Spray Paint

[eviltrailer77]

Damn, guess I have to get off the internet and go do my own footwork...:D

[HAL]

Please don't post that retarded shit again.

[eviltrailer77]

SOOO... I got off my dead ass and picked up 2 cans of Velspar with the new valve system. Satin Black and Sumptuous Purple (one of my favorite colors in that brand).

 

1) Its the thicker style of male valve stem, like rusto universal or kilz up-shot. So a yellow sect adapter SHOULD work.

 

2) There are a lot more female caps available in that valve style

 

3) I got pretty good results with spray starch caps, until...

 

3) The valves on both cans clogged, completely. The purple at about half a can, the black almost immediately.

 

I have been using a few select Velspar colors here and there for a while and had had good results, up until now that is. Shit is trash now.

[STYLEISKING]

The photos show images of the Molotow Headquater

MOLOTOW™ HQ in Lahr (Black Forrest, Germany)

jurgen feuerstein

[HAL]

Holy shit. So many colors. I love Molotow, so I'm very envious.

[a mutant rancor]

Next time im in Germany im so stoppin by there!

[Schnitzel]

from a couple years back when I visited a guy whow as working at the offices of a german mailorder company.. most paint I have ever seen!

[DEEN XMEN]

Haven't been here since April ... WOW! O-0 I Been super busy ;)

[autoteller]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity, how much does a pallet of premium paint go for? I've always wondered how much it would cost to actually stock a shop when they do their orders

[DEEN XMEN]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity, how much does a pallet of premium paint go for? I've always wondered how much it would cost to actually stock a shop when they do their orders

 

That would depend on who (brand) you are buying from and what quantity you would like to purchase.

 

What sucks is this:

 

There are so many brands out now - but this isn't the real problem.

 

The real problem is how you gonna buy something wholesale for lets say $2.50 and the person selling it to you is selling it themselves for $2.95

 

Do you think your shop can cover its expenses off .45 cents profit?

 

So its kind of stupid to buy something from a "wholesaler only to have to compete with them"

 

These new brands don't realize it but they are ruining things for the small shops.

 

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

 

So I'm not singling anyone in particular out: these are damn honest facts here.

 

Why do you think so many mom and pop graffiti shops can't survive?

 

Small shops need to make a capita of at least 50 - 60% per dollar to make it.

[STYLEISKING]

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ROGER GASTMAN / VINTAGE SPRAY PRINTS

Posted on October 10, 2011 by Revok

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends, Enemies, Past Lovers, Zombies and members of the Press,

 

I am pleased to announce that I have a new series of prints available on GraffSupply.com. Since many people expressed interest in my spraycan collection at MOCA, I figured I should make prints. I thought you might be able to help spread the word about them. Blog it, tweet it, forward it, or just junk it.

 

TOOLS OF CRIMINAL MISCHIEF: THE CANS

 

“The Cans” is a three-print series created as companion pieces to Roger Gastman’s limited-edition book, The Tools of Criminal Mischief.

 

The 24-by-36-inch prints feature vintage spraypaint cans from Gastman’s collection, which was recently featured in MOCA’s Art in the Streets exhibition.

 

Gastman carefully selected the cans for each print, which includes coveted brands such as Krylon, Rustoleum and Red Devil as well as off-brands with colors such as Silver-Skate Aluminum and Baa Baa Black.

 

Featuring hard-to-find cans, vivid colors and vintage logos, “The Cans” is the perfect gift for any graffiti writer, art collector or graphic designer.

 

Specs:

• 3 print series

• Edition of 250 per print

• Hand-numbered

• Giclee Print on Epson Somerset Fine Art stock 255GSM

• 24×36

 

$95 each

$250 for the set of 3

+ S&H

 

get yours here:

http://graffsupply.com/posters/

[HAL]

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

 

$10 Montana Gold is ridiculous. I hear they require shops to price it at a certain level. What writer can afford to buy that shit?

[DEEN XMEN]

$10 Montana Gold is ridiculous. I hear they require shops to price it at a certain level. What writer can afford to buy that shit?

 

 

HAL you are absolutely right, $10 for a can in this economy is outrageous. I would never pay that kind of money for a can. Most I'd "probably pay is $6".

Unfortunately Hipsters and wanna be Rock Stars suck it up since money isn't a issue to them.

 

The German Montana had END TO END as the only distributor and sold to the small graff shops and didn't require a contract to sell at a advertised price.

 

Unfortunately I don't know what happened but they Sold out to the corporate monster MP who now only sell to brick and mortars.

 

For those that don't know the "wholesale price" for Montana Gold is $4.79 and the lowest price you're allowed to sell it for is $7.20.

 

Spanish Montanas is the best way to go far as price goes.

 

What I was saying though is if you own a small shop how can you stay afloat if you're only going to make .45 cents off a can and you must compete with the very people you bought the product from. No way small mom and pop graff shops in America can survive.

[STYLEISKING]

about mtn,meet the alien boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEEN XMEN]

Fresh paint is made in china, Deen, on the other hand, is trying to push an American made product. Hopefully his new formula will be alot better than the first. But u gotta give da man his props, for doing what he is doing. Shit is not easy.

 

With Artissin, I didn't mind the lack of coverage so much as the rusto valve the paint has. I got a can of the Mint Green and some red that was similar to Rusto Regal Red. It reminded me of late 90's Krylon in terms of coverage, which is workable. The valve is shit for any detail work, which defeats the purpose of artist-specific paint to me.

 

The chinese paint is so cheaply made. It fades so quick out here in the Colorado sun, especially the pinks, and the purple/pink/red bleed thru is the deal breaker for me. I like the price, but damn. Even Walmart paint never bled through white.

 

looks like deen has some competition with fresh paint

 

 

After being away from here for so long.. I finally got to finish reading through all the pages.

 

Here are some answers:

 

First and foremost I am a Graffiti Writer, I'm not some washed up has been pretending and on some bs just to sell something. Graffiti is part of my life and its something I love to do.

 

You can be something because you love it and support it or you doing it for a chance at riches.

 

It wasn't easy getting help here in America if any help at all, so I was on a learning curve.

I've learned so much over the past 15 months. I intend to put it all to good use.

 

The pressure of the paint for artists: I've since learned how to make low pressure cans.

I also finally found the Old School Krylon Valve. In the end I'm going to make both types high and low pressure cans.

 

I do everything myself, I don't have any investors throwing down stacks of money. This is all 100% me.

 

You live and you learn; you take what you learn you put it to good use.

 

On the good side: I got some pretty huge contracts that will be reflected in a very good way soon.

[STYLEISKING]

[Schnitzel]

yuck yuck yuck

[HAL]

The pressure of the paint for artists: I've since learned how to make low pressure cans.

I also finally found the Old School Krylon Valve. In the end I'm going to make both types high and low pressure cans.

 

That's what I like to hear. I'm looking forward to using the paint with the Krylon-style valves. Best valve ever, in my opinion. A can with one of those, and a fixative style NY Thin is the best.

 

I was under the impression that the valve is what changes the pressure feel for paint, not the actual amount of propellant in the can. No? I've torn apart many empties in my time, and I've noticed the valve is different on those high pressure european cans. Seems to have a faster flow rate.

[dontlookback]

That would depend on who (brand) you are buying from and what quantity you would like to purchase.

 

What sucks is this:

 

There are so many brands out now - but this isn't the real problem.

 

The real problem is how you gonna buy something wholesale for lets say $2.50 and the person selling it to you is selling it themselves for $2.95

 

Do you think your shop can cover its expenses off .45 cents profit?

 

So its kind of stupid to buy something from a "wholesaler only to have to compete with them"

 

These new brands don't realize it but they are ruining things for the small shops.

 

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

 

So I'm not singling anyone in particular out: these are damn honest facts here.

 

Why do you think so many mom and pop graffiti shops can't survive?

 

Small shops need to make a capita of at least 50 - 60% per dollar to make it.

 

Deen....I don't at all sell spraypaint or make spraypaint but think I have answers for some some of your rhetorical questions and comments.

 

First off...straight graffiti shops are living a fantasy if they think they're gonna survive off ONLY or MAINLY graffiti supplies.

 

Second....for the best profit shops should be going to manufacturers. I don't think manufacturers are willing to deal with every mom and pop shop's overseas freight issues in the world, hence distributors. I do work in import and export. Mark my words; the day aerosal can be shipped by air the game might change. I say "might" because if aerosal was able to ship by air it still may not be cost effective. It is in the distributors best interest to be able to compete within the region they supply because thats how they're going to stay afloat selling ONLY graffiti supplies. Any neighborhood shops selling graff supplies is going to be expensive because and they are going to be banking on convenience not price.

[dontlookback]

Also...deen, I know you were a bit sensitive about my speculation and criticism but i was you I'd improve on coverage. I know I coulda just got some of your paint that was from a bad batch.....but honestly either coverage needs to improve or the consistancy of your production does. I think the valve is the least of your problems.

[autoteller]

Ok, since i'm playing the 'what if' card right now, let's say a brand like painter's touch or something of that sort, or do their distributors ONLY sell to established, branded corporate shops? I've never actually went into a graffiti shop and saw a well stocked case of rusto.

 

Just getting the inside-scoop

[Schnitzel]

wouldn't you just go to home depot/ hardware store?

 

I'm sure those brands rusto etc would be unlikely to have their products so blatantly linked to graffiti by having their products in an environment that is pro graffiti.(despite the fact that so much of it is used for graff) it would be a bad look

 

I've never seen a graff shop with anything other than the specialist paints really...

[autoteller]

Well, I mean, home depot is a great place to get individual cans, but the whole theory behind it is to get the lowest price possible, and aside from manufacturing the paint, the next best thing is to get bulk orders.

[Stakk]

I dont think u will see much Rusto in any "Graff Shop." Why? Because u can get rusto anywhere, and it is an all purpose paint. Yes its used in graff but its also used in every paint application imaginable. A graff shop will carry mostly hard to get paint, like MTN, ironlak, etc.

[DEEN XMEN]

Ok, since i'm playing the 'what if' card right now, let's say a brand like painter's touch or something of that sort, or do their distributors ONLY sell to established, branded corporate shops? I've never actually went into a graffiti shop and saw a well stocked case of rusto.

 

Just getting the inside-scoop

 

wouldn't you just go to home depot/ hardware store?

 

I'm sure those brands rusto etc would be unlikely to have their products so blatantly linked to graffiti by having their products in an environment that is pro graffiti.(despite the fact that so much of it is used for graff) it would be a bad look

 

I've never seen a graff shop with anything other than the specialist paints really...

 

Well, I mean, home depot is a great place to get individual cans, but the whole theory behind it is to get the lowest price possible, and aside from manufacturing the paint, the next best thing is to get bulk orders.

 

I dont think u will see much Rusto in any "Graff Shop." Why? Because u can get rusto anywhere, and it is an all purpose paint. Yes its used in graff but its also used in every paint application imaginable. A graff shop will carry mostly hard to get paint, like MTN, ironlak, etc.

 

 

They will not sell to Small Graffiti stores, these companies only deal with big boys or lower tier hardware/supply shops like a Ace for example.

 

They have pretty strong anti-graffiti stance yet they "promote spray paint art" - go figger.

Its a sneaky way to yes buy me for your graffiti ..and then be like " I didn't say that"

 

Schitznel = Yes you're exactly 100% right.

 

____________________________________________

 

Basically what I was saying earlier though was this: If you were the owner of a shop, would you buy something for lets say $3.35 and then turn around and sell it for $3.95 only to make .60 cents profit? - 99% of you would say NO

 

That's not even the worst part ; The worst part is when you have to compete with the person you're buying it from.

 

 

Graffiti shops/stores support the hip hop , street , urban art, graffiti scene.

Don't forget the majority of the people in the USA see this as a blight while Europe embraces it. Things do seem to be changing in the USA for us though :p

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[DEEN XMEN]

That's what I like to hear. I'm looking forward to using the paint with the Krylon-style valves. Best valve ever, in my opinion. A can with one of those, and a fixative style NY Thin is the best.

 

I was under the impression that the valve is what changes the pressure feel for paint, not the actual amount of propellant in the can. No? I've torn apart many empties in my time, and I've noticed the valve is different on those high pressure european cans. Seems to have a faster flow rate.

 

 

You're right HAL .. Its the valve and the width of the dip tube (sucking straw).

Smaller the intake hole on the valve itself the lower the pressure will be.

 

Gives the same effect as trying to suck up a heavy milkshake with a thin straw!

 

I'll post some pictures of it soon!

[Blackbook Pages]

A few cans of rusto with the male valve i used kept not working. Id be spraying then all of a sudden it doesnt even work anymore even untouched cans. Just doesnt spray. How do you fix that?

[HAL]

Sounds like there's either a problem with the valve or dip-tube. Rusto seems to be alright in terms of paint solids gumming things up, unless they're 10+ years old. I've had many Rusto tall boys over the years that wouldn't spray right side up, then sprayed when you turned them upside down. The dip tube on those cans seems to be really shitty, and either falls out of place or isn't seated to the valve properly. When you say male valve, I'm assuming you're talking about the newer cans with the stem attached to the valve. The way they make those "any angle" cans is by having a hole near the valve that has a blocker (steel ball or whatever) that drops in to block it when held normally. It could be that the valve is faulty and the blocker isn't dropping properly, so it's just spraying propellant.

Less likely, you didn't shake the can enough, and a blob of paint solids got stuck in the tube, rendering the can useless. Happens to me with Ironlak, 80's Rusto, and other high solids paints often enough. Not much you can do about it. If you've got a good stash of paint, you can let that can sit for a few months and sometimes it'll settle out and start working again. That's why they say to shake the can thoroughly. If all else fails, just find a board with a nail in it and spike the can. You'll get most of the paint on the wall and it's not a total loss.

 

I would just waltz into Home Depot with your best frustrated face on and exchange them.

[SheenOne]

^^ its happened to me on the rusto 2x cans.. i just took them back and exchange for new ones .. just said it didn't work.. easy exchange.

[Stakk]

When I first started using painters touch 2x I had a bunch of cans that stopped working. U really need to shake it very good for minimum 2 min. Time urself when u shake it. 2 min will feel like 5. I havent had one clog on me since.