Jump to content

.the Republican National Convention thread.


Poop Man Bob

Recommended Posts

This forum is supported by the 12ozProphet Shop, so go buy a shirt and help support!
This forum is brought to you by the 12ozProphet Shop.
This forum is brought to you by the 12oz Shop.
  • Replies 231
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Nekro

 

That was a good article, and actually, I do not disagree with his basic premise---tax cuts are a device to reduce the power and scope of Government. Since the government must be downsized, all the people on the sugar tit that have been used to getting money extorted from the wealthy given to them by government programs are going to be very unhappy that they will soon be on their own. I'd be very happy to completely pay my own way in this world, if the government would kindly get it's hand out of my pocket.

 

I don't see Sweden as any paradise, with it's 52% tax rate. I am disheartened by the social changes occurring there. Eventually, I think marriage and the traditional family will all but disappear in Sweden. Too bad for them. As they become weaker and weaker; hungrier, more aggressive cultures are beginning to intrude into Swedish life. Won't be too much longer before Swedish culture will be irreversably dominated, but that's the way of the world I guess. It's happening here too. Fifty years from now, the U.S. will probably be an anarchic, ghettofied hellhole with strongly fortified enclaves of normalcy here and there, but what the fuck, we brought it on ourselves by just caving in on the culture war. I figure that with 70-plus percent of African-American kids born out of wedlock, soon marriage and family will be pretty much history among a large portion of minority people and poor whites. Every bit of this can be laid at the feet of social welfare "reforms" that discourage men from taking care of their own family and living the responsible life of an adult man, instead of the life of an adolescent boy "playa."

 

Slavery couldn't do this. Jim Crow couldn't do this. The poverty of the Great Depression couldn't do this. The black family and the black church weathered the worst shit circumstances had to offer. But along comes AFDC and welfare, and now black children are growing up without a Daddy all over the whole country. WHAT A FUCKING MONSTER LIBERALISM HAS PRODUCED. No Dad= no discipline, no protection, no self respect, no trust, no faith. No Dad= gangbanging and drugs, low self esteem and no hope for the future. Black children fared better under segregation. At least their parents loved and protected them from all the shitheels of the world. Now poverty and "prejudice" has been reduced, but at the cost of a loving, healthy family life. What a lousy exchange for the kids.

 

Going back to the way things were before the New Deal doesn't sound too bad. We're on our own, and always have been, so one should probably prepare to take care of oneself and one's family. It's not anybody's job to do that but our own. Doing so would be a shitload easier if we could get government OFF OUR BACKS. The rich are rich---so what? Good for them. You want to be rich? Best get to work on it, because the government is not going to do a fucking thing for you, and the rich folks do not owe you a damned thing. Every advance you make in your life is completely and totally up to you, personally. To tell people that the government has the responsibility to take care of them is a lie and is harmful to society. YOU must take care of YOURSELF. Nobody owes you anything, so dump the feeling of entitlement.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

you know what, the way i look at it, it dont matter if 65% or even 75% of the people vote for Kerry, he wont win.

al gore won in florida, he had the most amount of votes, but he lost.

what do u think is going to be any difference, american politics have changed from the person with the most amount of votes actually winning, to whoever has the least amount of votes winning by going through the court systems. either way i predict another four long, long years of bush

goddamnit

but thats just the way i see it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Nekro

 

Originally posted by KaBar2

I don't see Sweden as any paradise, with it's 52% tax rate. I am disheartened by the social changes occurring there. Eventually, I think marriage and the traditional family will all but disappear in Sweden. Too bad for them. As they become weaker and weaker; hungrier, more aggressive cultures are beginning to intrude into Swedish life. Won't be too much longer before Swedish culture will be irreversably dominated, but that's the way of the world I guess. It's happening here too. Fifty years from now, the U.S. will probably be an anarchic, ghettofied hellhole with strongly fortified enclaves of normalcy here and there, but what the fuck, we brought it on ourselves by just caving in on the culture war. I figure that with 70-plus percent of African-American kids born out of wedlock, soon marriage and family will be pretty much history among a large portion of minority people and poor whites. Every bit of this can be laid at the feet of social welfare "reforms" that discourage men from taking care of their own family and living the responsible life of an adult man, instead of the life of an adolescent boy "playa."

 

one can argue the same thing from the opposite standpoint. i.e., it's the fact we're now impoverishing these social programs that will result in an "anarchic, ghettofied hellhole with strongly fortified enclaves of normalcy here and there."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Nekro

 

Originally posted by KaBar2

That was a good article, and actually, I do not disagree with his basic premise---tax cuts are a device to reduce the power and scope of Government. Since the government must be downsized, all the people on the sugar tit that have been used to getting money extorted from the wealthy given to them by government programs are going to be very unhappy that they will soon be on their own. I'd be very happy to completely pay my own way in this world, if the government would kindly get it's hand out of my pocket.

 

I don't see Sweden as any paradise, with it's 52% tax rate. I am disheartened by the social changes occurring there. Eventually, I think marriage and the traditional family will all but disappear in Sweden. Too bad for them. As they become weaker and weaker; hungrier, more aggressive cultures are beginning to intrude into Swedish life. Won't be too much longer before Swedish culture will be irreversably dominated, but that's the way of the world I guess. It's happening here too. Fifty years from now, the U.S. will probably be an anarchic, ghettofied hellhole with strongly fortified enclaves of normalcy here and there, but what the fuck, we brought it on ourselves by just caving in on the culture war. I figure that with 70-plus percent of African-American kids born out of wedlock, soon marriage and family will be pretty much history among a large portion of minority people and poor whites. Every bit of this can be laid at the feet of social welfare "reforms" that discourage men from taking care of their own family and living the responsible life of an adult man, instead of the life of an adolescent boy "playa."

 

Slavery couldn't do this. Jim Crow couldn't do this. The poverty of the Great Depression couldn't do this. The black family and the black church weathered the worst shit circumstances had to offer. But along comes AFDC and welfare, and now black children are growing up without a Daddy all over the whole country. WHAT A FUCKING MONSTER LIBERALISM HAS PRODUCED. No Dad= no discipline, no protection, no self respect, no trust, no faith. No Dad= gangbanging and drugs, low self esteem and no hope for the future. Black children fared better under segregation. At least their parents loved and protected them from all the shitheels of the world. Now poverty and "prejudice" has been reduced, but at the cost of a loving, healthy family life. What a lousy exchange for the kids.

 

Going back to the way things were before the New Deal doesn't sound too bad. We're on our own, and always have been, so one should probably prepare to take care of oneself and one's family. It's not anybody's job to do that but our own. Doing so would be a shitload easier if we could get government OFF OUR BACKS. The rich are rich---so what? Good for them. You want to be rich? Best get to work on it, because the government is not going to do a fucking thing for you, and the rich folks do not owe you a damned thing. Every advance you make in your life is completely and totally up to you, personally. To tell people that the government has the responsibility to take care of them is a lie and is harmful to society. YOU must take care of YOURSELF. Nobody owes you anything, so dump the feeling of entitlement.

 

Do you like having an army to protect our country? Do you like having roads to drive on? Do you like having public schools for your kids to go to? Do you like having police and firefighters in your town to keep you safe, or would you rather rely on yourself? You need taxes to pay for that stuff.

 

In the past 3.5 years the republicans have created massive new entitlements, a huge budget deficit, and expanded the federal beaurocracy. They're not getting the government "off our backs," whatever that means. The republicans are about keeping themselves in power, even if it means totally abandoning their principles of self-reliance and small government.

 

The republicans are not for small government. You don't massively expand medicare and federal involvement in public schools if you're in favor of self-reliance and small government. They're for financially insolvent big government. The democrats are for actually paying for what the government is spending.

 

On the social issues, I don't see where the republicans are so awesome. I don't see the republicans lining up to repeal no-fault divorce laws, which are the reason the "tradtional family" is in decline. I don't see the republicans lining up to stiffen penalties for deadbeat dads. All I see is some people using the word "values" as a way to make people hate gay people, popular culture, and a woman's right to choose (you can't be pro-life when you support the death penalty).

 

You might want to rethink your views on Sweden. While marriage is certainly in decline there, it doesn't mean that fathers are abandoning their children- couples are simply choosing cohabitation over marriage. This hasn't led to all the young people going into gangbanging and drugs. In fact, it's led to them graduating en masse from their free, publicly funded universities.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by nomadawhat

any word on if their campaign is expecting a boost?

what the pundits are saying is that this should give a slight boost to Bush's poll standings. Take into account that these very same pundits were expecting a considerably high boost for Kerry after the DNC. Why the difference? I recall one writer theorizing that the huge expectant for the Democrats, which infact resulted in a very little boost, was to give a dissapointing outlook on the results of the DNC. If Bush does notibly better than the expected boost, this of course would have the opposite effect than the seemingly "poor" results of the Democratic National Convention.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Right Click, Save As

 

 

that is fucking hilarious, how many times did he actually say sovereignty in that little clip? fucking moron.

 

i can't believe he gained 11 points from that damn convention... i hope all of you (dems) on this board who actually live in america are getting out there and, sorry to sound so cliche but... i hope you're helping to rock the vote. i don't want another four years with this guy...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

obviously this board is comprised of basically one group of people, but i gotta give respect to Kabar2. the man definately has a handle of things. this country is what you make it. your stupid to sit and wait for a hand out. dont bitch about rich people, why dont you actually go to work and work a little harder.

 

a few other points...

one thing i have noticed is after this election, if kerry wins, alot of fucking people are going to be out of jobs making all the anti bush gear. talk about a trend. i wouldnt be surprised if these industries then shift to anti kerry apparel when he flip flops on something and pisses people off.

 

also the latest newsweek poll, puts bush at 52% and kerry at 43% and nader at some insignificant number. but we all know this can/will/probably will change. if anything i have noticed more kerry support, but thats because i live in an overly democratic state.

man i'll be glad when this shit is over. actually what would be cool is to see michael moore start attacking kerry if he gets elected.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

From here on out to the Election, both sides are taking the gloves off

 

Get ready for the mud bath. I predict that both the Republicrats and the Demopublicans will be accusing each other of everything under the sun.

 

Nekro, I don't totally disagree with your objections to the Republican agenda. They are far from perfect, and the same is true for the Democrats. BOTH PARTIES are forced, by political realities, to campaign from the extremes to get elected, and once elected, they are forced to GOVERN FROM THE CENTER. Therefore, the Republicans talk a good conservative game, and then run up a zillion-dollar public deficit. The Democrats, in their turn, talk like Socialists to get elected, and then are forced to back away from their campaign rhetoric because to do otherwise is to drown the baby in Socialist bathwater. Both parties are essentially serving the same people.

 

What has really made a difference in the big picture is PROFOUND CULTURAL CHANGES in basic American values. It's the lack of community in our neighborhoods, the lack of parent-teacher solidarity, the increased drug and alcohol abuse--no not so much the increased use, but the increased popular acceptability of drug and alcohol abuse. At the same time we have increased programs to discourage smoking, we have increased smoking rates among teenagers. At the same time we have a get-tough-on-crime mentality, we have an increase in unethical, criminal behavior at all levels of society, especially iat executive levels of major corporations.

 

These changes have been brought on by attempts to force people to accept social changes that they abhorred. Volatile housing markets were created by forced integration. "White flight" from integrated urban neighborhoods meant suburban real-estate booms. These suburbs were built largely by the same powerful politicians who helped engineer the racial desegregation and school integration. Not only the white population engaged in flight--the middle-class black population eagerly departed from the economically-disadvantaged ghetto neighborhoods to the newly-available homes in formerly all-white neighborhoods, depriving the ghetto neighborhoods of family-owned businesses, church and PTA leadership, community organization participation, and so forth. Those left behind have sunk into a morass of poverty and hopelessness.

 

Where before, the child of addicted parents or under-achieving parents could look around and see black churches thriving, black businesses near his home, black parents raising up wholesome families, today that is largely not the case in urban ghetto neighborhoods. I've been to several black neighborhood here in Houston where EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS OF ANY SCOPE was owned by Koreans or Vietnamese. White businesses will almost never serve majority-black neighborhoods any more, because the crime rate makes it far too dangerous to do so. It seems like the only business owners willing to serve ghetto neighborhoods are newly-immigrated Asians, who are sending their children to college as rapidly as they can do so. They have very strong cultural and family bonds, so they hire only relatives or fellow Asians to work in their stores, which infuriates the local black customers.

 

Where before, there were enterprising BLACK businesses in these neighborhoods, and the neighborhoods were more-or-less "normal", even though they were poor, today these same neighborhoods have a sort of war-zone mentality and atmosphere. I read a thing online written by the current King of Hobos, "Adman" Waters, who said "You can tell when you are riding through a dangerous neighborhood in South Chicago (on a freight train) because you can see the sparkle and twinkle of broken glass everywhere --on rooftops, in the streets, in empty vacant lots. It wasn't like that when I rode here years ago."

 

This is it exactly. Before, people had some pride in their surroundings because the businesses and neighborhoods were owned by local people. Today the residents of the ghetto own virtually nothing, and they feel entitled to be supported. "The world owes me. As long as I gets my check, I don't care what they do." Nobody bothers to sweep up broken glass anymore, apparently. Why should they? Their check arrives, regardless.

 

If you go to the present suburban homes of former ghetto business owners, they are virtually indistinguishable from the homes of their white neighbors. They engaged in "white flight" too, flight to areas where they would not have to put up with "ghetto" behavior from their fellow blacks.

 

The kids I know who are in trouble come from divorced homes where there is no father, whether they are rich or poor. I don't believe that a kid will automatically have trouble if his parents aren't married, but the likelihood that he will is greatly increased unless he has a committed, stable, loving parental relationship with two parents. Whether or not they are married is a lot less important than whether or not they are totally committed to the relationship and the family. If the kid's actual Dad isn't there, he definately needs a father figure that is as committed and loving as his real Dad should have been. The black kids on my unit are bereft of any real love from a father figure, and it is killing them. They are hopeless, helpless, and angry, filled with emotional pain and lashing out blindly at society all around them. This is the price of all of our stupid social engineering that undermines the family with Government "support." We are raising a nation of selfish, self-centered, amoral "playas" and if we don't change it, we are going to lose an entire generation of children.

 

Basic, conservative, family values, which you seem to condemn; are necessary for people to develop into normal, healthy human beings. Family meals; owning books and reading to children; consistant, loving discipline; belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque and attending worship often; having a powerful sense of right and wrong, of appropriate and inappropriate behavior, knowing that one is loved and cherished by one's parents; appreciation for education, learning and knowledge; a sense of patriotism and love of one's country---these things make it possible to be a normal person. Lack of these things means one will grow up stressed and angry and feeling excluded.

 

All of the elements of "thug life" are a virtual blueprint for anti-social, criminal behavior that virtually guarantees one's childhood will be a disaster and one's adulthood a failure. Self-hatred turns into hatred of society, and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of exclusion and alienation.

 

Trying to solve this problem with a Government program is a complete waste of time. It is a problem that will only be solved with a CULTURAL CHANGE among the people themselves. When people cannot stand the negative results of negative choices any longer, then they will choose positive choices.

 

I hope.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good thread! :D

 

What I'm seeing here is a great schism between corporate and people power. As evinced in the 2000 election and perhaps even more strongly so now.

 

Believe it or not there are actually people in government who are doing good things. (I know it's hard to believe) I believe the dichotomy is more emphatic in goverment with those who support environmental programs and those who don't. When I was listening to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on NPR the other day he was talking about how Bush has put into power corporate lobbyists of all stripes into positions where government typically would protect our lands and resources. Not so now. He has outlined on his website www.nrdc.org (Natural Resource Defense Council) over 400 pieces of legislation that Bush has enacted that weaken environmental laws and give corporations more power. He has in fact rolled back 30 years worth of environmental protection legislation. Also one of the major contributors to Bush in 2000 were some 1500 illegal coal burning power plants... which are now of course no longer illegal even though they are the most damaging type of power plants to the environment. Just look at what it's doing to china. Protecting the environment should be a bipartisan issue. Mr. Kennedy is worried that it's being stigmatized as solely the province of the democratic party.

 

John Kerry also has a strong record on the environment. Look it up. He also cares about the troops. He not only supports legislation helping the troops but he wrote it as he said... He cowrote legislation for the montgomery gi bill among other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

 

John Kerry has a clear plan for bolstering the economy. One of his points which is most striking to me is his promise to end tax breaks for our corporations operating overseas. This alone could potentially end sweat shops, and outsourcing. This is only one of many good ideas he has. If he is a man of his word, which his record shows him to be, he cannot possibly be another head of a callous corporate beast. Regardless of whether or not he married into the Hienz family fortune.

 

I agree with much of what Kabar has to say. Though I'm aproaching from another angle to provide some counterpoint. As far as investments. Mutual funds are often stuffed with junk stocks, many are being audited. It seems the safest bet in the stock world but may in fact be the most risky. As far as investment in straight up stocks goes it's not so simple as putting in a couple bucks here and there. Often you are required to buy several bundles of hundreds and if we are talking about the blue chip fortune 500 top dog dow jones bunch we are talking 20-50$ or so dollars per share. So we are talking initial investments of thousands and thousands of dollars. You could always invest in penny stocks, but we should all know that most small businesses fail.

The stock market is mostly down anyways lately.... besides perhaps some pharmacueticals, oil, and defense.

If clinton was president you could almost be garaunteed that 1% increase or so annually that kabar talked about.

 

As for our apocryphal social decline... Yes it is a major problem. I don't think I'd be blaming the hippies though. I don't know any hippies (real hippies) who became dead beat dads.... but then again i don't know many hippies. Fatherless families became a problem since the dawn of the industrial revolution when the nuclear family became fissile missle materiel to fuel the monolithic megacorpomachine. Men left thier farms to work in factories. Away from home, away from families. I would say that this did become exacerbated in the late sixties and seventies and eighties and today by white flight, cocaine, pcp, crack and popular culture fueled by capitalism which basically has been teaching us to be selfish and amoral and desiring of more for ourselves. Ever heard of Arab immigrants getting loans to start businesses in the ghetto? That might have something to do with it as well.

 

Umm... that is all for now. I have pressing matters to attend to.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Forgot to add to my list of problems causing the decline of american society -heroin which is more of a problem in the barrio, and - the decline of real wages since the 1970s ....- an influx of immigrants readily exploited by unabashed corporations... and.... I'm sure there are more.

 

Err... edit* Also forgot to mention good luck in getting any of this stock from these stable, large corporations. Chances are they are all bought up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by Weapon X

villain, I appreciate that you mention environmental concerns in there.

 

I don't have the time now, but I'll make sure to put my 2 cents in. I'll add to your little spiel about bush and the environment, villain.

 

Cool man, cool. Looking forward to it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

it bothers me so much that this information isn't more well-known among the general public. it's so infuriating that an ex-alcoholic/coke-head... who dodged vietnam by 'working' in the texas national guard can not only be our president but can try and discredit john kerry, who whether or not he is a better person or a better man i cannot say, but at least he didn't shirk his duty...

and the people who just blindly vote for bush because he supports the working man or he is the strong one to protect our country... i wish they would just pick up a newspaper, even it's conservative, and just read about bush. i mean, even a conservative newspaper can't cover all this crap bush has even openly admitted... right?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Quiz:

 

1. What was George W. Bush's response when Bob Woodward asked how he thought history would judge the Iraq war?

 

a) "I say that freedom is not America's gift to the world. Freedom is God's gift to everybody in the world. I believe that. As a matter of fact, I was the person that wrote that line, or said it. I didn't write it, I just said it in a speech. And it became part of the jargon."

 

B) "When you're marching to war, it's not a very optimistic thought."

 

c) "You can't see what you think is a threat and hope it goes away. You used to could when the oceans protected us. But the lesson of September the eleventh is, is when the President sees a threat we must deal with it before it comes to fruition, through death, on our own soils, for example."

 

d) "We won't know. We'll all be dead."

 

 

2. How did George W. Bush pronounce the name of Abu Ghraib prison, the site of the abuses that he claimed to have been "disgusted of" and "disgraced about"?

 

a) "Abugah-rayp."

 

B) "Abu-gareff."

 

c) "Abu-garon" and "Abu-garah."

 

d) All of the above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Answers: 1. d) 2. d)

the new yorker

Link to comment
Share on other sites

cmon guys most of these arguments attacking bush are weak at best. my own personal opinion is that john kerry is not the answer. if you dont like bush, fine, but cmon john kerry is worse. you talk about finding out the truth about, why dont you find out the truth about kerry. ask him why he voted 51 out of 55 times against pro gun legislation, yet is PRO GUN. how can Kerry be the answer when he voted for war in iraq, yet voted against aid for the troops. arent most of you concerned about iraq, cmon he voted for it. he destroyed his medals, one or 2 of which were from SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS, flew flags upside down, and yes even is HONORED in ho chi ming city as a great asset leading to the viet cong victory. the dude is a schmuck hands down. but you cannot have conservative values and be "cool" if your under 30... i forgot.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Did you base your decision on who you're going to vote for on a mass e-mail that was forwarded to you from a Republican friend? You've got the talking points down stat.

 

Voted against aid for the troops? He voted against the exact version proposed by the Bushies. What? He didn't support exactly what the Preznit wanted? That's unpatriotic!

 

I'm willing to bet many of those "pro gun" legislation involved cop-killer bullets, less regulated sales of firearms, and allowing semi-automatic weapons to be on the streets.

 

Did Michelle Malkin get ahold of you and show you her proof for Kerry's "self-inflicted" wounds? Stop making shit up.

 

He's honored as the greatest asset to the viet cong victory? Hell, even freerepublic.com articles say no more than his picture is up in a museum in Ho Chi Minh. The rest is all conjecture and opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

Now - tell me, if Kerry is not the answer, how is Bush? What makes you support Bush? Be honest.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest imported_Tesseract
Originally posted by pixie

Quiz:

 

1. What was George W. Bush's response when Bob Woodward asked how he thought history would judge the Iraq war?

 

 

 

d) "We won't know. We'll all be dead."

 

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA, man i hate bush with passion but you gotta give it to the guy, best sense of humour ever

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Did you base your decision on who you're going to vote for on a mass e-mail that was forwarded to you from a Republican friend? You've got the talking points down stat.

 

Voted against aid for the troops? He voted against the exact version proposed by the Bushies. What? He didn't support exactly what the Preznit wanted? That's unpatriotic!

 

I'm willing to bet many of those "pro gun" legislation involved cop-killer bullets, less regulated sales of firearms, and allowing semi-automatic weapons to be on the streets.

 

Did Michelle Malkin get ahold of you and show you her proof for Kerry's "self-inflicted" wounds? Stop making shit up.

 

He's honored as the greatest asset to the viet cong victory? Hell, even freerepublic.com articles say no more than his picture is up in a museum in Ho Chi Minh. The rest is all conjecture and opinion. "

 

cmon poop... do you base your liberalness on the accuracies of Michael Moore?

we all know there is as much truth in what i posted as there is in the truth you believe. politics are politics and take a chill pill man. if you ask me both choices are twits.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...