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9 hours ago, mr.yuck said:

@EGGZThat last one is both interesting and completely not my shit at the same time. Try and expand on that one. 

I plan to do alot of different styles. I am just experimenting to be honest. I plan on doing one with alot of complexity soon. Thanks for the input. Appreciate it.

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How can I tell the difference between a kink in a letter and a serif? Generally speaking I know the difference but there's times when I look at a letter within a piece and have absolutely no clue how to tell the difference. (And would creating a kink be the equivalent of creating a new bar?) 

 

Another question, are you allowed to just add a bar to a letter and maintain letter structure? Not like an extension but like just a good ole regular bar. Say you have a B and the base of the B is flattened out completely instead of it being consistently round the whole way through. Is that just a B with a kink or is the equivalent to adding a bar? 

 

Sorry for not adding images to aid my questions. I'm busy so you'll have to conceptualize it the best you can lol. 

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On 10/6/2021 at 5:03 PM, Aristo said:

How can I tell the difference between a kink in a letter and a serif? Generally speaking I know the difference but there's times when I look at a letter within a piece and have absolutely no clue how to tell the difference. (And would creating a kink be the equivalent of creating a new bar?) 

 

Another question, are you allowed to just add a bar to a letter and maintain letter structure? Not like an extension but like just a good ole regular bar. Say you have a B and the base of the B is flattened out completely instead of it being consistently round the whole way through. Is that just a B with a kink or is the equivalent to adding a bar? 

 

Sorry for not adding images to aid my questions. I'm busy so you'll have to conceptualize it the best you can lol. 

 

Yeah, visuals that speak to your questions would be helpful because I don't really understand what you're asking. However, I'll try to answer based on what I think you're asking. 

 

Sounds like. you know the difference between a Serif letter and a Sans Serif letter, so I'm not sure where the "kink" comes in. To me a kink would be the same as a sharp bend, so are you asking about bending the serif of a letter or are you asking what the difference between a bend and a serif is? 

 

You are "allowed" to do whatever you want so long as your letters hold their shape. When you start adding bars indiscriminately just to fill space you run the risk of taking it too far. As long as your R or your T look like an R and T, for the most part, add all the bars you want. My thought around adding extra bars to letters that are solely used to fill in "dead" space are sometimes a result of the letters not sitting next to each other in a better way. Some writers purposefully leave space between their letters and fill the space with bars but because that is a consideration when laying out their letters those added bars look purposeful, and not just filler. 

 

So short answer - yes, the bottom half of a B can be a flat, non-rounded bar as long as the letter itself still looks like a B. 

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Your letter E could be repurposed as Z on the end for continuity. You've used the letter G twice so using the same basic shape of the E for your letter Z makes sense. The top and bottom of the E can be reused, just sort out the bar that connects them to make the letter Z. 

 

Also, your cross-bar on your letter G is exactly the same as the bar above it, making it look and feel more like a letter C. Give that cross-bar slightly more emphasis to make it look more like the letter G. 

 

 

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Thanks man good points. I see what your saying about the E matching the Z, and also the horizontal bars on the G. Maybe I could of left the top horizontal bar off of the G and made the lower one more fatter.

 

Before I approach my piece these are some things I need to consider. I know it looks like an arrow overload but that was my goal funny enough. This ultimately shaped my letter completely.

 

Thanks for the tips.. 

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53 minutes ago, EGGZ said:

Before I approach my piece these are some things I need to consider. I know it looks like an arrow overload but that was my goal funny enough. This ultimately shaped my letter completely.

 

Well, yes... I'll agree with that it's an arrow overload. BUT - I don't mind them so much within the piece. Maybe clean up the ones that are acting as battle armor on the outside of your piece. Keep them consistent in size/shape and get rid of the kinks. Keep them straight. Something like below:

 

 

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On 9/13/2021 at 1:16 PM, nachodik said:

@Joker or anyone else id love a crit on these pieces as well as my tags, I also gots some style questions that I'd love some answers too, how do you properly do 3d where you show highlights in the 3d? can you do a core shadow in ur letters an if so how does one go about doing so, I saw a revok piece that had the highlights of his piece go from the center out, as if his light source was at the same perspective as the person viewing the piece, is there a name for that? also what is the name for the red sheen i did on my two pieces and am I doing it properly? 

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I apologize... I had written a reply to this a while ago but apparently didn't hit submit. Sorry about that. 

 

Basically I said something to the effect of the orange simple-style piece looks great. I have no feedback other than you need to paint that. 

 

The pink outline piece on the other hand looks like it could use some tightening up. The swooping bars at left and right look forced, if that makes sense. When adding bars like that try to make them feel like they're a bar that has grown out of the letter and is sweeping away from it. Keep it tight to the letter, for now, and as you get better at them you can start to push the boundaries a little. I drew this letter S for you about a month ago to explain what I mean. Again... sorry I did not hit submit earlier. Also - the cross-bar of the T doesn't need to be so thick. If you made it the same weight as the top bar of the E you could essentially run the cross-bar of the T right into the top bar of the E. If you look at your piece now you can see that already happening... you just need to thin out the cross-bar of the T. Also, that descender leg of the E that kicks out to the right - how it goes back up to the vertical bar of the B, I would make that become the bar of the B. Then the bottom straight bar of the B you can extend that to the left and overlap the descender leg of the E. 

 

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@Joker Thnx for the crit all that makes alot of sense, an no sweat bout not replying right away, the only problem is i have moved on to other stuff, altho if u could peep them out that would be nice (also i for sure threw that sketch up, but bubbled) 

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On 9/25/2021 at 7:49 AM, Yuog said:

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i used to do the same thing with large chunks of color and no defined separate colors for lines , until i realized i was subconsciously applying  mosaic artwork

into most of my stuff.

that really did help with a lot of the issues i had trying to mesh characters into an area of words

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On 10/28/2021 at 10:10 AM, nachodik said:

@Joker Thnx for the crit all that makes alot of sense, an no sweat bout not replying right away, the only problem is i have moved on to other stuff, altho if u could peep them out that would be nice (also i for sure threw that sketch up, but bubbled) 

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Nice! So glad you painted this. 

 

 

 

On 10/28/2021 at 10:10 AM, nachodik said:

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I like what you've done with the tops of all your letters having a similar upward flare, but I think you could dial this in a little more by shifting the R to the left, a little closer to the E. If you look at the horizontal bars at the bottom of the E and R... they're both practically the same thing. I think if you shift the R to the left and run the bottom bar of the E into the R you'll have the same piece but it'll flow a little better. 

 

 

On 10/28/2021 at 10:10 AM, nachodik said:

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Good, simple letters? Check. Bits and highlights? Check. Broken concrete wall? Check. Classic simple-style Graffiti. Well done. 

 

 

On 10/28/2021 at 10:10 AM, nachodik said:

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Yeah, paint this. Same colors, same fill and 3D. Paint it. I think every writer with a couple of blackbooks to their name has little bits of paper taped to a page to extend the sketch. So funny, I love it. 

 

 

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20 hours ago, nachodik said:

@Jokeror anyone else how do my letters look, any crits?

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Two notes of feedback on this: 1. The P feels like it's being pushed and falling to the right. It's the like E said "Nah, B... ". I would copy the R and just remove the leg. It's the same build as the P except for the leg but at least it sits upright. 2. The C feels slightly bigger than the rest of the letters. 

 

Other than those two notes this feels pretty good!

 

Question for you... when you're doing your marker fades are you doing all the yellow then going in with orange? To get better fades I would color by letter. Marker ink stays wet for a very short amount of time. If you shorten the amount of time you're building your color fades then you have a better chance at applying wet ink to wet ink, which will give you a smoother fade. Darker colors to lighter colors is more difficult but with practice it's possible. 

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Forgot the #2 in my notes...
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