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Spain's PM vows to catch bombers

 

 

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar has vowed that those responsible for the train bomb attacks in Madrid will be hunted down and punished.

 

Ten bombs exploded without warning on trains at three stations during the morning rush hour, killing 190 people and wounding more than 1,200.

 

Mr Aznar made it clear he believed the armed Basque separatist group Eta was behind the co-ordinated blasts.

 

But a political group close to Eta denied that it carried out the attacks.

 

Campaigning for Sunday's general election in Spain has been suspended, and three days of national mourning have been declared.

 

Who is to blame?

 

In a national address, Mr Aznar urged Spaniards to take to streets in protest at the attacks on their capital - and some have already heeded this call.

 

"Terrorism is not blind," he said.

 

"These terrorists wanted to cause as much damage as possible. It is a massacre. They have killed many people simply for being Spanish."

 

He added: "The criminals who have caused so many deaths today will be arrested... We will succeed in finishing off the terrorist band."

 

"Terrorist band" is a term normally used by the government to describe Eta.

 

'Arab resistance' blamed

 

Other government ministers - and much of the country's media - have explicitly linked Eta to the attacks.

 

Spanish anti-terrorist sources quoted by the AFP news agency said the explosive used in the attacks on four commuter trains was of a kind habitually used by Eta.

 

They said the devices appeared to have been set off by remote control.

 

There were no warnings issued ahead of the explosions.

 

BBC diplomatic correspondent Barnaby Mason says that if Eta was responsible, the simultaneous attacks mark an unprecedented increase in scale, ruthlessness and co-ordination.

 

Some observers say the bombings bear the hallmarks of the Islamic militant network al-Qaeda, which has threatened revenge on Spain for its government's backing of the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.

 

And the leader of the banned Basque political party Batasuna, Arnaldo Otegi, blamed "Arab resistance".

 

"Eta has always issued a warning whenever it left a bomb to explode," he said, adding: "Spain maintains occupation forces in Iraq and we should not forget that it had a responsibility for the war in Iraq."

 

According to an unconfirmed report carried by the Canadian-based English-language website called Jihad Unspun, a previously unknown group called the Lions of al-Mufridun has claimed responsibility.

 

The website said the group was "made up of Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisian operatives, with suspected links to al-Qaeda".

 

Panic and chaos

 

The bombings are being described as the most deadly terror attack in Europe since Pan-Am Flight 103 was blown out of the sky by a bomb above the Scottish town of Lockerbie in 1988, and the worst in Spanish history.

 

 

They struck between 0730 and 0800 local time (0630-0700GMT) as trains brought thousands of people to work in the capital.

 

Where the blasts happened

 

The main attack was at one of Madrid's major stations, Atocha, in the city centre.

 

Explosions hit a train as it was entering the huge interchange shortly after 0630 GMT, while other blasts went off on a train as it was passing Tellez street just outside the terminal.

 

Emergency numbers for relatives

 

(00 34) 900 200 222

(00 34) 915 767 000

 

Bombs also tore into carriages on trains at El Pozo and Santa Eugenia stations.

 

"People started to scream and run, some bumping into each other," Juani Fernandez, a civil servant who was on a platform at Atocha when the bombs went off, told the Associated Press.

 

"I saw people with blood pouring from them, people on the ground."

 

Three other devices hidden in backpacks were defused by police explosives experts.

 

Helicopters and dozens of ambulances ferried victims to hospitals, while appeals for blood donations were broadcast on national radio.

 

"It was butchery on a brutal scale," said Juan Redondo, an inspector for Madrid Firefighting Department. "This catastrophe goes beyond the imaginable."

 

Political and religious leaders across the world have condemned the attacks, with many describing them as an attack on democracy.

 

US President George W Bush said it was a "vicious act of terrorism" and telephoned Mr Aznar and King Juan Carlos to express his condolences.

 

 

MAIN ETA ATTACKS

 

July 2003: Bomb attacks in Alicante and Benidorm, 13 injured. Further explosion at Santander airport days later

Jan, Feb 2000: Car bombs explode in Madrid and the Basque capital Vitoria

June 1998: Car bomb kills Popular Party councillor Manuel Zamarreno

July 1997: ETA kidnaps and kills Basque councillor Miguel Angel Blanco

June 1987: 21 shoppers are killed in an attack on a Barcelona supermarket

1980: In ETA's bloodiest year, 118 people are killed

Dec 1973: Assassination of Prime Minister Admiral Luis Carrero Blanco

 

 

...source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3502218.stm

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Ok, I just checked the BBC site.

 

link to article

 

According to an unconfirmed report carried by the Canadian-based English-language website called Jihad Unspun, a previously unknown group called the Lions of al-Mufridun has claimed responsibility.

 

The website said the group was "made up of Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisian operatives, with suspected links to al-Qaeda".

 

It sounds like all the Spaniards are ignoring ETA's normal MOA and blaming them, while people outside of the country are linking it to Al Quaeda.

 

This article also mentioned that there were 10 blasts...but some were defused.

 

RIP

I'll never understand the killing of innocent citizens

 

Three other devices hidden in backpacks were defused by police explosives experts.

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Re: What about ETA?!

 

Originally posted by JeffLebowski

Tesseract, it appears you have something to say about the ETA organization. If you do not wish to post here you can go ahead and email me.

 

No and no, i aint got something specific to say about ETA, i have no problem saying my opinion publically and most of all i aint attacking 360 in any way.

 

My view on it, is that i get really pissed with two things, one is terrorism and second is the reasons that cause terrorism.

Behind every major terrorist group there was a serious demand and a series of govermental fuck ups over innocent people. You think palestinians are having a goodtime and one day said "hey! wouldnt it be fun to strap a shitload of dynamite all over me and go blast in the middle of a mall?"....we all know its not like that.

For gods shake dont let this be misunderstood, when i say i feel bad for them and the innocent people they kill, i mean it to the point that it disgusts the fuck out of me.

 

And all that 'associated with al-quida" shit is just bogus...in inter-goverment relationships you see the US selling weapons to Iraq just years ago, israelis offering protection to turkey, russians digging other countries nuclear waste in their soil....and you expect terrorist groups to not being linked at eachother? where the fuck you think they buy from.

 

thats all, all coins have two sides.

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Deeply sorry to everyone in Spain, especially those with relatives/friends/loved ones on the trains.

 

How long will it be before Bush uses this as an excuse to go to war with some completely unrelated country? Has he already?

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Originally posted by GnomeToys

 

How long will it be before Bush uses this as an excuse to go to war with some completely unrelated country? Has he already?

 

Unfortunatelly, this time it seems like its the other way around...

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Originally posted by GnomeToys

How long will it be before Bush uses this as an excuse to go to war with some completely unrelated country? Has he already?

 

I was thinking the same thing. Look out, evil North Africa.....

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The only consolation for those who survived - and it is not likely to ease their suffering much - is that three more bombs, apparently timed to detonate as emergency services arrived at the scene of the first wave of explosions, were discovered by police and destroyed in controlled explosions.

 

Taken from this article. I read that, and was shocked. Its one thing to kill hundreds of innocent civilians, but to have more explosives set to go off when the paramedics arrive... I'm really at a loss for words.

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Re: Re: What about ETA?!

 

Originally posted by Tesseract

And all that 'associated with al-quida" shit is just bogus...in inter-goverment relationships you see the US selling weapons to Iraq just years ago, israelis offering protection to turkey, russians digging other countries nuclear waste in their soil....and you expect terrorist groups to not being linked at eachother? where the fuck you think they buy from.

 

thats all, all coins have two sides.

 

not enough people realize how interconnected everything is.

when [american] people think bin laden, they don't also think 'CIA trained', which they should..

 

when americans say 'why is the u.s. even in haiti?' they don't realize that the american government loved aristide, then kidnapped him when shit got outta control

 

or that america installed saddam hussein

(this is why i get fury fucking us when i hear people like Dickwad Bremer saying that hussein brutalized the iraqii people for 30 years...which would mean he started immediately after being handed the reigns by the U.S.)

 

this shit goes on and on and on.

i too am disgusted by the cycle of violence being perpetuated in, now, almost every part of the world..

 

is this the beginning of the end or something????

 

 

 

..........GNOMETOYS....

 

yes!!!

Bush has already started undermining the government of oil-rich VENEZUELA

(and don't forget about the covert marine ops in Haiti)

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they just said on the news they found a van full of detonators and arabic tapes with sayings on them or some shit...

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Originally posted by CILONE/SK

Not only because they kill people to make their point, but because most of them are not open to other peoples ideas and they want to make everyone like them. With them it is either their way or death, that is fucked up.

 

Sounds awfully familiar.

 

This shit sucks.

RIP

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Saw this news live at a pub, cant say how shooked i was. Terrible

 

 

RIP

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i'm not shocked this happened

check it out in america public transportation is so vulnerable if your a writer you know how easy it is to get into yards, tunnels, light rail paths..

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Purported Qaeda Letter Claims Spain Bombings

39 minutes ago

 

DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them strikes against "crusaders," a London-based Arabic newspaper said.

 

The Spanish government has said Basque separatists were the main suspect in the bombings of four trains early on Thursday that killed 190 people.

 

But the country's interior minister held open the possibility of a militant Islamist link on Thursday evening when he told a newspaper conference that a suspect van had been found containing detonators and an Arabic-language tape. He said, however, militant Basque separatists remained chief suspects.

 

The London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper faxed to Reuters' Dubai bureau a copy of a letter purporting to come from the "Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades." The group aligns itself to al Qaeda, blamed by Washington for September 2001 attacks on the United States.

 

"We have succeeded in infiltrating the heart of crusader Europe and struck one of the bases of the crusader alliance," said the letter which called the attacks "Operation Death Trains."

 

There was no way of authenticating the letter.

 

The newspaper received similar letters from the same brigade claiming responsibility on behalf of al Qaeda for a November bombing of two synagogues in Turkey and the August bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.

 

Spain backed the United States in its invasion of Iraq, drawing the opprobrium of militant Islamist groups.

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Arab Paper Gets Spain Bombing Claim

By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The Arabic newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi said Thursday it had received a claim of responsibility for the Madrid train bombings issued in the name of al-Qaida.

The five-page e-mail claim, signed by the shadowy Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri, was received at the paper's London offices. It said the brigade's ``death squad'' had penetrated ``one of the pillars of the crusade alliance, Spain,'' and carried out what it called Operation Death Trains.

 

``This is part of settling old accounts with Spain, the crusader, and America's ally in its war against Islam,'' the claim said.

Referring to Spain's Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, the statement asked: ``Aznar, where is America? Who will protect you, Britain, Japan, Italy and others from us?''

The newspaper faxed the claim to The Associated Press office in Cairo.

 

The statement warned the United States that a major strike is approaching.

 

``We announce the good news for the Muslims in the world that the strike of the black wind of death, the expected strike against America, is now at its final stage - 90 percent ready - and it is coming soon, by God's will,'' the claim said.

 

Asked about the claim of responsibility, White House spokesman Sean McCormack said ``we've seen the news reports and we're going to determine what the facts are.''

 

The message also referred to last year's attack on Italian paramilitary police serving in the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq.

 

``When we attacked the Italian troops in Nasiriyah and sent you and America's agents an ultimatum to withdraw from the anti-Islam alliance, you did not understand the the message. Now we have made it clear and hope that this time you will understand,'' the statement said.

 

``We, at the Abu Hafs brigades, have not felt sad for the so-called civilians,'' the statement in an apparent reference to the hundreds of casualties in Thursday's attacks in Madrid.

 

``Is it OK for you to kill our children, women, old people and youth in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Kashmir? And is it forbidden to us to kill yours?'' the claim asked.

 

The statement said another al-Qaida squad, Jund al-Quds or Soldiers of Jerusalem, had carried out Tuesday night's attack on a Masonic lodge in Istanbul, Turkey.

 

``All the Masons would have been killed but there was a technical fault. So because God wished it, only three were killed,'' the statement said.

 

In the attack, two suicide bombers opened fire in the lodge's dining hall, killing a waiter and wounding five other people. The attackers then detonated rudimentary explosives. One assailant died in the blast while the other was severely wounded.

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I don't even know what to say about this all.

All these events just keep on happening and happening...

its seems inevitable that its all going to reach some kind of hugely drastic climax.

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Originally posted by #^%!#^%:

The statement warned the United States that a major strike is approaching.

 

``We announce the good news for the Muslims in the world that the strike of the black wind of death, the expected strike against America, is now at its final stage - 90 percent ready - and it is coming soon, by God's will,'' the claim said.

 

well, we're all fucked.

 

:( :o

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Originally posted by E MARTYR

well, we're all fucked.

 

 

Yes, yes you are......

 

But if the war on Iraq is the new motive....they're are a bunch of places at risk.

 

I am so fucking glad Canada stayed out of that shit....

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Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle

Yes, yes you are......

 

But if the war on Iraq is the new motive....they're are a bunch of places at risk.

 

I am so fucking glad Canada stayed out of that shit....

 

now dazzle, i know we've had our differences on the board and whatnot, but you got a couch for good ole teaser if he has to fleeola the country on the quick tip right?

 

;) :D :lol:

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Terrible....

 

I don't think this was al queda though. Doesn't fit with their tactics. Al Quedas beef is not with innocent people and they have plainly stated this which is why they opt for decapitation attacks as cleanly as possible.... and I think they understand that intimidation tactics don't work in countries with strong governmental influence. This seems like a hate crime to me. Could be wrong though.

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Originally posted by villain

 

I don't think this was al queda though. Doesn't fit with their tactics. Al Quedas beef is not with innocent people and they have plainly stated this

 

 

:confused: :confused: :confused:

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Originally posted by villain

Terrible....

 

I don't think this was al queda though. Doesn't fit with their tactics. Al Quedas beef is not with innocent people and they have plainly stated this which is why they opt for decapitation attacks as cleanly as possible.... and I think they understand that intimidation tactics don't work in countries with strong governmental influence. This seems like a hate crime to me. Could be wrong though.

 

just as in sept 11, al-qaeda doesn't think of civilians as innocent.

they think that because the sapnish government was with the war (even though the people weren't) the people are fair game..

 

there have been other al-qaeda attacks on innocent people

including in saudi arabia

and africa

 

from cnn.com (May 13th 2003)

Bergen: No question, attack was al Qaeda

(CNN) -- Suicide bombings Monday night at three housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killed at least 20 people -- including seven Americans, the Saudi Interior Ministry said. Nine bombers also died. Government officials suspect the attacks were conducted by al Qaeda terrorists. (Full story)

 

CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, author of the best-selling book, "Holy War Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden," discussed the attacks with CNN's Bill Hemmer.

 

HEMMER: Peter Bergen has studied al Qaeda for several years. Do these attacks look like the work of al Qaeda to you?

 

BERGEN: No question about it. Simultaneous attacks, they went into these compounds with shooting, which they did in the U.S. Embassy bombing attacks in eastern Africa in 1998. Then the bombs went off. Also there is some indication that there may have been initial explosions to bring people out and then another explosion to perhaps kill more people. This also happened in the U.S. Embassy attacks in Africa.

 

Al Qaeda itself said last week in an interview, one of al Qaeda's spokesmen, in an Arabic magazine published in London that they were planning more attacks. And clearly, this is one of those attacks. There's just an absence of other groups that would be capable of carrying out these coordinated attacks.

 

 

 

and from an interview with bin Laden in 2002

link... http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...ript/index.html

 

Q [interrupting]: How about the killing of innocent civilians?

 

BIN LADEN: The killing of innocent civilians, as America and some intellectuals claim, is really very strange talk. Who said that our children and civilians are not innocent and that shedding their blood is justified? That it is lesser in degree? When we kill their innocents, the entire world from east to west screams at us, and America rallies its allies, agents, and the sons of its agents. Who said that our blood is not blood, but theirs is? Who made this pronouncement? Who has been getting killed in our countries for decades? More than 1 million children, more than 1 million children died in Iraq and others are still dying. Why do we not hear someone screaming or condemning, or even someone's words of consolation or condolence?

 

How come millions of Muslims are being killed? Where are the experts, the writers, the scholars and the freedom fighters, where are the ones who have an ounce a faith in them? They react only if we kill American civilians, and every day we are being killed, children are being killed in Palestine. We should review the books. Human nature makes people stand with the powerful without noticing it. When they talk about us, they know we won't respond to them. In the past, an Arab king once killed an ordinary Arab man. The people started wondering how come kings have the right to kill people just like that. Then the victim's brother went and killed the king in revenge. People were disappointed with the young man and asked him, "How could you kill a king for your brother?" The man said, "My brother is my king." We consider all our children in Palestine to be kings.

 

We kill the kings of the infidels, kings of the crusaders, and civilian infidels in exchange for those of our children they kill. This is permissible in law and intellectually.

 

Q: So what you are saying is that this is a type of reciprocal treatment. They kill our innocents, so we kill their innocents.

 

BIN LADEN: So we kill their innocents, and I say it is permissible in law and intellectually, because those who spoke on this matter spoke from a juridical perspective.

 

Q: What is their position?

 

BIN LADEN: That it is not permissible. They spoke of evidence that the Messenger of God forbade the killing of women and children. This is true.

 

[break in tape.]

 

Q: This is exactly what I'm asking about.

 

BIN LADEN: However, this prohibition of the killing of children and innocents is not absolute. It is not absolute. There are other texts that restrict it.

 

I agree that the Prophet Mohammed forbade the killing of babies and women. That is true, but this is not absolute. There is a saying, "If the infidels killed women and children on purpose, we shouldn't shy way from treating them in the same way to stop them from doing it again." The men that God helped [attack, on September 11] did not intend to kill babies; they intended to destroy the strongest military power in the world, to attack the Pentagon that houses more than 64,000 employees, a military center that houses the strength and the military intelligence.

 

Q: How about the twin towers?

 

BIN LADEN: The towers are an economic power and not a children's school. Those that were there are men that supported the biggest economic power in the world. They have to review their books. We will do as they do. If they kill our women and our innocent people, we will kill their women and their innocent people until they stop.

 

Q: Media organizations as well as intelligence information says that you run a big network in some 40 to 50 countries. There is information that al Qaeda is very influential and powerful and it is behind attacks and Islamic foundations and terrorist organizations. How much is al Qaeda dependent on Osama Bin Laden?

 

BIN LADEN: This has nothing to do with this poor servant of God, nor with the al Qaeda organization. We are the children of an Islamic nation whose leader is Mohammed.

 

We have one religion, one God, one book, one prophet, one nation. Our book teaches us to be brothers of a faith. All the Muslims are brothers. The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. We speak about the conscience of the nation; we are the sons of the nation. We brothers in Islam from the Middle East, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and as far as Mauritania.

 

Those men who sacrificed themselves in New York and Washington, they are the spokesmen of the nation's conscience. They are the nation's conscience that saw they have to avenge against the oppression.

 

Not all terrorism is cursed; some terrorism is blessed. A thief, a criminal, for example feels terrorized by the police. So, do we say to the policeman, "You are a terrorist"? No. Police terrorism against criminals is a blessed terrorism because it will prevent the criminal from repeating his deed. America and Israel exercise the condemned terrorism. We practice the good terrorism which stops them from killing our children in Palestine and elsewhere.

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this whole situation is getting way out of hand.

 

what do you guys think is going to have to happen for it all to stop?

 

what do you think they will try to attack in the U.S. if there is another attack? which landmarks or targets do you think they'll go for?

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