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First, I want to cover something I see often, and that’s the middle bar of letters like B an R. There’s a tendency to make that middle bat as thick as the rest of the bars of the letter, and it makes sense to think that, but if you look at a regular typed letter R you’ll notice that the middle bar is thinner than the rest. Carry over that thinking into your Graffiti letters and your letter B or R will look better for it.

 

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6 hours ago, billoboy2020 said:

ok thanks joker im gonna tell him that.  

 

I drew a lil bit in the last days aswell, i tried to write Hörbi (ö is a german letter, idk how to explain how it sounds but its something like the ea of early i guess) so Hearby would probably be the closest. 

Idk if these are any good, ive tried to make them pretty simple with nothing to fancy. im just trying to sketch alot over the winter. The last one isnt finished as u can see but i liked the R and the B so far and wanted to know what u think of it

 

 

 

 

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Because you singled this one out I’ll give some feedback...

 

I think I mentioned this to Ray, but some of your bars look like you took a ball of clay and tried to form them into parts of a letter... specifically the left bar of the R. Try to think of each bar of your letter being the same weight (except the middle bar of your R and B should be thinner). You can stretch sections out, like toward the end of the bar or maybe a rounded section,  but try to keep bar weights similar. That B is pretty good but the R looks like it’s got some work to do. 
 

I played around with it for a second just to give you an idea of what to consider...

 

 

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Just dropping in here to say, the toy thread really is banging, The help being put on for people here really is something, I remember spending years, and I mean YEARS, being fucking terrible and not being sure how to fix it. To get this kind of advice is huge.

 

Anyway, keep on keeping on guys.

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Kinda new here, but here’s some quick pieces I was working on today. I’ve been trying to attempt my pieces in the same way I do my throwies. I’m trying to lay out the lines for the bars in one clean stroke rather than sketching them out slowly. 008B7CC1-2BFB-4AA3-9575-34FBD7DC09B0.thumb.jpeg.a32883bc1f8604376bd48eb5693852ff.jpeg0DE7F10D-4CA2-41D7-A08B-444BD401A015.thumb.jpeg.5bd186376f0f86c6d6eaa24e864775ed.jpeg

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@Aristo - I like the style, and its great that you’re conscious of keeping your bars the same weight. I took some liberties and made a few edits to your sketch to show how you could bring some flow into it... I mean, the flow is there but you’re stubbing the toe in a few areas, so to speak. 
 

The bar coming off the first letter naturally flowed right into the left bar of the R. You could also play off the middle bar of the R and give yourself the I that can nestle in neatly between the A and R. The T and O were both fine IMO so I didn’t really touch them. 
 

See my note at the top of this page about not double weighting the middle bar of the R.

 

Not sure if you were looking for help or just sharing, but I figured I’d give my feedback just in case. 

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Another option is to bring the I in from the A, and then play the R off the I...

 

 

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@Joker I was looking for advice so I guess I should've made that clear lol. Thanks for the critique and taking time to create some examples though! My terminology knowledge is pretty bad so I'm gonna have to ask what you mean  by bar weight? Are you just referring to consistent bar width?  

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32 minutes ago, Aristo said:

@Joker My terminology knowledge is pretty bad so I'm gonna have to ask what you mean  by bar weight? Are you just referring to consistent bar width?  

Sorry, I tend to talk in typeface terminology due to my day job. Yes, the width of your bars are all pretty consistent, which is nice. There are some spots where that width can contract or expand, as I showed in my examples. Those fluctuations done in the right place can sometimes make the letter feel like it's coming off the page, or feel animated. If you're not into that don't take my lead - stick to what you're doing with the weight of your bars because it's working. 

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On 11/5/2019 at 6:46 AM, Joker said:

Because you singled this one out I’ll give some feedback...

 

I think I mentioned this to Ray, but some of your bars look like you took a ball of clay and tried to form them into parts of a letter... specifically the left bar of the R. Try to think of each bar of your letter being the same weight (except the middle bar of your R and B should be thinner). You can stretch sections out, like toward the end of the bar or maybe a rounded section,  but try to keep bar weights similar. That B is pretty good but the R looks like it’s got some work to do. 
 

I played around with it for a second just to give you an idea of what to consider...

 

 

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thanks for taking the time man, looks really fucking dope. okey so i used ur drawing as help and this is what i got. im really bad with extensions and i cant really make the piece dance, if u know what i mean. also i suck with negative space i think.

 

 

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@billoboy2020- Yep! That is looking pretty good. The right bar of the H, at the top, is curving into the umlaut - that feels forced. I think keeping the flow of the top of the R going into the top of the H feels better, more natural. See sketch below. 

 

The Y works, but it's not as dynamic as your other letters. The letter Y can be difficult, no doubt, but definitely keep playing around with how the shape of the letter fits into the B. Eventually you'll find the one that works really well and you can build off that one. 

 

You can also look at what other writers with a Y in their name are doing. Just go to this page and scroll through the names looking for that letter Y

 

 

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I have been sketching, wrestling season been getting in the way so I haven’t been in the streets In my town. I am doing the sticker thing a bit, got a batch in my wrestling bag.  Anyways, can you guys tell me what I need to do with my sketches and if I should start evolving it. If so, please give me some advice 4A965778-621E-42BC-9A21-3980D0E2BB51.thumb.jpeg.b843e81c3ad054a51e4ad9ea3d41ac63.jpeg

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This thread has inspired me to pick up a pencil again after about 8 years since I last drew anything haha

Have been doodling a heap of quick straight letters lately when I get time at work.. still struggling with the weights/proportions on my E for some reason, which is frustrating cause it seems like such a simple letter bars wise

may have to have a go at some single letter studies as was suggested a few pages back

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20 hours ago, Ray40 said:

...can you guys tell me what I need to do with my sketches and if I should start evolving it. If so, please give me some advice 

 

 

 

You've definitely drawn that simple style RAY plenty of times to understand the letters, and it's obvious that you've got them down. So if you want to start evolving your letters, try this iconic letter R that is an update to the letter you've been doing. Sketch this out a bunch of times and once you get that down we'll add the A to it, then the Y.

 

 

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20 hours ago, aimer said:

This thread has inspired me to pick up a pencil again after about 8 years since I last drew anything haha

Have been doodling a heap of quick straight letters lately when I get time at work.. still struggling with the weights/proportions on my E for some reason, which is frustrating cause it seems like such a simple letter bars wise

may have to have a go at some single letter studies as was suggested a few pages back

 

 

 

 

 

That's great you're getting back at it! Although, to be honest, once you catch the bug you never really retire. Graffiti has a way of always pulling you in, whether you paint or not. 

 

Most of those simple styles look good to me. They can be tightened up, for sure, but you've obviously done this before. Let me know if you want some ideas to mess with and I'll be glad to put something together. 

 

Often times when sketching out our whole piece we tend to put more focus on our favorite letter or other letters instead of all of them, and one or two letters get overlooked (... I've done this a lot). Doing single letter studies can help you focus on your weaker letter, forcing yourself to draw it several different ways and finding ways to make it work with your other letters. Looking at what others have done isn't really biting... it's inspiration. It's when you do exactly what you see that it becomes biting. I mean, there are a lot of great writers out there who all do or have done a very similar letter E or S or C. It's inevitable. So I say use some images for inspiration on finding an E that works for you. Just make sure when using inspiration that you're using it as a building block to your own idea. 

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Thanks so much @Joker,I really wanted to change it up a little. I will use your advice on my next couple of pieces

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5 hours ago, Joker said:

Let me know if you want some ideas to mess with and I'll be glad to put something together. 

Thanks mate, would be awesome if you could

Gonna spend a bit of time researching a few different styles for a bit of inspiration now

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22 hours ago, Joker said:

That's great you're getting back at it! Although, to be honest, once you catch the bug you never really retire. Graffiti has a way of always pulling you in, whether you paint or not. 

 

Most of those simple styles look good to me. They can be tightened up, for sure, but you've obviously done this before. Let me know if you want some ideas to mess with and I'll be glad to put something together. 

 

Often times when sketching out our whole piece we tend to put more focus on our favorite letter or other letters instead of all of them, and one or two letters get overlooked (... I've done this a lot). Doing single letter studies can help you focus on your weaker letter, forcing yourself to draw it several different ways and finding ways to make it work with your other letters. Looking at what others have done isn't really biting... it's inspiration. It's when you do exactly what you see that it becomes biting. I mean, there are a lot of great writers out there who all do or have done a very similar letter E or S or C. It's inevitable. So I say use some images for inspiration on finding an E that works for you. Just make sure when using inspiration that you're using it as a building block to your own idea. 

word sometimes Ill just look at the bars that makes up someone elses letter structures to give me inspiration but using my own steez and style 

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On 11/12/2019 at 3:17 PM, Joker said:

You've definitely drawn that simple style RAY plenty of times to understand the letters, and it's obvious that you've got them down. So if you want to start evolving your letters, try this iconic letter R that is an update to the letter you've been doing. Sketch this out a bunch of times and once you get that down we'll add the A to it, then the Y.

 

 

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Hey joker I seen ur criticism on elbows symetrical shit, ignore that shit where the bottom of the a and n connect I know the ks a bit too tall but this is a rough one 

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5 hours ago, Banok1 said:

Hey joker I seen ur criticism on elbows symetrical shit, ignore that shit where the bottom of the a and n connect I know the ks a bit too tall but this is a rough one 

 

Yeah, I like it when they’re similar, not exactly the same. Both are a skill, though. Thanks for sharing!

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@aimer- I took a few of your sketches and embellished them to show how you could add just a little more style to your letters. Hopefully these two sketches will inspire you to take your sketches just that little bit further. 
 

 

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