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heshiandet: yeah, no doubt, i think i hinted at the "CURVE" issue too. i, personally think he wrecks shit and has a pretty fly hand. i think his hand is better than mine, and i was raised here. i remeber seeing a wicked he did in pentel at june/skye's crib once. he's got the picture in my mind...BUT, i also know how many people hate him/or hate on him. i don't know. in my defense, i've never met the guy, and a lot of the philly old heads say that has a lot to do with it...but i never understood that anyway...philly kids are always like "yeah, he's up, but he's a nut..." like what does that matter? i distinctly remember a few really big names in philly telling me that SAPOSE and INDIO are nuts cause their hands are weak or something like that....huh? i think its cause SAPOSE is kind of a crazy (as in insane) brother....but if hes up, hes up, in my opinion. (and INDIO and SAPOSE are up as shit)....anywho, i think CURVE gets respect...well, he gets mine....but i can attest to the fact that lots of big heads hate him...like REALLY hate him. some one recently called him a "videograff writer" to me, as an insult. i dont know what means really , but it was said with lots of venom. i think its because most philadelphians hate anyone not from here. hell, they hate half of the people that ARE from here! but especially out of towners. the only way youre gonna get over is if people like your personality. like when MBER was here, nobody liked him....cause he was an out of towner, did freights, and had the unfortunate fate of sharing the name of a philly legend, MB....seriously, no one would paint with the guy for a long time..just me and my boys. and that included NECS, who was living in philly at the time. i think only NEMEL, SZ, KEM, AST, ZYRE, SPY, ME, NECS, and DASAR painted with the guy on the regs....everyone else kind of ignored him forever. (and i think we can all agree MBER is fucking incredible)...anyways, it took like 3 years until cats were like "that dude is cool" for him to get accepted. CURVE, i think, people think he's weird or something...and so he's never gonna be accepted by the philly elite...oh well. thats the way 215 do.

 

as for SKYE...its funny...i just bumped into him on TEMPLE's campus yesterday...havent seen him in months. he's one of my favorite writers these days. SKYE DICKO CREAD and BZEE are mad underrated. they all have a really fresh style and are cool as shit. me and NEMEL went on a road trip to VA with skye and bzee and dicko and we had so much fun...the racks are sooooo easy down south...we terrorized the mall in VA beach and filled a trunk with paint from home depot...too easy. we did a highway roof and lots of street bombing and some train spot. i think there was some alcohol involved too, but who can remember such trivial details? i can't say enough about those guys: GREAT PEOPLE..MAAAAD UNDERRATED WRITERS...especially skyeo.

 

JAMESBOMB: yo montreal is fat...i heard curve and esteme painted up there too....we got invited up there and crashed with FLOW like in 98 or 99...i cant remember. COSE and SAIKO put us down with TA cause we did some daytime philly tags and fillins on CLOK's hip-hop-a-shop...those guys were cool as shit. nemel and all them (zyre, necs) went bombing at night, but i had to take my girl out to a nice french dinner on that main street (st laurent, i think?) it was payment for her letting us take her car to canada instead of renting....thats fresh if theres still some tags left. some old french dude grabbed NECS that nite of bombing and necs was drunk like, "owWww!! get offf mee!!" and like shoved the dude...funny shit. also funny about that trip...the piece i painted got in "the Source"....my only graff in the source ever...in an article about Montreal!!? funny....but i love that town...everyone was mad chill and the women are outta control....(although Carabana in TEEDOT was a leeetle biut wilder...sorry!)

 

SPARKIZM: yo, im guessing your wer benching either at queen lane or east falls....(their connected) those superflats are so funny, cause they dont go too far (philly-pittsburgh-chicago, then back) but mad heads in philly paint them cause theyre so easy to paint (totally flat, not hump, no bar, no ridges...) but if all the kids that painted those wouldve painted boxcars, philly would have a little more rep. for instance, NOPE and MEAK have painted some fresh fr8s, but they always paint those damn superflats that almost NO ONE sees....its a shame. trust me, people have tried to explain fr8s to philadelphians, but they dont get them. i know, cause i didnt get them either till i moved to the midwest. philly kids see it as an absolute waste of paint...but if they are gonna do one, god forbid, it sure as hell aint gonna be some car with a ladder, a bar, ridges, etc....they dont understand what travels and what don't. its a shame. only PRE ever really got it...then ME, NECS, MBER (and DASAR to an extent) killed it for a while, then CENSE and KEMOS showe dup and have kept it going. now DEVER is keeping it moving and MOVER and HIGH are too. its a shame philly can't compete on the train scene becasue (*knock on wood*) our spots are still way chill. our peoples from ARIZONA came out recently (APEL ng and FYCE ng, and more recently, 21RAK lies, ng) and theyre always like "this is ridiculous easy!" no helicopters, no barbed wire, hell no fences. its crazy un-taken advantaged of. but shit....the west coast may have rugged fr8 lay-ups...but they dont have tunnels, rooftops , or bus rhoutes like we got.....cant front on that.

 

peace.....

 

(damn, long winded....)

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Guest Dusty Lipschitz

damn nise

we gotta meet up

i gotta pick your brain

gotta learn more...

 

every morning i see that curve throwie way up high, right across from city hall. same building as AGUA and KEM and am stupified. i usually dont even think im worthy of "graffiti wroter" status watching people like CURVE, KEMOS, ENEM, AGUA, CENSE, CREAD, CAEM, CREEP etc. etc. etc...im not a real social guy, so i havent and dont try to meet alot of writers. if i bump into them or are introduced and they seem like good people... coolio. but im not really a networking kinda guy. anyways, i have ran into CURVE a few times and he always seemed really down to earth and friendly to me. he was walking around a writers meeting with a book just saying "yo. whats up? im CURVE. you wanna hit my book up?" not alot of ego. after nearly everyone broke, a few of us sat in the rain just shootin the shit. DET's got some stories about crazy ass AGUA, lol... like i said, i dont know alot of heads, but i know the ones i see. in NE its all NEP cats, but downtown, the "out of towners" have it locked (read:MSP).

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Guest Good Morning Captain

hating haters hating on haters

 

If I was curve I would take all the hate and attention as a compliment. Alot of philly writters hate on out of towners and people who are actually putting in work because alot of them are narrow minded jealous toys.

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those superflats are so funny, cause they dont go too far (philly-pittsburgh-chicago, then back) but mad heads in philly paint them cause theyre so easy to paint (totally flat, not hump, no bar, no ridges...) but if all the kids that painted those wouldve painted boxcars, philly would have a little more rep. for instance, NOPE and MEAK have painted some fresh fr8s, but they always paint those damn superflats that almost NO ONE sees....its a shame. trust me, people have tried to explain fr8s to philadelphians, but they dont get them. i know, cause i didnt get them either till i moved to the midwest. philly kids see it as an absolute waste of paint...but if they are gonna do one, god forbid, it sure as hell aint gonna be some car with a ladder, a bar, ridges, etc....they dont understand what travels and what don't. its a shame.
so true.

Alot of philly writters hate on out of towners and people who are actually putting in work because alot of them are narrow minded jealous toys.
even more true
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Originally posted by sparkizm

oh yeah youngbull seza he killed the yard...

 

No he heated up the yard even more than it already was, but I sweatin it.

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that first one on the second page is that saga and gage up there.and the 4play he used to wreck shit. I remember walking in wp and seeing 4play like every 3 feet just getting dirty and riping shit. Also cat if anyone has cat pictures . he used tio go ballistic on blocks.

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THE KING OF HELL is amazed at how much more amazing this post got. WE also are happy good ol' RATE got included. RATE has fans in scary places.......

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hmmm...not much more after a weekend...i guess we were all out. i love the 4PLAY...he's another great underrated writer..just like RUTA.

someone mentioned CAT....CRAZYCAT is insane....ive seen that guy do tags on the ENTIRE side of mini-vans....and not liek whitetruck delivery vans...im talking about like a passenger, family owned mini-van!!!! how ill is that? to wake up in the morning to take your kids to school, and theres an enitre philly tallprint covering your entire van. CAT is nuts. TERROR (TR) is underrated too. kiw in genereal is ill.

 

fox mulder: you got flix of that roof? that shit was pretty good, i think...except half of us were on shrooms...i think nemel scribbled over his won shit that night..he was bugging out....thats fresh some of those tags are still running...va is hot, man...id love to chill down there.....post that roof if you get chance..ive never seen it...we lef tthe next day and never got flicks.

 

whoever said theres a saga flick on here, i dont see it.....but, while hes mentioned, SAGA is busting out HARD in center city....hes got so many hot ass spots now its ridiculous....the lenghts you have to go to circumvent the buff is crazy, but hes taking them...hes been catching paint tags all around centercity and uptown....like the one at 16th and chestnut, he climbed a phone booth, then someother ledge and copped a silver tag above the arcade....its hot as shit, and unlikely to get buffed.....right now hes got like 20 spots like this all over centercity philly.....

 

dusty: yo, im sure we'll cross paths sooner or later...prolly at 700 club or something....peace.

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the second print aint very good.but the first one next 2 tramp is one of the better ons from that year.its cool its just there are some fucking kings being discused here. second os1 is not a crue anymore.step stabbed someone and is a jerk.he stabbed some one in the back and should be in jail.this is my best friend,we did

the majority of our painting together.did alot of dirt together.beat peoples ass,walked sick routes,like the one on c st.when shots rung out and interupted the quit night air.ran and ducked.fucked with them.made walls a joke.we just had fun ya know.laughing at you not with you.type shit.god bless you my nigga but ya snapped like a rubber band.

second i never claimed to be from philly.i hail from cincy and will punch you in the fuckin teeth.

this was a good thread over all.for sure.thanks for my respect.

its funny that you seen my shit in the apple nise.did a few little missions up der but nothing like the fuckin locals.god bless em.we were up there with caem,ecks,ced.kings nigga we ate it up,trying to take it all in.stayin in the trump over looking the park,with famous peoples children.its like a movie every time we go.

nobody gives a fuck.we were filming kmd do grates at like ten oclock.nobody gave a shit.its just part of the culture there.

philly kids dont paint like that.our prints are sacred.its so ill.in each respect.a wall coverd in wikets or tall prints is one of the best looking things being done in graffiti.but nyc kills with letters,much respect due.

god bless the u.s.

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Yo, I gotta bump this one. A hot wicket takes so much skill. Doin it in a book is one thing but on the streets is another. As much as I've seen (and I been around) some hands got it and some don't. I'd like to break this down into parts of philly but I don't have much time on my hands right now. A hand isn't all that easy to develop right away. Lotsa people go right out with the pieces/throwies when they start if they don't got a good hand. There are still some people who don't know what the hand is all about either. It's just that they don't understand the point of a tag or they figure it is too "snazzy" or too "plain" You have to appreciate how it all started as well. Not many busted out a with a crazy piece right away, which could happen nowadays. I didn't really understand the hand at first but after realizing what's being done with it and what can be done with it, I learned to appreciate it more than I did. That's just me though. I think that there's a certain place for a tag and a certain place for something else. I guess you just gotta feel it....I'd talk a little more on the topic but I gotta run to lab... Peace for now. :king:

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yo zem.....yeah i got lots of your shit flicked....i love all philly graff, bro, i dont discrimi-hate...i may roll with a lot of haters, but thats them, not me....i think everyone from philly is a hater basically...ive heard dudes that are best boys be like "his hand is soo weak" behind their back...philly writers can be defined by one word in my mind: BITTER. i spent 4 years not in philly, and they were the funnest years of graff for me...but on the other hand, those were also the weakest years of graff too, cause after you grow up and see a full-out tallprint wicket on the way to school, with an ill punch line....(like the ENAME TOP "i remain at the TOP like the sun..." on woodland ave, coming from my grandmas house..) after you see that shit, and understand how many years of history, practice, style, balls, wit, and bravado go into that shit, its REAAAAL hard to get excited by these kids around the country that paint like gobbledy-gook letters that arent even letterforms, and they have like mad fr8 rep, but dont even know how to do a straight-letter, or dont have but one handstyle....its real hard not to be like "do yall understand the culture i was raised in?!?!?!" seriously, philadelphia, if you really, REALLY get schooled on it, is the most beautiful graffiti on the planet....it makes the tribal gear/scribble jam cookie-cutter grafffiti seem so fad-like and so, well, shallow, i guess. and really white -washed i might add (i think philly is the only city left on the palnet where there's still 10X as amny black writers as white kids!)....but anyway, my point is, at some point you gotta decide whats more important, being bitter about how underrated philly is, and hating on everyone else, or learning to keep our love for philly to ourselves, and appreciate the rest of the country's steez for what it is.....i took the latter choice, and made mad friends around the country...kids are really more recpetive to philly graff than i thought (although, as on this thread you still have some tribal gear/raver/emo (you pick!) kids that have the audacity to hate on the culture that BEGAT what they do now!!) AND theres alot of good in other cities scenes....like BUDA in pittsburgh (spraycan art) REN in toronto, NYC fill-ins, SF hands, etc....philly is great, but theres more out there, you know?

 

so...bottom line...i keep tabs on everyone in philly....you and step, especially cause you guys ventured to bomb out near my way (the west philly suburbs...blue rhoute, etc..) but ive got flicks of lots of stuff, you guys did...all the way up in lansdale, poles near the zoo (just buffed last week), betsy ross bridge area, tacony-palmyra bridge area, swp.....i keep tabs bro...its a shame yall are beefin, you put in some good work. much respect, fuck all the haters.....same goes with GAGE (whos on here sometimes) i got mad gage flicks, and his old boy HEMP...hemp had some fat spots near Yeadon, where i grew up....and near all my old racks in clifton heights, etc....plus i think GAGE was cool with FIVEO who got up in my book alot back in the old trocadero HC days...the "stackhouse days" as my peoples would call them....i got love for almost every writer in philly...even the cats that x-ed me when i was outtastate...its all love. philly is too great to be petty about...one love to er'body....haha.

 

as for the philly "fill-ins" request, there isnt really a throwup culture in philly, but the i2i kids (DANE CLAD MESK) did have a style that we kinda called a dane-style (rip)...we repped it hard in like 97-98 (i had a really fat roof on 63rd and market with one until the buff came thru!!) its kind of like a simple bubble letter style, but its all gotta have the same tear-drop kinda shape...the really distinct feature is that every "E" has to have a "lazy-eye_ for the dot of the "e"....NOPE taught NEMEL these, NEMEL taught me...MEAK does them, LIQUID does them, KEM does em, DANE did em best...if any knows what im talkin about AND can post some, do me the favor....

 

peace.

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