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Originally posted by villain+Mar 9 2005, 03:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (villain - Mar 9 2005, 03:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bobthebuilder@Mar 8 2005, 08:55 PM

I said 21. If everyone would have somone in the military people would make smarter choices voting.

 

 

That's a good point. Might even be effective if the vote actually counted anymore.

 

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That's precisely why bills SB 89 and H.R. 163 were proposed in the first place, backed entirely by Democrats. To smack some sense into people before going off on stupid wars.

 

I can't believe this is still being discussed. The draft is not gonna happen.

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Originally posted by angelofdeath@Mar 9 2005, 04:21 PM

"The draft is not gonna happen."

 

exactafuckinglactly.

 

 

It can only be a good thing when people discuss the issues before they happen. People have been forced to join armies for thousands of years, its only shortsighted to believe it can never happen again in our lifetimes...

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Originally posted by El Mamerro+Mar 9 2005, 03:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (El Mamerro - Mar 9 2005, 03:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by villain@Mar 9 2005, 03:05 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-bobthebuilder@Mar 8 2005, 08:55 PM

I said 21. If everyone would have somone in the military people would make smarter choices voting.

 

 

That's a good point. Might even be effective if the vote actually counted anymore.

 

 

 

That's precisely why bills SB 89 and H.R. 163 were proposed in the first place, backed entirely by Democrats. To smack some sense into people before going off on stupid wars.

 

I can't believe this is still being discussed. The draft is not gonna happen.

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Yup that's right. I remember Mr. Rangel (D-NY) talking about that.

 

As for the draft happening or not, it depends on if the situation with the military is resolved soon enough or not. The problems are real enough.

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Originally posted by villain+Mar 9 2005, 03:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (villain - Mar 9 2005, 03:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bobthebuilder@Mar 8 2005, 08:55 PM

I said 21. If everyone would have somone in the military people would make smarter choices voting.

 

 

That's a good point. Might even be effective if the vote actually counted anymore.

 

The longest MOS training in the Army is for the linguists. It is 2 years long. Then again there aren't alot of slots open for that and they are hard to get. If there was a draft it would be mostly grunts of course. And there is talk of this special skills draft. I'm a bit confused because I keep hearing about how they want to take all support MOS' and make them civilian jobs so that everyone in the Army can be grunts. I've heard this from very high level people... even some colonels. Then again I don't think this administration knows what it's doing half the time.... hence Bushs response to criticism of his Social Security plan, "I'm open to suggestions".... lol

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The JV 2020 was disputing it. I dont think it will happen.

 

We dont really need more troops, if you think about it, we are no longer in 3GW conflicts. There are no "battles" to be won. This is 4GW warfare, guierilla, from Mau to Osama. The military is thinking about creating an extra branch, called POWER or some shit. Its basically a Special forces branch, eliminate individuals (SUch as navy seals, marines Force recon... etc) and put em all into one big branch. Special forces soldiers are whats needed to fight the insurgents, backed by thermal real-time satellite imagery, a 15 man team is as effective as 3 Batallions. Anyways, just my opinion.

 

 

By hippie i mean people who cant fucking wake the fuck up. We aren't the only country that goes to war, for oil or for any other reason. This is the world you live in, war is what shaped this world, its necessary. Overpopulation of this earth is just as dangerous as global warming or any of that other shit.

 

-toodles.

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yeah i've heard about this special unit... might have something to do with this quick reaction force.

You are right, this is guerilla war, not conventional war. I've been bitching about this for a long time. We need more police skills than military skills. Investigations, intelligence....

That's what I'm saying... where's the damn goggles you can see through concrete walls with to put a 50 cal round from a sniper rifle into a hostile with? haha...

Plus it would make this war alot more messy, and help us keep the respect of the locals.

 

Yeah all this fucking bullshit over oil... while I know this is a necessary evil-

1) i don't like the idea of making bush and his elitist buddies rich

2) we should be investing alot more into alternatives

3) i really don't think it was necessary to go to war to get iraq to sell us their oil.

4) the idea of blood for oil is morally preposterous so then it's covered up with "WMD" and "Democracy" making everything even more ridiculous and preposterous

 

*I remember now, it's supposed to be some sort of urban warfare unit... yeah they came through here looking for skills

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ive read a million things on the internet. ive seen the news. ive read the posts. ive heard the bitching and opinions. and ive come to this:

 

 

i still dont know. and to be quite honest, NOONE knows. anyone can assume and be all "its not going to happen," then the people thatll say "its likely, itll happen," blah blah blah. truth is, look at rolling stone..cnn..all these other reputable sources. thats the shady part. while everyone is bitching, the only thing we really can do it wait till this "march 31st" date of somewhat importance.

 

fuck giving your opinion cause noone but the eite fucks in the govt. know right now about the issue. ill look back at this when some speaker of the whitehouse is going to tell us if something is going to happen or not on march 31st. haha.

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Please do correct me if im wrong, but i heard from a american govt professor that the only child of a family cannot be drafted into the army is this true? for the record im the eldest of three so if theres a draft im screwed anyways.

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Yeah that was the case so that someone could carry on the family name. As for now however.... i dunno.

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jeez, i dont know if there will or will not be a draft. but i do see the same hostility and close minded bullshit that makes me sick happening over this issue like so many others. people just label eachother and then cease to hear one another.

when you use a term like "hippie" what does that mean? Or "liberal" or "conservative". these words are bullshit and they save you the trouble of actually discussing the issue with some thought and effort.

Personally, I just hope that America will one day be liberated from our obsession with money and wealth and status and we will be able to have generations value and enjoy life. Rather than sell it to the small group of unimginably wealthy people which run everything. These people must be dethroned and we must reinvent our national moral compass.

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Originally posted by angelofdeath+Mar 4 2005, 09:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (angelofdeath - Mar 4 2005, 09:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>fucking hippies.

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you guys are to funny. first off im not a neo con. second off your a bunch of pussies if your scared of a draft. end of story.

 

 

Hey faggot I'm calling you out. Tell me what you write and where you're from and I'll make the trip as soon as posible and we will see who's a fucking hippy. I need the excuse for a road trip.

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Oh yeah, "Angel of death", why aint you in Iraq??? :confused: :confused:

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like has previously been said, i'm not going to pretend to know or understand what s going on behind closed doors. but i do know that i will not ever volunterily join any of the armed forces while we fight wars over shit like we are right now. and if they do reinstate the draft that i will not go. and it will not be because i am a pussy or a hippie, but that i refuse to put my life on the line for some rich guy to get richer because he lied to me and made me feel patriotic. and if they try and come take me from my home and make me fight, i will kill as many as i can before being gunned down myself, because i would rather die over something i believe in, and what i believe is that all of this is over a few people's GREED.

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Originally posted by SF1+Mar 25 2005, 03:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SF1 - Mar 25 2005, 03:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by angelofdeath@Mar 4 2005, 09:19 PM

fucking hippies.

 

 

<!--QuoteBegin-angelofdeath@Mar 7 2005, 10:11 PM

you guys are to funny. first off im not a neo con. second off your a bunch of pussies if your scared of a draft. end of story.

 

 

Hey faggot I'm calling you out. Tell me what you write and where you're from and I'll make the trip as soon as posible and we will see who's a fucking hippy. I need the excuse for a road trip.

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I don't get all the name calling either. We are THUGS, not HIPPIES. We KILL people for talking SHIT.

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Here's some news about recruitment, retention, and reinstatement levels:

 

Army Expects Recruiting to Slump Further

- By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

Wednesday, March 23, 2005

 

(03-23) 11:15 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --

 

The Army expects to miss its recruiting goals this month and next and is working on a revised sales pitch appealing to the patriotism of parents, Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey said Wednesday.

 

Whether that boosts enlistment numbers or not, Harvey said he sees no chance of a military draft.

 

"The `D' word is the farthest thing from my mind," the former defense company executive told a Pentagon news conference, his first since becoming the Army's top civilian official last November.

 

Because of the military manpower strains caused by simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, some in Congress have raised the possibility of re-instituting the draft, although there is a strong consensus against it among Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the military chiefs.

 

This is the first time the United States has been in a sustained period of combat since the all-volunteer force was introduced in 1973. The Air Force and Navy, which have relatively smaller roles in Iraq and Afghanistan, have no recruiting problems, but the Army and Marines are hard pressed.

 

The Army missed its recruiting goal for February by 27 percent, and that was the first time it had missed a monthly goal since May 2000. The last time it missed its full-year goal was 1999.

 

As of Feb. 28, the regular Army was 6 percent below the number of recruits it had expected to sign up at that point in the recruiting year, the Army Reserve was 10 percent off and the Army National Guard was 25 percent off.

 

The Army is forecasting that all three elements — active, Guard and Reserve — will fall short of their targets for March and April. That means they will have to make up the lost ground this summer — traditionally the best recruiting season — in order to meet their full-year goals.

 

"I'm clearly not going to give up," Harvey said. "At this stage we still have six months to go" before the recruiting year ends Sept. 30. "I've challenged our human resource people to get as innovative as they can. And even as we speak we've got a number of new ideas."

 

One of those new approaches is designed to persuade more parents to steer their children to the Army.

 

"We're going to appeal to patriotism," he said.

 

That might be done through a new advertising campaign, he said. He also is encouraging more members of Congress as well as senior Army leaders and Army boosters to spend time in local communities touting the benefits of military service.

 

The Army also has increased the number of recruiters on the street by 33 percent and is offering bigger signup bonuses. Last week the Army announced that the National Guard and Reserve were raising the maximum age for recruits from 34 to 39 in order to expand the pool of potential enlistees. The regular Army could not raise the maximum age without congressional approval.

 

In a related matter, the Army said more people in the Individual Ready Reserve — those no longer in uniform and not obligated to train — are going to be hearing from the Army in the weeks ahead. The Army has revised upward the number of IRR soldiers it plans to put on active duty, from the 4,402 announced last summer to 4,653. Of those given mobilization orders so far, 370 have failed to report for duty, according to Lt. Col. Pamela Hart, an Army spokeswoman. An additional 2,229 have asked for delays in their reporting dates or for exemptions.

 

Harvey also disclosed that the Army is "looking at" changing its policy on having more than one sibling in a combat zone at the same time. He did not say how the policy might be altered, and he declined to say more about the subject, other than to indicate that it came up when he visited the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, where wounded U.S. troops are treated.

 

The current policy is that if one of two siblings in a combat zone is killed, the Army will consider removing the remaining one from the combat zone if the surviving soldier or his parents request it, according to spokeswoman Hart. She said she was not aware of any planned change.

 

Lt. Col. Tom Collins, spokesman for Harvey, said later that Harvey was in the early stages of thinking through the whole issue and that no proposed changes had been developed yet.

 

 

URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file.../w111557S06.DTL

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If you took the time to read that whoel article. the people who can make the decision of reinstating the draft dont want it. Ive already given reasons why the draft is responsible for military ineffectivity. If anything they will give a pay rasie or higher sign on bonuses... it will be cheaper that way.

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2 words: Iggy Pop. It only took my man 2 hours to dodge the draft! Homeboy just rocked the crazy wood with no briefs at the inspection and was subjected to a battery of psychological testing which he gladly failed. I also heard rumors of some dude putting peanut butter in his droors and pulling out handfulls and eating it in front of the draft board....they thought he was eating poop!

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