villain Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 The Irish originally adopted catholicism so they could secretly worship their old pantheon through veneration of catholic saints. Similar things happened in south america. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by WhiteOx@Apr 7 2005, 11:57 AM Its pathetic how americans who like to think they have ties to ireland, through ancestry, support and romantise the IRA. Its shameful how ignorant most of the people in this thread are. its not a matter of "england out of ireland" Northern Ireland is part of the UK like scotland is. Ireland is Ireland. The conflict lies in the north where irish catholics are the minority and were sided against by protestant irish loyalists (loyal to england) Countless irish were shipped and immigrated to australia. I have a relative who was hung for leading the easter uprising but we dont run around claiming allegience to IRA. Americans fund terrorists and dye rivers green on st patricks day to uphold some image of being victimised 7 generations ago Quoted post Wow! I really hate ignorant fucks like yourself! Your statement almost makes me anxious for the day a forein nation (probably US) invades your country and claimes you all as ours and your land as ours and your bitches as ours! And after centuries of your people dieing to free your land I'd like to hear your oppinion then! <----(But I don't really want to see that happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1+Apr 8 2005, 08:32 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SF1 - Apr 8 2005, 08:32 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-WhiteOx@Apr 7 2005, 11:57 AM Its pathetic how americans who like to think they have ties to ireland, through ancestry, support and romantise the IRA. Its shameful how ignorant most of the people in this thread are. its not a matter of "england out of ireland" Northern Ireland is part of the UK like scotland is. Ireland is Ireland. The conflict lies in the north where irish catholics are the minority and were sided against by protestant irish loyalists (loyal to england) Countless irish were shipped and immigrated to australia. I have a relative who was hung for leading the easter uprising but we dont run around claiming allegience to IRA. Americans fund terrorists and dye rivers green on st patricks day to uphold some image of being victimised 7 generations ago Quoted post Your statement almost makes me anxious for the day a forein nation (probably US) invades your country and claimes you all as ours and your land as ours and your bitches as ours! <----(But I don't really want to see that happen). Quoted post [/b] Given the stupidity of that comment I am making the executive decision not to talk to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bodice_ripper Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Apr 8 2005, 08:32 AM Wow! I really hate ignorant fucks like yourself! Your statement almost makes me anxious for the day a forein nation (probably US) invades your country and claimes you all as ours and your land as ours and your bitches as ours! And after centuries of your people dieing to free your land I'd like to hear your oppinion then! <----(But I don't really want to see that happen). Quoted post Nice example. And that's exactly what happened to the Native Americans, and it happened more recently than the English colonising Ireland. That was in the 1100s I think, and we were already colonised by the Vikings and Celts at that point. And there you sit, preaching about countries you've proabaly never even been to. Shut up. I don't see you leaving the US anytime soon. Irish and English people are seriously interbred on this island, and there's probably only a handfull of people (if any) who are of relatively "pure" celtic stock. Some of the people who want to remain British in the North have been there for more generations than most people have been in the US.Some dialogue with out the tyhreat of violence might be helpful.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 ^True dat^. The difference is though that the Native Americans gave up a long time ago. You dont see them fighting for their land with the heart that the IRA has.Or at all even. If they were they'd be in the right.They'd definately be wiped out though. Also their reservations might be horse shit... But it's theirs. Our taxes and laws don't apply to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 ^Not really if "our" laws didnt apply to them Leonard Peltier would be a free man right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Apr 8 2005, 01:03 PM ^True dat^. The difference is though that the Native Americans gave up a long time ago. You dont see them fighting for their land with the heart that the IRA has.Or at all even. If they were they'd be in the right.They'd definately be wiped out though. Also their reservations might be horse shit... But it's theirs. Our taxes and laws don't apply to them. Quoted post They don't pay property tax, that's it. And they can't even sell the land if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I was under the impression that what happens on their reservation is out of our jurisdiction. My bad if I got that wrong. What's Leonard Peltiers story anyway? I've heard of him but I don't know the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Apr 8 2005, 07:03 PM Also their reservations might be horse shit... But it's theirs. Our taxes and laws don't apply to them. Quoted post yes, well "we" have the majority of the island, and England's laws and taxes don't apply to us either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Indian reservations are quote 'held in trust by the United States for the benefit of an Indian Tribe.' The title to their land is actually held by the United States. that's what you'll find if you read into the legal jargon states are targeting tribes both legally and in the public media as sources of untapped revenue(shakedown). it's sick, there is some shady shit going down in minnesota right now. sorry for going off topic, perhaps we'll need a thread on this, as i've noticed a few other threads have been dipping their toes into the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 SF1 i think its time for you to admit your ignorance you got served ! your irish then bodice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 The fuck you talking about? I put about as much stock into what Bodice has to say about Ireland as I do Bobthebuilder on America.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 pffft whatever mate this aint even about america - this is about ireland, and ignorant americans (you, and every other fag in this thread who is backing the IRA) thinking they know shit about the situation and that they have a right to take sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by WhiteOx@Apr 9 2005, 07:53 AM (you, and every other fag in this thread who is backing the IRA) thinking they know shit about the situation and that they have a right to take sides Quoted post Just like you asshole! Take a couple years to grow some hair on your dick then run your mouth you little shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I'm not taking sides - i'm saying gronky fags like you don't have any right or REASON to, based on your ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by WhiteOx@Apr 9 2005, 08:55 AM I'm not taking sides - i'm saying gronky fags like you don't have any right or REASON to, based on your ignorance Quoted post "Gronky Fags!?!?" What the fuck is a gronky fag??? <--- :haha: :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Oh yeah, your nothing but a teenage fuckwad from Australia perpetrating on the internet. Go play with your pet quail. <---Homeboy actually claimes to have pet quail in one of his posts. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 your out of your depth. You have no idea what the situation is in Ireland. You just get drunk on st pats day and talk about how awesome the IRA are, despite the fact that you don't know shit about anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. Lecter Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by QCrisp@Mar 17 2005, 09:04 AM What do the Americans think about the IRA? Quoted post Actually I don't think many Americans think too much about them... but I will say they don't group them in with the likes of Islamist groups. Possibly viewed more as an organized crime syndicate, and a non-governmental army...like a militia. As for their cause, it is much like the American cause of old, but now we have a feeling of compromise and burial of conflict for the sake of peace between two "civilized" and very much alike places. As an American who is only here because my family were Catholics from Tyronne county, I must say that I support a resistance of sorts,but I don't support attacks on civilians not directly involved in the conflict, especially those who live off of the disputed land. The purpose of armed revolutionary conflict is to eventually lead to a place in diplomacy and decision making,otherwise you're fighting just to fight. The IRA and Sinn Fein already have a (albiet minimal) place in the government, continuing an armed resistance is at this point only counter-productive to increased sovreignty. ---------------------- P.S. Despite what Kofi and the rest of the lawyers think,of which the UN is composed of... The true definition of Terrorism is the use of violence to draw public attention to a cause. It is physical propaganda, not simply as the UN is likely to label it in their coming resolution, "The intentional killing of civilians"...that falls under the pre-existing title of a war crime, and although the intentional killing of civilians is an element of Terrorism, Terrorism is not a necessary element of the intentional killing of civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 On Leonard Peltier: Link "Amnesty International considers Leonard Peltier to be a political prisoner whose avenues of redress have long been exhausted.... Amnesty International recognizes that a retrial is no longer a feasible option and believes that Leonard Peltier should be immediately and unconditionally released." -- Amnesty International, April 6, 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I'm not reply to random shite from SF1, because I believe I have made my point. WhiteOx, I was born on Long Island, but promptly moved to Ireland. I've lived here all my life. I have Irish citizenship, my father is Irish, I went to Irish schools, I was forced to learn Irish etc. I'm Irish. HLecter knows whats's up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIZZaBcfly Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by bodice_ripper@Apr 9 2005, 08:12 PM I was born on Long Island imo that'd make ya an american in fairness btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by MIZZaBcfly+Apr 12 2005, 06:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MIZZaBcfly - Apr 12 2005, 06:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bodice_ripper@Apr 9 2005, 08:12 PM I was born on Long Island imo that'd make ya an american in fairness btw Quoted post [/b] BUZZZZ. wrong. According to the Irish Constitution, having an Irish father makes me Irish from birth. I am a citizen. Your opinion doesn't come into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabo 2 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by bodice_ripper@Apr 9 2005, 08:12 PM I was forced to learn Irish etc. HLecter knows whats's up... Quoted post just out of interest how common is irish gaelic in day-to-day use? d'win siarad cymraeg a seasneg, ost dim gwyddelig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIZZaBcfly Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by can of worms@Apr 13 2005, 11:12 AM just out of interest how common is irish gaelic in day-to-day use? Quoted post A can of worms, a chara, Tá sé teanga marbh! Is mise le meas, Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIZZaBcfly Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by bodice_ripper@Apr 13 2005, 07:55 AM According to the Irish Constitution Quoted post gerr up ourra that ya mad yoke! we both know the irish Constitution in regards to citizenship is a load of tripe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Originally posted by MIZZaBcfly+Apr 13 2005, 07:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MIZZaBcfly - Apr 13 2005, 07:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bodice_ripper@Apr 13 2005, 07:55 AM According to the Irish Constitution Quoted post gerr up ourra that ya mad yoke! we both know the irish Constitution in regards to citizenship is a load of tripe Quoted post [/b] you have your opinion, I have my passport. Why would you begrudge me my nationality when you never even met me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Maybe cause you come off as having no Irish pride, yet you claim to speak for Ireland. I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Apr 14 2005, 04:18 AM Maybe cause you come off as having no Irish pride, yet you claim to speak for Ireland. I could be wrong. Quoted post And people who didn't get behind the Nazi's weren't German, no? I don't claim to speak for Ireland, I just really hate to see people who've never set foot in the country backing a bunch of child killing thugs (who claim to speak for Ireland) ps Irish pride is a sort of bread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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