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On 7/18/2021 at 2:25 AM, mr.yuck said:

@Ray40The one thing your sketches have going for them is the thickness consistency of your bars is pretty okay. That “Y” is fucking wild. Not it a good way. 
 

I like the lower case “a” in the 5th sketch. The rest of them look crazy. That top bar is way long and out of proportion to the rest of the letter.  
 

The “R” in that last sketch is solid as fuck if you delete the arrows off of it.

 

For real, though, what’s with all the arrows? Are you trying to add a layer of complexity or are you trying to balance your letters out with them?

 

circling back to that “Y”… draw a lower case g and then erase the top of the curve. Play with that style of “Y” and see how it fits with everything else.

Thanks 

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On 7/20/2021 at 11:20 AM, Joker said:

 

First, it's good to see you pushing yourself into a direction. Compared to the last pieces you posted a while back, these feel different, and a step forward. That said...

 

Looking at them I'm reminded of an old "electric" font, where each letter looks like it's got 220v coursing through its veins. I agree with what's been said already... too many arrows, which is to be expected from someone still learning. Personally, of the six outlines, if you too the A from the 5th sketch and replaced the A in the 6th sketch... I'd grade that outline a C-. 

 

The biggest critique, honestly, is that your pieces have little to zero flow to them. It's as if you drew each letter individually, cut them out, and then glued them together with no thought to how they'd connect or flow into each other. If you're sketching letters individually to learn them that's great, but when you start bringing them together you have to consider how each one rests next to each other. Ideally each letter should feel like it's getting a hug from the letter beside it. They should all fall into place like pieces of a puzzle. Does that make sense?

 

Here's a writer with your same name (well, RAYS)... look how smoothly one letter flows into the next one. Even though the R and A are at odds with each other, like two mountains butting heads, it still works because of everything else going on in that section of the piece. The two letters still work nicely together. 

 

 

 

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Thanks Joker, I was wondering is it bad we have similiar names, does it really matter 

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1 hour ago, Ray40 said:

Thanks Joker, I was wondering is it bad we have similiar names, does it really matter 

 

Uh... do you have any idea how many writers out there write "Joker"? No? Well, let me tell you... it's a lot. Like, a lot. I mean, there's a "Joker" in every major city, often several. So while you and a guy in German may have similar names, he's in Germany and already a well-stablished writer with his own style. If you were to add an S to your name and start biting him... that could be a problem. But you and I both know you're not going to do that because that's dumb. And more importantly - the peer pressure and shit talking you'd get on this board would be so overwhelming that you'd stop. 

 

Technically, you should have a unique name. This is an unwritten "rule" from the early days of writing when you were up against a few thousand other names in one city. Now that the culture has been made popular worldwide for the last four decades having the same name or a similar name as someone else is common, and to be expected.

 

So long answer short - no, it doesn't matter. What you do with your name is what matters. 

 

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On 7/27/2021 at 5:36 PM, Joker said:

 

Uh... do you have any idea how many writers out there write "Joker"? No? Well, let me tell you... it's a lot. Like, a lot. I mean, there's a "Joker" in every major city, often several. So while you and a guy in German may have similar names, he's in Germany and already a well-stablished writer with his own style. If you were to add an S to your name and start biting him... that could be a problem. But you and I both know you're not going to do that because that's dumb. And more importantly - the peer pressure and shit talking you'd get on this board would be so overwhelming that you'd stop. 

 

Technically, you should have a unique name. This is an unwritten "rule" from the early days of writing when you were up against a few thousand other names in one city. Now that the culture has been made popular worldwide for the last four decades having the same name or a similar name as someone else is common, and to be expected.

 

So long answer short - no, it doesn't matter. What you do with your name is what matters. 

 

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Ok, so I was visiting my cousins in New Mexico who also write and we started catching tags and slapping a few stickers. Then we are about to leave to finback to there house and my cousin decides he has to tag one Last thing. I had only gone stickers cause I forgot my markers at home and couldn’t bring them on the trip so I just slapped a sticker on it and kept moving. Then they( my brother and my cousin) tag it and take a super long time and a cop car pulls over as soon as we finish and ask us if we were tagging it.I say no and he has no proof that we did it and couldn’t check us cause he didn’t have a permit so he end letting us go. Then he follows us for a bit before leaving us alone. We got lucky and I was suspicious for the rest of the trip. Moral of the story, don’t try to catch one last tag or slap one last sticker 

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I think 12oz gives you a badge for that, 1st graf x police interaction.  Think the next badge is when you come back with a chase story. 

 

But yeah, stay low key and avoid the police.  And don't make any statements about any illegal activity you may or may not have done if they stop you.

 

 

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A bit of a struggle to find an e that works. I’d like to use an uppercase E but I’ll still need to experiment a bit before I come up with something I’m satisfied with. I can’t figure out how to fill the negative space in an appealing way with a capital e 4AE0CE9F-CC03-47AB-BFB7-5D335CD09A38.thumb.jpeg.a0b72a9078e52eb7ef0bb2649c929481.jpeg7866723C-88EE-48DB-8E4C-597E1BF0A1A8.thumb.jpeg.3fc4a50753070afa077d94e794fb2202.jpegE86DE7F1-0B83-462E-A6C6-98787F00721D.thumb.jpeg.aefa6977681eeb804238c4b0cbc79642.jpeg

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@Aristo- Yeah, I understand what you're saying. When you lean your letters to the left it definitely creates a struggle for some letters. I've seen a lot of folks lean their letter the opposite direction but it doesn't always work. Anyway, here's a few options to consider tinkering with...

 

 

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Joker, thanks as always, your critiques are impressive because you can vocalize what I can sense visually in some of the pieces but don't know how to say. 

Is there a better way to learn to identify and describe these issues w flow, spacing, weight on pieces. 

I always see individual letter issues but it is hard to see the finished piece issues until you are done, then decide what needs work as far as the whole piece with it's weight and symmetry.

 

I guess if you paint enough pieces you begin to have an innate ability to sense something is off even if the letters themselves are constructed well. 

I'm rambling as usual, but it is very interesting to me. Art is always subjective but there are strange rules that come into play with letters, typefaces and communicating those with style without losing the inherent framework? I vaguely remember Asian writers having issues with writing the chinese characters without losing the meaning, and many of them opted to write in english. 

 

would this kinda be similar to the "know the rules and how to work within them before you can break them" school of thought I see in art and photography? 

 

 

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@Joker or anyone else id love a crit on these pieces as well as my tags, I also gots some style questions that I'd love some answers too, how do you properly do 3d where you show highlights in the 3d? can you do a core shadow in ur letters an if so how does one go about doing so, I saw a revok piece that had the highlights of his piece go from the center out, as if his light source was at the same perspective as the person viewing the piece, is there a name for that? also what is the name for the red sheen i did on my two pieces and am I doing it properly? 

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