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What freedoms do you have in America that other countries do not?

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do you mean what freedoms do you have in america that no other country has? otherwise its kinda hard to answer.

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Let's keep Canada out of this :)

 

I'm Canadian by the way and I'm not really educated in this matter. I'm only raising this question because so many Americans feel pride in their freedom when so many other countries share those liberties without the... well you know, Americanism.

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:

 

I think it's that America did draft a great constitution earlier than most countries.

 

Times have changed but the attitude is still there.

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'Bitches' can go topless throughout Ontario. I'm not sure about the rest of Canada but I know European countries are a lot easier about sexuality and an exposed breast would not create such a rediculous media frenzy.

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Originally posted by E MARTYR

we can pop out bitches titties at special events during half time shows... what you got?

 

we can replay it without fuzzy squares covering it :D

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i dont think alot of people really can define what freedom is..

 

post modern living.. as cheesy as this may sound... make more people completely retarded as to seeing in context what freedom is...

 

most dipshits. (tease....ola) can account for such things.

 

 

most spit the we are the global dominant power rhetoric.

 

merry go round status.

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Originally posted by Al Green

i dont think alot of people really can define what freedom is..

 

post modern living.. as cheesy as this may sound... make more people completely retarded as to seeing in context what freedom is...

 

most dipshits. (tease....ola) can account for such things.

 

 

please elaborate on this. you're saying because we live in a post modernist age, (which my definition of is all cultures, periods etc are all are equal) people are more confused as to what freedom is because they see 'real freedom' and would rather choose not being free? sort of like in the first matrix film~the guy who wants to carry on living in the matrix because the real world is so shit?

 

what freedoms does america have?

lets see...

~all records of everything you do ever (where you shop,what you buy, what books you take @library, your job, what websites you visit countless other stuff) are stored on some huge database

~in order to weed out all the 'terrorists' everyone's profile is on some database

~cctv follows you everywhere

 

not much freedom it seems. same in the uk, mind.

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'HOPE YOU LOSE, EH'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats hillarious.

 

 

 

this idea of america being the 'freest' country on earth, flat out, unequivecally, is a crock of shit. just about any of the scandanavian countries rival, if not surpass us in freedom, and most certainly equality in standard of living. unless one of you canadians can provide an example otherwise, ive never heard of a single freedom we have that you dont, and infact can think of more on your side.

'free speech'?!?! again, a complete crock of shit. yes, for the most part, people can say whatever they want, but its not cause we're 'free', it's because no one cares, so the government can allow us such 'freedoms'. anytime someone has something important to say, it gets censored as being a matter of 'national security'. how is that free speech? yeah, i can say 'the government is lying to us', but all im doing is pissing into the wind, so who cares? i'd rather NOT be able to say it, atleast then the borders would be clearly defined as what they truly are.

 

i think an easier question would be 'what freedoms DONT other countries have, that we do. pick any major western civilization, and i think you're going to be hard pressed to come up with anything.

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In case anyone's interested, here's a link to the Second World Press Freedom rankings. (Scroll down a bit).

 

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N° Country Note

1 Finland 0,50

- Iceland 0,50

- Netherlands 0,50

- Norway 0,50

5 Denmark 1,00

- Trinidad and Tobago 1,00

7 Belgium 1,17

8 Germany 1,33

9 Sweden 1,50

10 Canada 1,83

11 Latvia 2,25

12 Czech Republic 2,50

- Estonia 2,50

- Slovakia 2,50

- Switzerland 2,50

16 Austria 2,75

17 Ireland 2,83

- Lithuania 2,83

- New Zealand 2,83

20 Slovenia 3,00

21 Hungary 3,33

- Jamaica 3,33

- South Africa 3,33

24 Costa Rica 3,83

25 Uruguay 4,00

26 France 4,17

27 United Kingdom 4,25

28 Portugal 5,17

29 Benin 5,25

30 Timor-Leste 5,50

31 Greece 6,00

- United States of America (American territory) 6,00

33 Poland 6,17

34 Albania 6,50

- Bulgaria 6,50

- Nicaragua 6,50

37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 6,83

- Chile 6,83

- El Salvador 6,83

40 Paraguay 7,17

41 Mauritius 7,25

42 Ecuador 7,67

- Spain 7,67

44 Israel (Israeli territory) 8,00

- Japan 8,00

46 Madagascar 8,17

47 Cape Verde 8,25

48 Ghana 8,75

49 South Korea 9,17

50 Australia 9,25

51 Bolivia 9,67

- Macedonia 9,67

53 Italy 9,75

- Panama 9,75

55 Peru 10,25

56 Hong-Kong 11,00

- Mali 11,00

- Namibia 11,00

59 Fiji 11,50

- Romania 11,50

61 Taïwan 12,00

62 Botswana 13,00

63 Congo 14,00

- Mozambique 14,00

65 Honduras 14,17

66 Senegal 14,50

67 Argentina 15,17

68 Niger 15,75

69 Croatia 16,50

- Tanzania 16,50

71 Brazil 16,75

72 Dominican Republic 17,00

73 Georgia 17,33

74 Mexico 17,67

75 Lesotho 17,75

76 Burkina Faso 18,00

77 Gambia 18,25

- Mongolia 18,25

79 Comoros 18,50

- Kenya 18,50

81 Cambodia 19,50

82 Thailand 19,67

83 Cyprus 20,83

84 Malawi 21,00

85 Serbia and Montenegro 21,33

86 Zambia 23,25

87 Sierra Leone 23,50

88 Chad 24,00

89 Sri Lanka 24,83

90 Armenia 25,17

91 Uganda 25,75

92 Burundi 26,25

93 Seychelles 26,75

94 Moldova 27,00

95 Togo 27,50

96 Venezuela 27,83

97 Angola 28,00

98 Cameroon 30,50

99 Guatemala 30,83

100 Haiti 31,00

101 Gabon 31,25

102 Kuwait 31,33

103 Nigeria 31,50

104 Kyrgyzstan 32,00

- Malaysia 32,00

106 Lebanon 32,50

107 Central African Republic 32,75

108 Algeria 33,00

109 Guinea 33,17

110 Egypt 34,25

- Indonesia 34,25

- Rwanda 34,25

113 Azerbaijan 34,50

- Tajikistan 34,50

115 Qatar 35,00

- Turkey 35,00

117 Bahrain 35,17

118 Guinea-Bissau 35,25

- Philippines 35,25

120 Djibouti 35,50

121 Mauritania 36,67

122 United Arab Emirates 37,00

- Jordan 37,00

124 Ethiopia 37,50

- Iraq 37,50

- Swaziland 37,50

127 Democratic Republic of Congo 38,50

128 India 39,00

- Pakistan 39,00

130 Palestinian Authority 39,25

131 Morocco 39,67

132 Liberia 40,00

- Ukraine 40,00

134 Afghanistan 40,17

135 United States of America (in Iraq) 41,00

136 Yemen 41,83

137 Côte d'Ivoire 42,17

138 Kazakhstan 42,50

139 Equatorial Guinea 44,75

140 Somalia 45,00

141 Zimbabwe 45,50

142 Sudan 45,75

143 Bangladesh 46,50

144 Singapore 47,33

145 Maldives 47,50

146 Israel (Occupied Territories) 49,00

147 Colombia 49,17

148 Russia 49,50

149 Tunisia 50,83

150 Nepal 51,50

151 Belarus 52,00

152 Oman 57,75

153 Libya 60,00

154 Uzbekistan 61,50

155 Syria 67,50

156 Saudi Arabia 71,50

157 Bhutan 77,33

158 Turkmenistan 82,83

159 Vietnam 89,17

160 Iran 89,33

161 China 91,25

162 Eritrea 91,50

163 Laos 94,83

164 Burma 95,50

165 Cuba 97,83

166 North Korea 99,50

 

 

How the ranking was compiled

This ranking measures the state of press freedom in the world. It reflects the degree of freedom that journalists and news organisations enjoy in each country, and the efforts undertaken by the state to respect and ensure respect for this freedom.

 

It is a snapshot of the situation in a precise period. It only takes account of events between 1 September 2002 and 1 September 2003. It does not look at human rights violations in general, just press freedom violations.

 

To compile this ranking, Reporters Without Borders designed a questionnaire with 53 criteria for assessing the state of press freedom in each country. It includes every kind of violation directly affecting journalists (such as murders, imprisonment, physical attacks and threats) and news media (censorship, confiscation of issues, searches and harassment). It registers the degree of impunity enjoyed by those responsible for these press freedom violations. It takes account of the legal and judicial situation affecting the news media (such as the penalties for press offences, the existence of a state monopoly in certain areas and the existence of a regulatory body) and the behaviour of the authorities towards the state-owned news media and international press. It also takes account of the main obstacles to the free flow of information on the Internet.

 

Reporters Without Borders has taken account not only of abuses attributable to the state, but also those by armed militia, clandestine organisations or pressure groups that can pose a real threat to press freedom.

 

The questionnaire was sent to people who have a deep knowledge of the state of press freedom in a country or a number of countries: local journalists or foreign reporters based in a country, researchers, jurists, regional specialists and the researchers working for Reporters Without Borders' International Secretariat.

 

The countries that were ranked are those for which Reporters Without Borders received completed questionnaires from a number of independent sources. Others were not included because of a lack of reliable, well-supported input. In cases of ties, countries were ranked by alphabetical order.

 

Finally, in no case should this ranking be viewed as an indication of the quality of the press in the countries concerned. Reporters Without Borders defends press freedom, without taking a position on the quality of the editorial content of the news media. No account was taken of any breaches of professional ethics or codes of conduct.

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Originally posted by Poop Man Bob

27 United Kingdom 4,25

28 Portugal 5,17

29 Benin 5,25

30 Timor-Leste 5,50

31 Greece 6,00

- United States of America (American territory) 6,00

 

OH YEAH!!!!!!!!

 

good post PMB. how the hell did you find that? are you a journalist or something?

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Originally posted by E MARTYR

bobby-

 

did i fuck your sister or something?

 

you sure have been fond of drinking the haterade, then looking in my direction.

 

please, give me 50 feet.

 

*dusts shoulders off*

 

what's so outrageous about him thinking you're a dipshit?

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you can do what you want here until you get caught for it. for some of us it may or may not take longer.

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Guest imported_El Mamerro

There's not really any more freedom here than in other places in the world... just more money to be made.

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I dont really think that freedom of speech is that limited

in the US, but I do believe that special interest groups are

the force that censors what people say.

 

Let's say that Bill Nye the Science Guy was to talk about evolution.

That's perfectly fine untill the bible belt creationists lobby the network

and the sponsors untill Bill is removed from the air. That's why so many

freedoms are 'bought' in the US. You can say whatever you want (except

for the Patriot Act issue) but if you dont represent the largest target group

of consumers... expect someone to shut your ass up quick fast.

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Originally posted by BASF

good post PMB. how the hell did you find that? are you a journalist or something?

 

Naw, I just knew the list existed and used Google.

 

* I can't spell for siht.

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Originally posted by Kilo7-

You can say whatever you want (except

for the Patriot Act issue) but if you dont represent the largest target group

of consumers... expect someone to shut your ass up quick fast.

 

exactly.

the 'freedom' to stand in your back yard and shout at the moon, isn't much of a freedom. and in fact, by allowing us the 'freedom' of speech, it lessens the value of the words we say.

in china, or north korea, every word counts and when people speak they're listened to. in america, you could be jesus christ standing on the street corner preaching the salvation of mankind, and someone would just mug you.

 

if you have 100 people in a room who all have the 'right' to speak, you cant hear anyone. but if only one person is talking, you can hear (and rationally judge) what they say.

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^yes. (skip above tease's post)

 

the biggest 'problem' with american free speech is that

only the loudest voice gets heard in most cases.

You can try to deliver a message but if someone else is

going to yell 'shut up' though a megaphone, no one will hear you.

And then to create more 'volume', people add razzle dazzle, tits

and neon lights to the message untill no one can even focus on

the original message anymore.

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