Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 @Limeliciouz- In a couple of those new sketches you’re overlapping the letters too much, hiding them. Let the letters breathe, give ‘me a little bit of elbow room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 @GONE.FTS- No one can ever tell you that you don’t do themes. Damn. Most of what you posted has some potential. Needs help, but has potential. Kinda the same thing I’ve been saying to Ray and Lime... keep your line weights consistent. That will help tremendously. Also, you’ve got a couple different styles going on and I think you should pick one to concentrate on, nail it, then move to the next. I think you could also benefit from the single letter sketch exercise I mentioned a few posts back. Just practice the letter G over and over again, keeping the line weight consistent throughout the letter. Same with the O, N, and E. I don’t got themes, just letters and characters... 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I come for the toys but I stay for the @Joker so fucking clean, makes me wonder WTF I'm doing even picking up a pen...... 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 @Limeliciouz- Forgot tot say that I really like that last sketch you posted. The soft, rounded feel of that one is really nice. With a two or three-color fade and some breaks over top of that would look really nice. Something I noticed in one of your previous sketches but failed to bring up, and something you've probably already tried, is using that serif at the end of the leg of the L as a connection point for a lowercase i. It could help fill in the dead space between the L and M, and eliminate the overlapping. Example below... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) @enteruncreativename- Sorry I spaced getting back to you. So you've definitely got your own thing going on with the faceted angles and unconventional shadowing, and normally I would tell you to smooth things out and straighten things up, but because I'm all about straight lines and angles (fucking abstract Graffiti art...) I'm interested to see this one play out. I've made a few edits to your posted image below - For the most part it was fine but I did open up some of the thinner sections and eliminated the defining line in the B (not needed) to give the overall piece a better read. Also, because with this style the O and D will naturally feel/look similar it's important to distinguish the two from one another so there's no confusion. Make the O feel more "round" while the D has a definitive cuts are the top right and bottom right. Let me know if those edits make sense and how else I can help. The one-liner throwie isn't bad, but it could definitely use some tightening up. Kinda hard to show an example using a mouse so when I'm home and can work it out on my tablet, I'll share those thoughts. Edited October 23, 2019 by Joker Highlighted the letters I'm speaking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enteruncreativename Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, Joker said: @enteruncreativename- Sorry I spaced getting back to you. So you've definitely got your own thing going on with the faceted angles and unconventional shadowing, and normally I would tell you to smooth things out and straighten things up, but because I'm all about straight lines and angles (fucking abstract Graffiti art...) I'm interested to see this one play out. I've made a few edits to your posted image below - For the most part it was fine but I did open up some of the thinner sections and eliminated the defining line in the B (not needed) to give the overall piece a better read. Also, because with this style the O and D will naturally feel/look similar it's important to distinguish the two from one another so there's no confusion. Make the O feel more "round" while the D has a definitive cuts are the top right and bottom right. Let me know if those edits make sense and how else I can help. The one-liner throwie isn't bad, but it could definitely use some tightening up. Kinda hard to show an example using a mouse so when I'm home and can work it out on my tablet, I'll share those thoughts. Thanks a lot for making this post. I have heard that same comment about me having my own abstract style to my letters before and that humors me to hear it again. The line in the B that I added in was to separate the letter from looking like an 8. I agree with what you said in defining the D more sharply as compared to the o, I did actually try to make them distinctly in my drawing. But I do take pride in my one liners. But this word's lettering is too repetitive for me and I was just bored enough to sketch some new letterings with a test name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 These are my sketches from school today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Joker said: @Limeliciouz- Forgot tot say that I really like that last sketch you posted. The soft, rounded feel of that one is really nice. With a two or three-color fade and some breaks over top of that would look really nice. Something I noticed in one of your previous sketches but failed to bring up, and something you've probably already tried, is using that serif at the end of the leg of the L as a connection point for a lowercase i. It could help fill in the dead space between the L and M, and eliminate the overlapping. Example below... Yup tried it but always came out looking like a u but then again it was with round throwie .... looks intresting to make it into a peice tho imma try that. Yeah it’s deff cleaner the way u did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I looked at the 3d for a while trying to figure out what about the W made it look like it was sitting further forward..... but @Jokernailed it..... you can see that it's actually a bit lower than the other letters. The slant on the L looked a bit weird because none of the other letters had that kind of angle to them..... they were all vertical bars with the exception of the W, so doing the L with a leaning bar like that looks out of place from the rest of the letters. edit: sorry I'm replying to a thread I opened days ago and didn't realize it had been days since then. ..... this was in reference to the piece 2 pages ago that had the leaning L and the W that seemed too far forward. A GOOD tip someone showed me a long time ago is to draw some parallel lines going from the left to the right...... and make the tops an bottoms of your letters fit into those. That way you have uniform letter height. If you look at the one Joker did for "GONE" on the last page you can see that the bottom of all the letters kinda sit on a "line" and they all follow it. This makes for a uniform feel and a pleasing look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Edited October 23, 2019 by Limeliciouz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Nice ones @Limeliciouz - these are looking great. The sketch with the L/I sitting behind the M, and the M behind the E... I think if that overlapping was opposite (meaning E behind M, and M behind L/I) the whole piece would read better. Right now your I is sitting behind the M and it feels too hidden. Maybe leave the E as is but bring that L/I to the front of the M. Small edit, but it'll help. Nice work! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: I come for the toys but I stay for the @Joker so fucking clean, makes me wonder WTF I'm doing even picking up a pen...... LOL! Thanks, man. They're quick sketches but I'm having fun with it. I spend wayyyyyy too much time trying to abstract letters into their simplest forms for my own Graffiti, so these simple-style exercises have been great for keeping my personal letter structure from getting too off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 @Joker ok I’ll try it .... up to u if u want me to post it again with the edits also this one i copied an outline a friend did ... he was practicing chisel styles I think. good dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 @Limeliciouz- no need to repost. Keep doing what you're doing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Done a few but starting to look repetitive help me out with this wackass wildstyle antistyle whateva u want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONE.FTS Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Limeliciouz said: Done a few but starting to look repetitive help me out with this wackass wildstyle antistyle whateva u want I like this but just from a quick view of it I think the M and the E need some work. A bit like this quick touch up I’ve done - im sure @Jokercan provide a better revision of it tho Edited October 24, 2019 by GONE.FTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Some sketches from today and yesterday, I defined think I have a better understanding of letter structure, please give advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Make ur dropshadow thick noticeable. Rn ur dropshadow thin and looks wonky cos it’s swallowing the regular thin lines. Just something I learned 🤷♀️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thanks @Limeliciouzi really appreciate the advice. PS your sketches looks awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Had an idea went with it now I’m not sure it works. Doh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Limeliciouz said: Done a few but starting to look repetitive help me out with this wackass wildstyle antistyle whateva u want I see what you're going for, but I think even with this concept you're still smushing your letters too close. Again, give 'em just a little breathing room. Also, If you eliminate some of the lines so the letters look like they're wrapping around each other it might work out. See the example below... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Giant said: Had an idea went with it now I’m not sure it works. Doh I like the idea, but what if the cut-shift wasn't so drastic? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeliciouz Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 @Jokerperfect. Save the day again lol. Was mostly wondering if it’s total crap or got some potential.... i think I might make it thicker or something. I dunno I feel like if I wud see someone else do it I wud flip past them and laugh toyyy so hard. I dunno. I’ll work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 @Ray40- For the most part, your simple-style RAY is looking good. Just a few thoughts for you to try: Your Y is still a wee-bit wonky compared to the R and A. Try not curling up your descender at the bottom but making it shoot toward the A, instead back up into itself. Does that make sense? Also, if you look at the green line you'll notice that the Y is made up of two bars - on the left is one vertical bar that descends and kicks to the right - on the right is one vertical bar that descends and kicks to the left. Basically the same bar, just one is longer and kicks the opposite direction. Try to keep you line weights the same on each bar, and keep them in line. It looks like you have a tendency to draw the Y in three bars which makes it a bit inconsistent. Give that horizontal bar in the A a bit more weight as edited below. It'll feel more in line with the other letters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Limeliciouz said: @Jokerperfect. Save the day again lol. Was mostly wondering if it’s total crap or got some potential.... i think I might make it thicker or something. I dunno I feel like if I wud see someone else do it I wud flip past them and laugh toyyy so hard. I dunno. I’ll work it out. It's got some potential, for sure. If you like it - spend some time to work it out. Again, maybe just work on the L and I, first. Draw them intersecting different ways a couple of times. Find the best option. Then do the same with the M and E. Then bring them together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Thanks so much @Joker,seeing advice to get better makes my days get brighter, thank you so much I will improve where I can 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Joker said: I like the idea, but what if the cut-shift wasn't so drastic? Really cool. Reminds me of some of the mashup stuff the VLOK kids are doing... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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