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okay, i'm not getting into the whole story here, but

i thought some of you might find this annoying as shit..

from talkingpointsmemo:

 

Scott McClellan seems intent on saying that a dental exam the president had at Dannelly Alabama Air National Guard base in January 1973 proves he fulfilled his Guard duty that year in Alabama.

 

That, of course, and the ambiguous pay stubs -- a number of which seem to show he was in Texas.

 

This is, of course, all in addition to the fact that the president has gone back on his promise to just make this whole thing easy and release all his military service records -- something he, through his aides, now refuses to do.

 

But look at this testy exchange this morning about whether the president was required to perform community service during the time he was in the Guard ...

 

Q: Did the President ever have to take time off from Guard duty to do community service?

 

Scott McClellan: To do community service? I haven't looked into everything he did 30 years ago, Helen. Obviously, there is different community service he has performed in the past, including going back to that time period --

 

Q: Can you find out if he actually had --

 

Scott McClellan: Helen, I don't think we remember every single activity he was involved in 30 years ago.

 

Q: No, this isn't an activity. Was he forced to do community service at any time while he was on --

 

Scott McClellan: What's your interest in that question? I'm sorry, I just --

 

Q: Lots of rumors. I'm just trying to clear up something.

 

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

 

Q: Pardon?

 

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

 

Q: About the President having to do community service while he was in the National Guard, take time out for that.

 

Scott McClellan: I'm not aware of those rumors. But if you want to --

 

Q: Could you look it up? Would you mind asking him?

 

Scott McClellan: That's why I'm asking what's your interest in that? I just don't understand your interest in that.

 

Q: It's what everybody is interested in, whether we're getting the true story on his Guard duty.

 

Scott McClellan: Well, you have the documents that show the facts.

 

Q: I'm asking you to try to find out from the President of the United States.

 

Scott McClellan: Like I said, it's well known the different jobs he had and what he was doing previously, that we know. That goes back to --

 

Q: I didn't say "previously." I said, while he was on Guard duty.

 

Scott McClellan: But you're asking me about 30 years ago. I don't think there's a recollection of everything he was doing 30 years ago.

 

Q: Well, he would know if he had to take time out.

 

Scott McClellan: Again, I mean, the issue that was raised was whether or not the President was serving while he was in Alabama. Documents reflect that he

was --

 

Q: Well, this is another issue.

 

Scott McClellan: -- hold on -- that he was serving in Alabama. That was the issue that was raised. We went through, four years ago, other issues related to this.

 

Q: So you won't answer the question or you won't try to find out?

 

Scott McClellan: Well, I'm asking you, what's your interest in that question? I'm just curious, because rumors --

 

Q: Did he have to do any community service while he was in the National Guard?

 

Scott McClellan: Look, Helen, I think the issue here was whether or not the President served in Alabama. Records have documented --

 

Q: I'm asking you a different question. That's permissible.

 

Scott McClellan: Can I answer your question? Sure it is. Can I ask you why you're asking it? I'm just -- out of curiosity myself, is that permissible?

 

Q: Well, I'm interested, of course, in what everybody is interested in. And we have a very --

 

Scott McClellan: Let me just point out that we've released all the information we have related to this issue, the issue of whether or not he served while in Alabama. Records have documented as false the outrageous --

 

Q: I asked you whether he had to do any community service while he was in the National Guard.

 

Scott McClellan: Can I walk through this?

 

Q: It's a very legitimate question.

 

Scott McClellan: And I want to back up and walk through this a little bit. Let's talk about the issue that came up, because this issue came up four years ago, it came up four years before that -- or two years before that, it came up four years before that --

 

Q: Did my question come up four years ago, and was it handled?

 

Scott McClellan: Helen, if you'll let me finish, I want to back up and talk about this --

 

Q: Don't dance around, just give us --

 

Q: It's a straightforward question.

 

Q: Let's not put too fine a point on it. If I'm not mistaken, you're implying that he had to do community service for criminal action, as a punishment for some crime?

 

Q: There are rumors around, and I didn't put it in that way. I just --

 

Q: Could you take that question? I guess apparently that's the question, that he had to take time out to perform community service --

 

Scott McClellan: That's why I wanted to get to this because --

 

Q: -- as a sentence for a crime.

 

Scott McClellan: No, that's why I wanted to get to this because I want to step back for a second. I want to go back through a few things. Look, the -- I think we've really exhausted the issue that came up. The issue that came up was related to whether or not he had served while he was in Alabama. Records have documented as false the outrageous, baseless accusation that he did not serve while in Alabama. The conspiracy theory of one individual, that the National Guard cleansed documents, has been discredited.

 

Q: How so?

 

Scott McClellan: Read The Boston Globe today.

 

Q: Well, we want answers from you, not --

 

Scott McClellan: Read the Boston Globe. No, the answers are from the people that would have knowledge of that. But read --

 

Q: Why do you think this person made those allegations?

 

Scott McClellan: Hang on, hang on.

 

Q: What? Just read The Boston Globe --

 

Scott McClellan: Just read The Boston Globe. Read The Boston Globe. I would draw your attention to that. What I think we're seeing now is just politics. And we're not going to engage in it, because there are great challenges facing our nation, and there should be an honest discussion of the actions the President is taking to make our world safer and better and make America more prosperous and secure.

 

You want me to go --

 

Q: -- the personal record of a President is --

 

Scott McClellan: No, hang on, Helen, hang on. I've said from this podium, if we have new information that comes to our attention that relates to this issue, we have made it clear we will share that information. You're asking me to go and chase rumors. There was a conspiracy theory --

 

Q: I think --

 

Scott McClellan: Hold on, hold on, Helen. There was a conspiracy theory made by one individual, when everybody he accused of being involved in that said, it's ridiculous, didn't happen.

 

Q: This is not based on a conspiracy theory.

 

Scott McClellan: And there was a lot of attention given to this individual, and he's been discredited. There's a Boston Globe article on it this morning. And there are some --

 

Q: That says what? Your point --

 

Scott McClellan: You can go read it. I mean, we've got other things to move on to. I mean, you can go read it. But there are some, unfortunately, who simply are not interested in the facts. Again, the documents -- the records document that he did serve while in Alabama. And now there are people that are bringing up issues that were addressed four years ago.

 

Q: But you still haven't answered Helen's question. She asked you a simple question.

 

Scott McClellan: There are people that want to replay the 2000 campaign all over again, Bill, and --

 

Q: You still haven't answered her question about community service.

 

Scott McClellan: -- there are too many important -- there are too many important policies and decisions that are being made that we need to discuss.

 

Q: Why does a "yes" or "no" elude you on this?

 

Scott McClellan: I didn't say that. I said that these were all issues addressed four years ago. If there's additional information --

 

Q: This issue quite obviously wasn't addressed four years ago.

 

Scott McClellan: Oh, issues -- these issues were addressed four years ago.

 

Q: This issue was? The community service issue was addressed four years ago?

 

Scott McClellan: The issues -- the issues that we're going to here --

 

Q: I don't recall --

 

Scott McClellan: This is called chasing a rumor. And I'm not going to engage in this kind of politics, Bill.

 

Q: -- finding out whether a rumor is true or false.

 

Scott McClellan: No, this issue, absolutely --

 

Q: Why can't you say whether or not he performed community service?

 

Scott McClellan: Absolutely, this issue came up four years ago. And if you all want to play politics, then go call the RNC, call the campaign.

 

Q: The best defense is offense. We know that. Just, all you've got to say is you don't know.

 

Scott McClellan: Helen, it was -- this issue was addressed four years ago. I think people that were involved in the campaign will know --

 

Q: -- if they know --

 

Scott McClellan: -- that the issue that you're trying to bring up was addressed four years ago. It's about chasing rumors.

 

Q: It isn't a question of four years ago. The issue has come up now, very large.

 

Scott McClellan: I'm not going to get into chasing rumors.

 

Q: Headlines.

 

Scott McClellan: I'm not going to get into chasing rumors.

 

Q: So you refuse to answer the question?

 

Scott McClellan: You're saying that people said he was forced to do something, and you're asking me to chase a rumor.

 

Q: Everything is politics today, of course.

 

Q: She asked you a "yes" or "no" question.

 

Scott McClellan: Look, if you all want to -- this is just politics. That's what this is. And if there's any more information I have to share with you all, I will always -- I will do that.

 

Q: Scott, I have a question of this individual, and I confess, I haven't read the Boston article. But who -- what do you believe was this person's motivation, that if they have been discredited, for making these allegations?

 

Scott McClellan: Just -- I would read The Boston Globe. Everybody that he accused of being involved in this has said it was totally ridiculous. And there are others that --

 

Q: So are you saying -- was it politically motivated?

 

Scott McClellan: There are others that are quoted in The Boston Globe today, that you might want to see what they said.

 

Q: Speaking of politics, has the President authorized his campaign --

 

Scott McClellan: And we've got to --

 

Q: -- to release a video attacking Senator Kerry?

 

Scott McClellan: You need to talk -- you need to talk to the campaign. But let me go to the week ahead because we've used up more than 15 minutes.

 

Q: So the President did authorize --

 

Q: Scott, I've got --

 

Scott McClellan: I'm going to go to the week ahead.

 

 

 

Houston, do we have a problem?

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i read three lines of that and became annoyed. i don't know who scott mclelan is or whoever, but he sure is defending the president a lot, and i'm not a fan of that.

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haha, scott is the press secretary aka the prez's biatch.

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I ended up writing Helen Thomas an email to thank her for kicking ass. And she was nice enough to write back:

 

From : Helen Thomas <hthomas@hearstdc.com>

Sent : Friday, February 13, 2004 3:16 PM

To : "................." <...................@hotmail.com>

Subject : Re: this morning's gaggle

 

 

 

thanks for those kind words-helent

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "............." <.................@hotmail.com>

To: <hthomas@hearstdc.com>

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:29 PM

Subject: re: this morning's gaggle

 

 

> Ms. Thomas -

>

> Thank you! Thank you for asking the tough questions and not allowing

> McClellan to wriggle his way out of an answer. You are a HUGE asset to

this

> country's media. I and others appreciate all the work you have done and

> will continue to do.

>

> Thank you again.

>

> ..... ........

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http://washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz...lellan0204.html

 

White House Press Secretary Lashes Out at Reporter: “There’s a Difference Between Trashy Rumors and Journalism”

 

Scott McClellan finally lost it Friday, according to White House reporters. He doesn’t see it that way.

 

The White House press secretary had kept his cool all week as reporters pounced on him about President George Bush’s 1970s service in the National Guard. Facing perhaps his toughest week as press secretary, McClellan got testy Tuesday under questioning by CBS correspondent John Roberts during the televised briefing. He then blew up at old pro Helen Thomas during the private “gaggle” for reporters on Friday.

 

Thomas had gotten a tip that Bush might have been absent from duty in Alabama because he was performing court-ordered community service in Texas in 1972. She asked McClellan if that was accurate.

 

According to reporters in the press room, McClellan got red-faced and became so angry, it looked to some as if he were ready to pounce. He characterized the question as coming from “gutter politics.”

 

Thomas, who has covered every president since Dwight Eisenhower and now writes a column for Hearst, was not fazed. “I think they are getting pretty nervous about this,” she said Friday afternoon. “I’ve learned over the years that when you put out records, it often leads to more questions.”

 

Some questions are out of bounds, McClellan told The Washingtonian: “Helen was asking about trashy rumors. There’s a difference between trashy rumors and journalism. I will not dignify them from the podium.”

 

And he says he’ll try not to lose his cool. “I hope to keep a smile on my face,” he said.

 

The confrontation created talk among White House correspondents as to whether McClellan could stand the pressure as it builds during the 2004 campaign season.

 

“Scott is trashing reporters for asking questions,” says one veteran correspondent. “He’s dissipating the goodwill he had for not being Ari Fleischer. He’s proving to be as testy and disdainful as Ari.”

 

The White House press-secretary job is one of the most contentious in politics. Every day its holder has to stand in front of hostile reporters and give them enough information without giving them too much. McClellan’s job arguably is harder because the Bush White House has tried to control information and stay “on message” more than most administrations, according to veteran reporters.

 

“I think he’s doing what they want him to do,” says National Journal’s Carl Cannon, president of the White House Correspondents’ Association. “But no matter how much you want to stick to the party line, the job entails thinking on your feet. They don’t want their guy thinking on his feet.”

 

Says CBS correspondent Roberts: “We don’t get our questions answered most of the time. He’s toeing the party line quite ably.”

 

McClellan was expected to be a kinder, smoother Ari Fleischer. Where Fleischer was a product of the capital and knew how to use back channels to help reporters at major papers, McClellan is part of Bush’s Texas entourage, worked with the President when he was governor, and is not playing by Washington rules.

 

Fleischer put on a tough public face, reporters say, but was willing to deviate from “the message” in private. McClellan sticks to the message all the time.

 

“He has a long relationship with these folks,” John Roberts says of McClellan and the Bush people. “He doesn’t want to blow it.”

 

In Friday afternoon’s televised press conference, reporters pressed McClellan with questions about the coming presidential campaign. He parried each query by telling the reporter to ask Bush campaign officials.

 

There reporters will encounter press secretary Terry Holt, who has a reputation of sometimes being funny and being less tied to the inner circle. Then again, he has yet to be tested by a voracious press corps—and Helen Thomas.

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Originally posted by gfreshsushi

i read three lines of that and became annoyed. i don't know who scott mclelan is or whoever,

 

i agree to this point

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