Some pretty interesting commentary from the Canadians...

[Pistol]

We talked about this in classes today in my Cultural Geography and Logic classes.

So True

[Guest sTress]

This journalist is wrong

What the US have done in the past was pure economic interest, which was transformed into generosity by the media (propaganda?). Heres a ruff example: they fed starving populations such as japaneses or vietnameses with hamburgers and not with rice in order to sell more american food in asia in the future.

Thats a long-term economic strategy point blank.

[Guest dukeofyork]

grrr...fuck all the anti-american bastards on this board. for our being a capitalist country we deserve to die huh? how about we overthrow our government and put in a communist or socialist government instead? so they can rule over us with an iron fist. then you pussies would never say shit about our government not being fair. if it werent for the rights given to us in the constitution you assholes would already be dead for opposing the government. think about it for a few.

[bobobi11]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

when did i bitch about the us?, can anyone on this site read?.....

 

 

When you accused us of only being able to admit to the good things we had done and not the bad.

 

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

fuck,i only want you to look throgh the eyes of the wartorn countries....

 

I think the US now qualifies as a wartorn country

 

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

and still say "yeah lets go to war" or maybe you dont mind war as long as your safe to go to the library,mall,grocery store,school etc. and if that is the case then you are pussy cowards and you all deserve to die...

 

We are trying to sort out whether we want to go to war.

 

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

i have never had anything against the states,i do however have a major problem with cowardly iggnorant fools like the ones posting on this site "lets gettem back!" you want to hurt children and women and innocent civilians like the TERRORISTS(not civilians or a certain country) did than your just weak and i hope you know exactly what youd be putting people through.

 

I have never taken a stand for or against whether we should go to war. I don't have enough information yet to make that decision and frankly I AM glad that it is not my decision to make. Frankly I believe we do need to reinstate our countries ability to participate in assasinations so that we can take care of threats such a Bin Laden before our buildings get blown up. As for innocent women and children, check out the passenger lists they have released so far. I remember seeing the name of a four year old girl and a seven year old girl after that and all the other victims I couldn't read through the tears in my eyes.

 

Just curious, exactly what country are you from?

 

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by bobobi11 (edited 09-12-2001).]

[Guest SPLINTER]

all that IS DEFINATELY TRUE yet open up your mind and see the other side, maybe were too nice, i was once too nice and i got stomped on for it, maybe we shouldnt be so nice and then we wouldnt get fucked so easily.

 

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"Babylon throne gone down" -Rastaman

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:

grrr...fuck all the anti-american bastards on this board. for our being a capitalist country we deserve to die huh? how about we overthrow our government and put in a communist or socialist government instead? so they can rule over us with an iron fist. then you pussies would never say shit about our government not being fair. if it werent for the rights given to us in the constitution you assholes would already be dead for opposing the government. think about it for a few.

 

i know your not talking about me right?cause if you are,after all my posts explaining what i was saying,that would make you an idiot.

 

as for being a pussy,me.no my feeble minded friend a pussy would have agreed with every shoot em up asshole on this board to avoid an argument.

 

and unlike you i will never bend down and take it up the ass,because i was too scared to stand up and fight for what i belive in.like ive said in other posts i would die to defend my anti-war belifes,my religion family and friends if it could spare a life.

 

i didnt say you deserved to die because you were part of a capitalist country,i said anyone who could kill a child,woman or innocent person for revenge or any reason,is a cowardly pile of shit whether your american brazilian turkish iranian or canadian,if thats you you dont deserve the presious breaths your breathing now.

 

please dont respond if your not reading what im writing.

[Guest Mr.Raven]

Originally posted by sTress:

This journalist is wrong

What the US have done in the past was pure economic interest, which was transformed into generosity by the media (propaganda?). Heres a ruff example: they fed starving populations such as japaneses or vietnameses with hamburgers and not with rice in order to sell more american food in asia in the future.

Thats a long-term economic strategy point blank.

 

 

This sounds like a far stretch. I'd like to see this statement backed up since for starters, the US government generally has far more ambitious plans and interests than selling happy meals in south west asia. Further, at best, a plan like this wouldnt even scratch the surface of affecting any type of socio-economic change. I doubt the beef industry had (or ever will have) the type of lobbying power required to ever pull of such a stunt which would be about the only way the US government could ever profit from such a situation.

[Lush]

Originally posted by bobobi11:

I think the US now qualifies as a wartorn country

 

Not even close. I have a guy in my photography class from Iraq. He lived there up untill a few years ago, and expreienced the 8 year war. Check out this link, and then tell me if you still consider the states a war torn country. Talk to me about it when the army has to pay 37 dollars for each head of lettuce it gives one of it's soldiers, and when there's a trade imbargo blocking the import of essential supplies into the country.

http://www.iacenter.org/updatimp.htm

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by Lush (edited 09-12-2001).]

[Smart]

I've read it C4, strange name for a pacifist, perhaps coincidental, I think you're foolish, and wrong, and even more so, insolent, arrogant and rude, preaching nonviolence to the shell shocked masses from your high horse isn't going to win you any support and even the simple act of telling the Americans how you, as a foreigner think we, as a country, should listen to you deride us and our natural and understandable reactions?

 

I think the indigenous American moderator, along with some others, including a few enlightened Canuks, have done a pretty good job of shouting down the idiotic saber rattlers, we don't want or need your brand of help...

 

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[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by bobobi11:

I don't have enough information yet to make that decision and frankly I AM glad that it is not my decision to make. Frankly I believe we do need to reinstate our countries ability to participate in assasinations so that we can take care of threats such a Bin Laden before our buildings get blown up. As for innocent women and children, check out the passenger lists they have released so far. I remember seeing the name of a four year old girl and a seven year old girl after that and all the other victims I couldn't read through the tears in my eyes.

 

Just curious, exactly what country are you from?

 

 

[This message has been edited by bobobi11 (edited 09-12-2001).]

 

CANADA!,your acting as if im defending the terrorists and ive mentioned that a number of times IM NOT! i didnt say let it go your an idiot if you think i did who ever did this should be held responsible for what happened[remember they only have susspects now],but i dont think that persons in other countries are worth less than americans,therefore are desposible and can be killed for revenge like you seem to belive and for that i can tell alot about you-youre probably the type to rat out your friends so you wouldnt be charged alone if faced with charges,youd probably never think twice about hurting a child or woman,youre opinions have been made for you by others,and you dont read.and NO AMERICA IS NOT A WARTORN COUNTRY if you would look at images from the mid east you would see a wartorn country,and it doesnt look any thing like the skyscrapers and freedom of america.as for innocent women and children-do you think their deaths are justifiable reasons to kill other innocent men women and children?ill end with your own words:

 

you don't have enough information.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Smart:

I've read it C4, strange name for a pacifist, perhaps coincidental, I think you're foolish, and wrong, and even more so, insolent, arrogant and rude, preaching nonviolence to the shell shocked masses from your high horse isn't going to win you any support and even the simple act of telling the Americans how you, as a foreigner think we, as a country, should listen to you deride us and our natural and understandable reactions?

 

I think the indigenous American moderator, along with some others, including a few enlightened Canuks, have done a pretty good job of shouting down the idiotic saber rattlers, we don't want or need your brand of help...

 

 

i am really fucking rude arent i from my high horse asking you not to kill innocent people.preaching non violence. im so sorry for being rude you go get those "camel jockies" or "towel heads".

sorry for being one of the few people on this board standing up for non violence,and sticking to my belifes.

[Smart]

fuck you dickhead, I was among the first here to call for calm and denounce the flagrant racism that was flying about on this board yesterday and your attempt to simply lump me in with the unenlightened simply proves how blind and ignorant you are.

 

Yes, insolent, rude and arrogant, more over, childishly deluded and guilty of making sweeping generalizations that are incorrect, see above.

 

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[bobobi11]

I did not say that killing innocents just because they are in another country is okay. My main point in this whole long thread is that here someone says something nice about our country. They acknowledged that we do a lot of nice things for others (let's not even get into the motivation, there is no monetary motivation for organizations like the NW Medical Teams which have gone to countries all over the world in times of disaster.) and people in the US who do get depressed about US government and business environment, could feel good for a moment. There was no reason to start with a negative post which is what you did.

 

Sorry if I was short, I am a bit frazzled. And no I would not turn in my friends so I wouldn't have to stand alone. Been in that situation and stood tall.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Smart:

fuck you dickhead, I was among the first here to call for calm and denounce the flagrant racism that was flying about on this board yesterday and your attempt to simply lump me in with the unenlightened simply proves how blind and ignorant you are.

 

Yes, insolent, rude and arrogant, more over, childishly deluded and guilty of making sweeping generalizations that are incorrect, see above.

 

 

before you said i was wrong,now you were the first to say dont be racist.

what the fuck are you saying?your not making sense here im insolent rude arrogant chilishly deluded and guilty of making sweeping gerealizations,but were both asking people to be nice.if i come of rude its cause idiots like yourself fail to under stand what im saying and force me to frustrate myself by repeating everything i say.example:

 

kill those jocky bastards

c4:hows that going to help you?

fuck you you american hater

.yeah shut up

your anti-american

 

i was simply stating that everyone on here jumped at the chance to say america isnt bad

and that the palestines are assholes,before they thought about the damage already done to those countries by the american soliders.

maybe i could've choosen better words.what if it turns out not to be bin-ladens doing?

and it was americans wouldnt you feel stupid for killing innocent people?

i know america isnt bad if you would read any thing i said you would know that.

i love north america,all of it.

do you know what the war of 1812 is?it was when the americans invaded canada[before it was canada]to steal land,when we pushed you back far past your countries capital and burned it,thats when they painted it white,to cover up the burn marks.now we could have taken land from you,but we didnt.we defended ourselves.

if the us were to defend it self i find that perfectly fine.but defend yourselves here.then i would be on the iraqie graff web pages saying "what would killing more americans do?"

 

you definetly dont know me or anything i said well enough to say those things,just like i dont know you well enough.im sorry if i didnt write everything with a dictonary to pick better words,but i thought it was understandable.

[Guest young republican]

It should be pointed out that in foreign Aid the united states gives the smallest percentage (well actually it isnt even a full percent) of their annual budget out of all the 1st world countries in the world, though it is still the most. In Europe it is not uncommon for a country to have more than 1% of their budget dedicated to foreign aid, Norway designates 3% to help poorer countries. If we gave that % it would not only impact the world significantly (shit we could wipe out AIDS in Africa) but it would show that we are firmly commited to humanity, not just our interests. All I am saying is that if we did not pump almost 10 times more money into our military than any other country we could easily afford to help end the messed up and poor situations around the world. Okay and In World War II if we had not been attacked who knows how many Europeans would have died before we stepped in. And we offer financial support to countries because by doing so they are in our in our emotional debt, or if not that because it keeps the economy here stable and it means we have one less country with political strife to worry about attacking us. And straight up I agree with see-phore on a few of his statements, you dont have to be unsympathetic to those who died, but maybe instead of talking about fucking up another country worse than we did,we should start seeing why we ARE one of the most hated countries on earth. Start asking why Ted Turner has to pay our UN dues because we disagree with the over whelming support the UN gives to impoverished nations claims and calls for justice. And with all of this talk about God in the governemtn and media, are we gonna 'turn the other cheek?' Right. I just think this is a time to try to reflect, acting like ravenous wolves is not good for us individualy or as a group and it most certainly plays into what was expected these occurances would cause.

When you try to ban someone for an opinion you go against everything America was supposed to stand for in the first place. let people have their opinions, but always stay aware of the facts.

 

Peace.

 

[This message has been edited by young republican (edited 09-12-2001).]

[Smart]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

before you said i was wrong,now you were the first to say dont be racist.

what the fuck are you saying?

 

I'll gladly bump the thread if you need me to

 

your not making sense here im insolent rude arrogant chilishly deluded and guilty of making sweeping gerealizations,but were both asking people to be nice.if i come of rude its cause idiots like yourself fail to under stand what im saying and force me to frustrate myself by repeating everything i say.example:

 

kill those jocky bastards

c4:hows that going to help you?

fuck you you american hater

.yeah shut up

your anti-american

 

quote me, find it, find the place where I advocated the death of 'those jocky bastards' Just find it and I will capitulate, gladly .

 

i was simply stating that everyone on here jumped at the chance to say america isnt bad and that the palestines are assholes,before they thought about the damage already done to those countries by the american soliders.

maybe i could've choosen better words.what if it turns out not to be bin-ladens doing?

and it was americans wouldnt you feel stupid for killing innocent people?

 

The ONLY innocents who have lost their lives due to this whole crisis so far have been Americans and the other foreign nationals trapped in the WTO. You're superceding events to condemn America for killings that have yet to occur

 

i know america isnt bad if you would read any thing i said you would know that.

i love north america,all of it.

do you know what the war of 1812 is?it was when the americans invaded canada[before it was canada]to steal land,when we pushed you back far past your countries capital and burned it,thats when they painted it white,to cover up the burn marks.now we could have taken land from you,but we didnt.we defended ourselves.

if the us were to defend it self i find that perfectly fine.but defend yourselves here.then i would be on the iraqie graff web pages saying "what would killing more americans do?"

 

what I KNOW is that there is a strong group of Canadians who love to jump up and point out that they burnt down the White House in 1812, nearly 200 years ago, to which I say, if we hadn't gone to war to save your asses in 1941, you'd all be speaking German on those fictional Iraqi web-sites you mention.

 

you definetly dont know me or anything i said well enough to say those things,just like i dont know you well enough.im sorry if i didnt write everything with a dictonary to pick better words,but i thought it was understandable.

 

I know enough to make the remarks that I have pointedly aimed at YOU, no one else, not Iraqis not Afghanis, nobody but YOU. I stand by what I said.

 

Again, my remarks have not EVER been for anyone one but YOU. I have lots of Canadian friends. They all express the same sense of sadness and general outrage concerning yesterday's events. None other than you have taken the time to point out America's past indignities. You have no class.

 

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2 Can Sam

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Smart:

You have no class.

 

alright thats your thought,thats fine you have some personal shit against me like some others on this web site,and its your choise.

 

i didnt say you said that if you read my statement without jumping to conclutions you would know that.also an inteligent person would know that "iraqie graff pages" was simply to help with a point.

 

you dont seem to read my words,or you cant understand them,but they are definatly understanable.im a Bahai i belive for the most part in nonviolence. if that somehow offended you sorry,but deal with it.you obiously dissagree with my thoughts but try to hide them behind inteligence.

 

you still do not know me or my thoughts even though they have been laid out clearly.

 

if you do have something against me i think a real man would come out and say it instead of trying to hide it behind personal attacks.that makes you the same as the terrorists,who you are against,or are you?

 

ps ive seen lots of people on this site bad mouth canada ,you never stopped them.is it because your a hypocrite?

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by *see-phore* (edited 09-13-2001).]

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by young republican:

you dont have to be unsympathetic to those who died, but maybe instead of talking about fucking up another country worse than we did,we should start seeing why we ARE one of the most hated countries on earth. Start asking why Ted Turner has to pay our UN dues because we disagree with the over whelming support the UN gives to impoverished nations claims and calls for justice. And with all of this talk about God in the governemtn and media, are we gonna 'turn the other cheek?' Right. I just think this is a time to try to reflect, acting like ravenous wolves is not good for us individualy or as a group and it most certainly plays into what was expected these occurances would cause.

When you try to ban someone for an opinion you go against everything America was supposed to stand for in the first place. let people have their opinions, but always stay aware of the facts.

 

Peace.

 

[This message has been edited by young republican (edited 09-12-2001).]

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Smart:

oh and the only innocence lost has been americans.

alright now i know your name isnt a fair representation of you.i promise i wont make fun of your handicap.

[Smart]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

alright thats your thought,thats fine you have some personal shit against me like some others on this web site,and its your choise.

 

you brought it on yourself

 

i didnt say you said that if you read my statement without jumping to conclutions you would know that.

 

???

 

also an inteligent person would know that "iraqie graff pages" was simply to help with a point.

 

I employed the same device, apparently more effectivly.

 

you dont seem to read my words,or you cant understand them,but they are definatly understanable.

again, I'm forced to reply ???

 

im a Bahai i belive for the most part in nonviolence. if that somehow offended you sorry,but deal with it.you obiously dissagree with my thoughts but try to hide them behind inteligence.

 

alright, skipping the part where you derailed, why is it that you keep labeling me a hawk? why can't I be a dove? AGAIN, I ask, when have I advocated violence?

 

you still do not know me or my thoughts even though they have been laid out clearly.

 

AGAIN I say ???

 

if you do have something against me i think a real man would come out and say it instead of trying to hide it behind personal attacks.that makes you the same as the terrorists,who you are against,or are you?

 

first off this argument is based on YOUR personal beliefs, just you, nobody else, just your unacknowledged arrogance and general lack of life experience. How many stamps does your passport have? You display a narrow world view that is as bad as the idiotic bigots that cry for blood.

 

ive seen lots of people on this site bad mouth canada ,you never stopped them.is it because your a hypocrite?

 

I have an intimate understanding of the humorous devices employed by some of the 'canada bashers' around here, perhaps I've even engaged such devices, however, I also understand the difference between jest and serious predjudice. If you have an anti-canada beef you can show evidence of, or even if you have a particular 'basher' in mind, send an email to Webmaster and I will do everything I can to expidite your claim's processing and will guarantee swift action... but I just don't see any REAL justification, and truth be known I'd propose to Mes3 at the drop of a hat...

 

 

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[Smart]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

Originally posted by Smart:

oh and the only innocence lost has been americans.

alright now i know your name isnt a fair representation of you.i promise i wont make fun of your handicap.

 

way to misquote me, and take it out of context, again I say NO CLASS

 

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[Guest chicken bone]

whats wrong with preaching non-violence?

[Smart]

Originally posted by chicken bone:

whats wrong with preaching non-violence?

 

nobody said ANYTHING against non-violence... don't insite derision.

 

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2 Can Sam

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Smart:

nobody said ANYTHING against non-violence... don't insite derision.

 

 

you said i was wrong,my belifes are non violent,you think non violence is wrong

[Guest freddy kreuger]

kid, please shut up. please, please, please.

cut the pseudo-intellect bullshit. go back and read over your arguements with Smart, and get a better idea of how ignorant you are. you're really aggrivating, and arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.

get a clue.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

what about the damage done to all those other countries by the americans?you can take credit for the good things but all the bad shit wasnt youre fault right.

 

what about the damage done everywhere else? doesnt it count?

im just bringing up valid points you cant respond with other valid points so you dont count.

 

do you know what been happening in other countries?the same shit that happened one time here,except,it happens everyday there maybe not the same scale as here but really close.what would hurting people in retaliation acheve?yes i do think who ever is responsible should pay,but not a whole religion or country. in my opinion the us should defend them selves,but defending themselves is not flying to afganistan to fight thats called war.i hope this clears things up for you:you saw what happened in nyc right?they destroyed families,100s of innocent people killed.maybe even some heroic people saved lives by crashing in pa.look at the devistation,in your country it was fliped up side down in a matter of moments.after looking at the pain and suffering here,think about the people you want to rage war against,the people[innocent or not] have families.the footage i saw on the news of people jumping for joy when nyc was hit,made me sick that children could feel that way.but i dont think it was just for the hell of it.maybe those children were told from a young age that the us is the enemy, if thats the case,your own laws say you cant put a mentaly ill person to death for any crime no matter how bad,because they dont know any better.

maybe its cause i wasnt there that i feel this way but after all the coments ive heard on this page it seems as if you let your pride get in the way of your thoughts,and thats when mistakes are made.

 

if you have a young child close to you,think "what would happen if i killed his/her parents".

 

i would haVe nothing against war if, you could garrantee no innocent people would get hurt,money wise[losing the family store]

emotionaly or physicly.

 

and if you have a problem with me e-mail me.

[Guest freddy kreuger]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

what about the damage done to all those other countries by the americans?you can take credit for the good things but all the bad shit wasnt youre fault right.

 

your original point. when did anyone say "all the bad shit" wasnt our fault? it's blatant from the get that your disdain is at the helm of your argument.

 

eat a dick you rat bastard i dont even live there shit head get your fucking head out of your ass hole.did i say it was so bad?,no you fucking moron.i just want everyone to understand that even after yesterdays incident the us still doesnt have it even a quarter as bad as other war-torn countries,where the us's presence has only made things worse,you faggot fuckfaced piece of shit.

 

way to clarify (poorly i might add) because you know you made a fool of yourself. do all people of the baha'i religion have such a pottie mouth? whatever points you're trying to make, your ignorance and arrogance completely overshadow them.

 

i'd pick you apart further, but your first 2 posts alone make you look foolish enough. nevermind the number smarticus did on you.

 

anyway, enough out of you. i think we should get back to the original post in this thread. for that, i am appreciative. thank you canada.

[Guest --zeSto--]

umm...

I'm not getting involved.

 

but I do have a valid point of concern here.

American authorities have stated that the

terrorists entered the USA via Canada and that

Canada has a reputation as being a safe-haven

for terrorist groups prior to entering the USA.

Bullshit

If there is a problem with Terrorists entering

the USA through Canada, that's not our concern.

We have no say in who enters the States.

That's what American Border Patrol is for.

If soneone walk out of a restaurant, and into

a bank, then robs the place...

is the restaurant responsible for not stoping

someone who had not yet comitted an offence?

 

well anyways...

On another note (for me to rant about)

Remember 2 weeks ago when w.Bush called Mexico

"our most important neighbour"?

Bullshit

Us Canucks were quietly offended, but didn't

really bitch about it. We know that CAN and USA

are like peas and carrots. So when shit hits the fan,

who is really the best ally?

Canada has already given huge support with

medical personel, blood donations and equipment.

We sent giant land movers used for mine explosions down to help.

 

so what's my point...?

we are in this together.

Your pain is our pain,

just remember who's on your team

when shit gets sticky.

 

Dont blame Canada for having a soft border, because half of that border is yours.

[Smart]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

you said i was wrong,my belifes are non violent,you think non violence is wrong

 

all cats have tails, all dogs have tails, all dogs are cats...

 

your syllogism is showing...

 

but yes Freddy is right, again I'll say Thank You to the Canadians for such a generous outpouring of support

 

 

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[seeking]

what the fuck? are you guys both enjoying your little mud slinging campain? you now have a whole page of futile personal attacks that are both a bit short sighted and self serving and certainly do not begin to open up any new dialog that pertains to the case at hand in the slightest. let it go.