Fabo 2 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I just watched this. one question: so in the flogging scene we see the physical embodiment of lucifer holding a pale white, ugly baby. What's that meant to represent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze One Million Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 i dont recall seeing that specifically, but im sure it represents something religous of some sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaCosaNostra Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I never saw the movie, but my friend downloaded it, and paused it at that part for me. It's really creepy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T=E=A=S=E Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 WHAT IF GOD WAS ONE OF US!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Priest Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 didnt see it, couldnt tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarzAbove Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I havn't seen the movie either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr430n5_666 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 jshfdosiawryy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Originally posted by can of worms I just watched this. one question: so in the flogging scene we see the physical embodiment of lucifer holding a pale white, ugly baby. What's that meant to represent? i havent seen the film, but it could represent Lucifer becoming ready to attempt to take jesus (possibly the baby?) to hell when he dies. maybe the flogging is also representing jesus's struggles through his life - the torture etc and this is a dark time. a hellish time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunm Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I have no interest in that movie...my faith was transformed into vulgar entertainment for the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_YEAHMANWORD Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Originally posted by Daze One Million i dont recall seeing that specifically, but im sure it represents something religous of some sort well fucking put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Peanut Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 just a stranger on the bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 anybody ever think maby he just happend to get into the shot... like he was not really suppose to be there but showed up and he burned his image into the film so they were not able to edit him out. i think im sleepy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gooch Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/pictures/omen3/omen310.jpg'> Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/popesata.jpg'> http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/popecnn.jpg'> http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/antipope.jpg'> And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. {15} Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gooch Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 those last 3 images i posted really bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sect one Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The way I interpreted it was that was the devil inside of Christ. That is the reason no one else saw him. He was there to tempt Christ in his hardships. I argued this with someone aroudn the time the movie was released so I don't remember too well, but that's how i saw it maybe i'll go into more detail later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze One Million Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 someone find a screenshot of this on the internet and post it up, i wanna see what this talk is about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gooch Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 the baby could be the devil's way of mocking christ's birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabo 2 Posted June 21, 2004 Author Share Posted June 21, 2004 Originally posted by sect one The way I interpreted it was that was the devil inside of Christ. That is the reason no one else saw him. He was there to tempt Christ in his hardships. I argued this with someone aroudn the time the movie was released so I don't remember too well, but that's how i saw it maybe i'll go into more detail later. I think that's meant to be the general idea, but mary can see lucifer in the crowd, so it's not just jesus that can see him . the little fucked up baby lucifer holds was the only thing that I had no idea what it was meant to represent. Possibly it's mocking christ, or a symbol of the antichrist, but I don't know so this is all speculation. Anyway if someone can actually answer my question 'twould be most helpfull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S@T@N Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 The death of Christ was going to be the ultimate triumph for Satan. Not only had he turned against god and amassed his own army, but now, god's own son was going to be killed because of a betrayal that Satan himself had facilitated. The world was falling into place just as Satan had wanted it to... he was nurturing the festering pile of shit almost like a child. The baby, then, would represent the world that Be'alzebub was building up. This would explain why the devil got as pissed as he did as soon as Jesus said the words "It is done." Only at that moment did he realize that all he worked to create was falling apart before his eyes, as Jesus' ransom blood spilled and washed away the sins of man. His baby was dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrIot Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 i think the baby lucifer was holding was us children of sin....and remember how the movie had demons throughout it that died or went away every time one of the desciples died every time that jesus was close to dying the devil was there trying to persuade him to go with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/200..._up_with_t.html "Again," said Gibson, "it's evil distorting what's good. What is more tender and beautiful than a mother and a child? So the Devil takes that and distorts it just a little bit. Instead of a normal mother and child you have an androgynous figure holding a 40-year-old 'baby' with hair on his back. It is weird, it is shocking, it's almost too much—just like turning Jesus over to continue scourging him on his chest is shocking and almost too much, which is the exact moment when this appearance of the Devil and the baby takes place." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeforAnEYE Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Originally posted by T=E=A=S=E WHAT IF GOD WAS ONE OF US!!! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S@T@N Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Originally posted by KING BLING http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/200..._up_with_t.html Go fucking figure that Gibson's own explanation of the baby is the most retarded explanation ever. Symbolism is only defined as being what the artist intends you to see, so... awesome now I feel retarded for my interpretation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblersGrin Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 http://www.lileks.com/institute/biglittle/ghost3.jpg'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Its funny how S@T@N gave such a good answer. An inside scoop perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClueTwo Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Originally posted by Daze One Million i dont recall seeing that specifically, but im sure it represents something religous of some sort No offense man, but this reply reminds of the fucker yesterday at Home Depot..I went and bought a new barbeque with an empty propane tank. Well Iasked the employee if there was somewhere close, and he responded, "Yeah, somewhere that fills propane."..That's like asking for milk and him saying,"yeah somewhere that has a cow." No fuckin shit it was religously symbolic, the whole fuckin movie was about Christ..Thanks, but no thanks.. Sorry, I had to get that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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