you do it - as a matter of fact you'd have to protect him.


"a brief history of the Sandanistas is in order. From the late 1970's to 1990, a revolutionary armed political group ran Nicaragua called the FSLN, or the Sandanistas. President Reagan (and Pappy ) decided that a revolutionary government making many advances for the good of the impoverished common people was a bad example for Latin America. So, a counter military group was organized by the United States to challenge the regime, this group was called the contras, "contra" being the Spanish word for "against."


You remember Nicaragua, where Negroponte was the Ambassador who never saw a deathsquad?


Now if you owed Pappy, Reagan and the CIA for helping to free your beloved Poland - you now understand why Pope would forbid his priests

to be involved in leftist politics , revolutions of the poor and their attempted overthrows of Latin American countries...cause you'd be going against the people you owed.


But of course, the Papacy has always been involved in secrets and "dealings.


Borgia anyone?


(It's too bad-nothing is pure)

Posted by: Pallas18 on April 5, 2005 06:33 AM




no I haven't done a chart for Yellowstone.


You give me or any of us the birthdate the geyser was born and we can do a chart. :)

Posted by: Pallas18 on April 5, 2005 06:38 AM


Astrologers, any thoughts on Gore's newly announced TV venture set to kick off August 1st?

Posted by: Jeanie on April 5, 2005 06:43 AM


Google is a wonderful thing.

With a little help from a friend and google


there were several Pope Benedicts -


they were all Italian.


It's some Italian from an olive tree farm..or who has an olive tree on his coat of arms.


If it;s that Soldano or one who is involved in Opus Dei, it'll probably hurry the downfall of the Church...


I think they've been maneuvering to get their people in power as the Pope was failing.


This should be interesting



Posted by: Pallas18 on April 5, 2005 06:49 AM


Yes, it's true that Po"

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Thats bullshit, the church is racist... there will never be a black pope, the majority of those idiots think Jesus was white... hey dumbass, go to Jerusalem and tell me how many white people you see, not to mention that Jerusalem before was not even close to what it is today... white Europeans didnt start coming there till there was shit to* steal.

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^ yes most of the christians seem to think jesus was white,

they're also convinced that Adam and Even were white, Noah

and Moses were white etc etc etc....


However the Hebrew Ethnicity does technically fall into the Caucasion category,

but yeah.... in Isreal you wont find any pasty white people except the tourists.

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pissing on the pope's popsicle




ROME _ If things had gone differently, one of the 115 men sequestered within Vatican walls this week to select the next pope might well have been somewhere equally confining but far less appealing: prison.


Cardinal Michele Giordano, archbishop of Naples, was charged in 1999 with allegedly funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars in church funds to his brother in what authorities said was a massive loan-sharking ring. The charges followed a two-year investigation in which prosecutors tapped the prelate's telephone and raided his offices.


A judge found him not guilty in December 2000. But the cardinal's legal troubles aren't over. In 2002, Giordano was convicted and sentenced to four and a half months' confinement for illegally subdividing a historic palace. The wealthy heiress who bequeathed the property is also suing the cardinal because he sought to convert the palace into apartments instead of a home for poor retired priests as she'd wished, according to Italian news reports.


Giordano's lawyer, Enrico Tuccillo, on Monday characterized the matter as a technical legal dispute.


"One of the things that went against the clergy is that, by coincidence, one of the architects was a relative of the cardinal's," he said. "That brought a bad odor."


The 2002 conviction was upheld on appeal and is now before Italy's highest criminal court. It's often difficult even for Italians to understand Italy's convoluted, delay-prone justice system, but legal experts say that a person with no prior criminal history wouldn't be required to serve jail time in such a case.


The loan-sharking charges could have landed the cardinal in prison. The judge's verdict after a short non-jury trial shocked some independent observers, who'd concluded that the evidence against the cardinal appeared solid.


"We were scandalized," said Pantaleone Sergi, who covered the affair for the national daily newspaper La Repubblica and other publications. "It was all documented _ the numbers can't lie."


Tuccillo disputed that on Monday. "The judge looked at the evidence and excluded usury," he said, noting that the verdict was upheld on appeal.


As the case drew international media attention in the late 1990s, the cardinal didn't deny that he'd transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars in church money to his relatives, according to news accounts. But he said he didn't know that the money was allegedly being lent out at up to 300 percent interest, even as he was preaching against usury.


"I am clean inside, and someone up there knows it," said Giordano, a colorful figure who once preached a homily in Naples' cathedral in memory of a deceased Italian porn star.


Newspapers here said the cardinal was the highest-ranking Roman Catholic Church official to face criminal charges in Italy. He exercised his right to be tried by a judge behind closed doors.


How the Vatican handled Giordano contrasts with how it dealt with the scandal that enveloped Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston, who resigned as archbishop under pressure despite never having been charged criminally.


Through his troubles, Giordano has remained in full control of Italy's third-largest archdiocese. Six months before the verdict in the loan-sharking case, Pope John Paul II issued a special written blessing to the cardinal, saying the faithful "have no reason to tremble in the face of difficulties."


National Catholic Reporter columnist John L. Allen Jr., who speaks regularly with senior Vatican officials, wrote after the verdict that Giordano's woes were "a running embarrassment for the Vatican, given that John Paul II has so often preached against usury, and given that Giordano was allegedly stealing money from some of the poorest and most desperate people in Europe."


Allen added that "most people were convinced that no matter what happened ... Giordano would never see the inside of a jail cell, for the simple fact that he is a cardinal and this is Italy." He lamented "the clear perception the Catholic hierarchy has created, wittingly or not, that `taking care of its own' is its highest value."


The lead prosecutor in the case, Michelangelo Russo, declined to comment on the matter Monday, saying, "I stand on what was presented in court."


The charging document accused the cardinal and other defendants of singling out clients in financial trouble who had accounts at a bank branch office headed by Giordano's nephew. They allegedly were lent money at illegally high rates of interest.


Evidence in the case showed that $453,000 in lira had flowed from Giordano's accounts to his brother and $235,000 had flowed back, and prosecutors said that showed the cardinal was profiting from the loans.


"If I knew that my help ... was being used for illegal purposes, I wouldn't have given it to him," the cardinal said in 1998. "I would have hit him on the head."


On Monday, Giordano took his place in the Sistine Chapel, preparing to help select the next pope.

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Originally posted by <KEY3>@Apr 19 2005, 03:00 PM


However the Hebrew Ethnicity does technically fall into the Caucasion category,

but yeah.... in Isreal you wont find any pasty white people except the tourists.



Not true

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New pope intervened against Kerry in US 2004 election campaign



German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican theologian who was elected Pope Benedict XVI, intervened in the 2004 US election campaign ordering bishops to deny communion to abortion rights supporters including presidential candidate John Kerry.


In a June 2004 letter to US bishops enunciating principles of worthiness for communion recipients, Ratzinger specified that strong and open supporters of abortion should be denied the Catholic sacrament, for being guilty of a "grave sin."


He specifically mentioned "the case of a Catholic politician consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws," a reference widely understood to mean Democratic candidate Kerry, a Catholic who has defended abortion rights.


The letter said a priest confronted with such a person seeking communion "must refuse to distribute it."


A footnote to the letter also condemned any Catholic who votes specifically for a candidate because the candidate holds a pro-abortion position. Such a voter "would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for holy communion," the letter read.


The letter, which was revealed in the Italian magazine L'Espresso last year, was reportedly only sent to US Catholic bishops, who discussed it in their convocation in Denver, Colorado, in mid-June.


Sharply divided on the issue, the bishops decided to leave the decision on granting or denying communion to the individual priest. Kerry later received communion several times from sympathetic priests.


Nevertheless, in the November election, a majority of Catholic voters, who traditionally supported Democratic Party candidates, shifted their votes to Republican and eventual winner George W. Bush.

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It is also a well documented fact that Ratzinger spent most of the war in a POW camp after he deserted the army. He could have been killed for doing that. I would guess that he would have deserted for ethical/moral reasons. Deserting the army is not something you would take lightly. well, I am ready to believe almost all of the German population was brainwashed at that point. For the sake of sanity...

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Originally posted by fatalist@Apr 20 2005, 11:21 PM

It is also a well documented fact that Ratzinger spent most of the war in a POW camp after he deserted the army. He could have been killed for doing that. I would guess that he would have deserted for ethical/moral reasons. Deserting the army is not something you would take lightly. well, I am ready to believe almost all of the German population was brainwashed at that point. For the sake of sanity...



Im pretty sure he left 'cause there wasnt enough boy touching and jew killing. Ive heard he thought hitler was a half stepper, so he bounced, looking for a group that would last and continue to fuck people hence he found the Church.

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well said,

if you take a closer look, you'll see that cut on his thumb..and you all know which fractions symbol that cut is....be prepared people, rough ride ahead

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