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Guidelines for saying NO to police searches.


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we are artists.

 

dodge any pig by all means neccessary..

never let anyone of them take you to court.

deny. deny. deny. lie. lie. lie. shut up. shut up. shut up.

 

deny their understanding and make your appeal.

 

and fuck the vandal squad. they're the ones who are criminals.

 

surpass the buff!

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My advice, graff wise, like ^^^ mentioned, a detailed excuse to why you were in a certain area, what you were doing there, where you were coming from, where you are going, etc. is VERY VERY important. If you are not alone, make sure the person/people you are with know the story exactly as you do. It doesn't matter what you were doing, it matters what they think you were doing, and what they can prove. If you provide your answers calm and smoothly, there should be no search. Most times you are stopped the cops don't immediatly suspect you of one certain thing. They ask you questions to raise suspicions about any illegal activity.

The second thing is, always were gloves, and if you have a long sleeve shirt or jacket on, pull the sleeve back slightly when you paint, so no backspray (mist) gets on your clothing (ESPECIALLY SILVER & GOLD PAINT).

Personally, I try to wear one certain color when painting. Not black, it's too suspicious when your dressed in all black at night. Say if I have dark blue jeans on, I'll have a navy shirt. This way, if paint does somehow get on my clothing, I have a similar color paint marker that will cover the more obvious paint marks. Yellow paint drips on blue clothes is quite obviouse, even from 20 feet away. I'd rather have more paraphinelia (the marker) on me than paint drips, I don't know about you.

 

The last thing is, if you have your cans in a bag, make sure you pack them standing upright. If you just throw them in there after painting, your gonna be rattling all the way down the block. If you are stopped by police and they hear that little jingle, it's more than likely your getting searched. That may even hold up in court as probable cause.

 

Basicly, if you do things the right way, you'll be able to say no. You don't have much say once probable cause steps in. And it's very easy for that to happen. Even if the officer doesn't actually have any, they can just say, "He had a strong scent of marijuana on him" or "He had that 1000 mile stare, his eyes were glossy and red, and appeared to be intoxicated/high/whatever". Things like this actually hold up in court, but are hard to disprove, because it's the arresting officers view of how it happened. And things like the scent of weed on you/your car are temporary, and hard to disprove without directly calling the officer a lyer (trying to accuse an officer of outright lying in court, is NOT the best idea. The judge will flip that around on you quick.)

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Originally posted by Kablam!@Oct 11 2004, 09:42 PM

What if I use a pair of normal like,wool gloves or whatever, and then wash them after painting. will that work just as well as latex gloves?

no. paint leaks through the gloves. i rock the cotton gloves sometimes, but my pair are stiff from all the paint thats gotten onto them.

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Originally posted by Chance Em Redy@Oct 12 2004, 03:45 AM

I dont know about using latex gloves. I read somewhere those things can give you some kind of latex allergic reaction after prolonged use.

 

So i just dont use gloves.

 

 

you have the highest possibility of developing a latex reaction with the powdered gloves.. avoid them altogether...they're bad news... the powder in them increases the amount of latex entering the blood stream... basically your sweaty hands are breaking down the latex and it's absorbing into your skin.. thus entering the blood stream... and after prolonged exposure to such conditions, your skin starts to dry out, develop sores, break open and bleed...if you are using powderless and changing them often, you should be in the clear.. but keep in mind petroleum based products (pretty much all paints) break down the latex in the gloves, making them porous... and with small amounts of petroleum.. you're lookin at around a 4 minute breakdown... but we don't need to get into all that... chances are, if you're only using latex gloves for goin out painting, you should be in the clear.. unless you paint 24/7... which i seriously doubt... but if you really do have a serious concern, or already do have a reaction to natural rubber latex, you can use synthetic rubber gloves such as nitrile, or neoprene.... but all this shit is mostly for medical professions and tattoo/piercing artists... and can also be very expensive... you'd probably be alright using those huge vinyl gloves they use for making sandwiches... anyway.. hope that clears it up a bit for you..

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Originally posted by yeaaaah baby+Oct 31 2004, 09:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yeaaaah baby - Oct 31 2004, 09:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Kablam!@Oct 11 2004, 09:42 PM

What if I use a pair of normal like,wool gloves or whatever, and then wash them after painting. will that work just as well as latex gloves?

no. paint leaks through the gloves. i rock the cotton gloves sometimes, but my pair are stiff from all the paint thats gotten onto them.

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my can of rustoleum silver just went buck wild yesterday! my gloves are pure silver now....time to rack some more (tent steez yeaaahh baby)

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i dont know if this happens in other states but i am in colorado and recently one of my friends go busted for just having a marker on him. over here they call it "graffiti tools" and he go 100 hours of buffing, 500$ fine and probation (i think)

the law here states that it is illegal for any minor to have any permanent marker with a tip over 3/8 inch wide, can anybody tell me if they got wack laws like that where u live?

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i was arrested painting trains a few months ago and have not yet finished court.

 

a couple weeks ago i was benching in the a close by area where i was arrested and a cop happend to pass by on a near by road and i thought it would have been alright since i was just 'walking the tracks' and the police turned around and came back.. it was a female and a male.. there was a slight distance and the guy said 'hows it goin?' i replied you know whatever.. then as i got closer i realized it was the same cop who had arrested me.. and shortly after asking for my ID he said 'dont i know you from somewhere?' and i said 'yeah you arrested me for graffiti on some trains a couple months ago..'

 

boy was he pissed.. but i cooperated (for the most part) when i got arrested and so he didnt charge me with anything.. he tried looking at my camera but it was a snapshot (not digital, thank god i had some flicks from graffiti the night before on my digi).. basically we respected each other and he ended up letting me take off and everything was fine... so i guess cooperating and showing respect for the police will make you have a better interaction with them the next time they stop you.. HA!... unless it makes them hate you more for not learning the first time.. haha whatever.. but basically i know about those tricks described in the first post and i agree to most of that stuff even though i didnt think of any of it at the time..

 

 

 

just a quick pointless lame story....

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i allowed the police to search my car one time because i didnt have any contraband, I was late to class, and they said that if i didnt consent they would have to call in for a canine. After the search my car wouldnt start. The officer did'nt find anything and jumped my car but the disconnection caused my car stereo to go into theft protection mode. I had to go to the honda dealership so they could remove the radio, get the code off the back, and call it in for my radio to work again. That shit cost me almost a hundred dollars plus 4 point violation for speeding, a big ass fine, my insurance went way up. For some reason 3 state cops showed up, i was mad cooperative. From now on i will absolutely deny a search because if the cops fuck your property up there is little you can do to recover your losses. I called the department and talked with the chief. I was like dog your officer fuct my car up and he tried to tell me that it was my battery. And i was like the battery is less than a month old. And he was like...i'm the law and you are the law breaker and what i say goes and i say my officer didnt cause your car to die and it was pretty much futile from there on.

 

The best thing you can do is invent your own language. Just start talking in jibberish. In the midst of your banter make it clear that no means no. The only English word you Control is NO and control that shit like your freedom depends on it. Maybe throw in a couple random words

 

oobda cadatoopter cardboard ipstain NO NO NO sassa frizzafraz ooplop hibbidy Snoop Dogg hoopsady NO. NO NO NO zoppity blubla a frizza fraz NO rooperty roop rop Falafel dippity do da NO. oopster gibso obston oner dishwasher.

 

Politely and calmly tell the officer to gooperdoop your vindoodle. If all else fails start pole dancing the nearest tree, shake it like a salt shaker. hump the ground Do what ever it takes to divert his attention from that midget sex slave you have tied up in your trunk. Or that dime of funk you absent mindedly neglected to eat. If you do good enough you may be able to plead insanity. You know... pick your nose and wipe it on the squad car or eat it, defecate yourself. Talk in your made up language to a rock. a stick or what ever you can find on the ground, Lick the ground, chew your tounge until blood stains the front of your shirt. pull your hair out.

 

Hope and Pray that the videocamera in the squad car isnt recording your behavior because you know that shit would end up on Television sooner or later. Then you have to explain yourself to your Family, employer, girlfriend, or what ever the hell you got.

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this ought to be a sticky

 

dumb story: asleep in a parked van in a state forest. The cops asked for all of our identification, and for some reason no one mentioned the guy asleep in the backseat. They intimidated us into consenting to a search and when they found the guy in the backseat they flipped out. What are the rules regarding searching someone when the person is trespassing?

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...tresspasssing is a weird law...basically you're only tresspassin if the person that owns the property says you are...but late at night, or any other suspicious behavior will warrant enough reasonable cause for the police to search you wether you consent or not...the over-riding rule of thumb is 'deny everything' and if you can't think of an excuse, just shut up and don't say anything...the nice thing about tresspassin is that if you can convinve the property owner to drop the charges you're completey free...

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Yeah cops aren't any more intelligent than the average person. Like proph said have a good story that makes sense. I was out painting with one of my boys and we were next to a dumpster. We had fresh tags all around us, paint a few feet from us and shit was looking grim. The cop asked what we were doing there and my boy piped up and said "We are looking for cardboard in this dumpster for a school project." At that point it doesnt really matter where you are coming from or where you are going.

 

Keep your shit simple and to the point. Dont be shakey. After all, you aren't doing anything wrong.

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if you get arrested/stopped try to stay infront of the car while being searched and questioned as much as possible *if the lights are on*

as long as the cars siren lights are on the dash camera is on

the only way to turn them off is to turn off the red and blues

if your stupid and say dumb shit it'll incriminate you

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if your smart you'll deny everything and have a story ready and make sure everyone your with has the same story

bc the mic and camera will discredit anything the cop may lie about or exandurate

the cops know these things but generally assume we dont

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i was told that it is not illeagle for a minor to be carrying spray paint..just illeagle if its being used to deface property..what would i do if the cop does endd up searching me and finding the cans

 

 

its illegal to hold cans in alot of places if your under eighteen.and even if it isnt it's definitely gonna get you detained.

 

 

 

 

best advice i can give anyone is to not talk to cops.dont try to lie and cover shit up.if you know your in the wrong just stfu.you should NEVER consent to a police search.unfortunately alot of cops dont respect your right to not consent and will just search your ass anyways.this has always been mine and all of my close friends experience...

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