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what is time and eternity?

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I realized today that I'm being heavily influenced by subconscious drives. It's been a fairly disturbing realization. I'm getting glimpses of invisable fears that are directing my thoughts and course in life.

 

I know Freud, Jung or some other psychologist dude elaborates on this phenomenon. If everybody else is like me then the world is not nearly as rational a place as I once thought it to be. I'm looking forward to explaining the actions of people I encounter tomorrow through this theory of subconscious drives.

 

Has anybody else ever noticed the hidden power of drives manifesting themsevlves in your lives?

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i've definately noticed that, pretty much your emotions and subconscious instincts govern much more of your conscious thought than you think....and Zack Morris, im just finishing that book....

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Originally posted by Xeroshoes:

i've definately noticed that, pretty much your emotions and subconscious instincts govern much more of your conscious thought than you think....and Zack Morris, im just finishing that book....

 

 

isn't that book great?..its been a while since I read it...I think I might start reading it again.

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hell yes, and i got the new hardcover illustrated version with an extra chapter on wormholes and time travel...im probably gonna have to read through it again though to make sure i remember and understand everything....

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The best analogy describing eternity went like this:

 

Your on a planet in front of a mountain watching it. and every week a bird comes by and scrapes a piece of this titanic mountain away with its beak.

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yeah....im loving this topic....

the closest i ever got to this type of stuff was a brief study of the chaos theory....if you arent familiar with it id suggest checking it out....

 

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brick, brick ,brick...thats how i be up against your girlfriends ass...

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wow, maybe i should check the post b4 i talk...i guess the question i sent never went through or something?? strange...that was a while ago...my question was SUPPOSED to be that if something travels the speed of light and we arent supposed to be able to detect that...then how do we know what the speed of light is

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hmmm....well the speed of light is, obviously, the speed at which light waves travel, so thats how we know WHAT the speed of light is. Though my guess as to why other things are undetectable at that speed, would be that the certain properties of light that let it "light" things up make it the only thing detectable at such a speed....but i realy dont know

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Im likin this thread. I thinki when an object is thrusted as fast as the speed of light, the object, and object only, would cease to exist. You'd go into a whole other dimension where everything is stopped. The world around you would not know you ever existed. Very interesting stuff about time though...I occasionally ponder on time itself and what it really is. I dont think there is such a time its just something there to make evrything a bit more organized. Same thing with the end of the world...myans say that the next time perios ends december 20, 2012. i think thats bull shit. what if theres no such thing as time, and how do we now were exact with the "real time" of earths destruction? I dunno...i feel like im rambling, sorry

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think of time as just another coordinate to identify the location of any object in space-time. Like to find the location of an object in space you need to know it coordinates on an x and y axis, plus its distance away. to find the location in space-time you need these 3 coordinates, plus its location in time.

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my point was to go against the comment that the world would not exist. i am saying that the object would not exist, due to perception, to the rest of the world. also the rest of the world would not exist, due to the fact that, say a person could handle that speed, you would not be able to see any light, nor hear, smell, etc. all would still exist, but not to each other. in a practical way it would not exist due to no record or being able to still obtain proof of it while it is travaling that speed. although if the object slowed it could be detected by both parties and would have existed the whole time and earth would not have ended at all.

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im sure mny of you have thought of this also.. but here..

 

if the object 'ceases to exist' (cease to exist meaning.. it exists.. but can not be detected by us, and it cannot detect us) then how do we know that these particles that scientists are pushing (for lack of a better word because my mind went blank), trying to reach the speed of light, have not? some one said that scientists made the particles go 99.99% of the speed of light. well. if the particles reached the speed of light, we wouldnt be able to detect them, and apparently when they slow they end up at the same point in 'time' that they left, which means, we will never truly know if you have accelerated a particle to the speed of light, unless we are able to accelerate a human to that speed. and the question has to be asked, is conciousness able to exist at light speed? or would we just end up in a different place as soon as we decelerate, at the same point in 'time' as when we left. i hope this made sense.

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hm.. this is a very rough question but..

could death be the speed of light? or could death be just a different speed of.. i dont know. does anyone know or have an idea of what im trying to say?

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Edit because my fucking brother thinks its funny to interject the phrase "Did I also mention I love cocks? Sucking the head is the best part." while I'm away from the computer. Anyways...

 

Whether an object ceases or not to exist upon reaching the speed of light is a moot point. This is not a "what if" scenario, it simply can't happen. As Zack Morris stated, to move a particle that fast would require infinite energy, and that just doesn't happen, period, so you can stop worrying about it. The speed of light is a physical constant: If you were to run behind a photon traveling at full speed, even if you reached the same speed it has, it would still travel away from you at the speed of light as if you were standing still.

 

Also, on entropy, Zack kinda does have the gist of it, but maybe a little off (or maybe I just read it wrong). To stay within the room analogy, when your room is neat and clean, and everything is organized, almost any rearrangement will disturb its highly ordered organization. This means it has low entropy. However, if your room is a mess, numerous rearrangements (moving your shoes from here to there, junk mail, etc.) will leave it a mess and therefore not disturb its overall appearance. This accounts for its having high entropy. What's funny is that this seemingly vague characteristic of systems is actually measurable. Entropy is a fully quantitative quantum-mechanical concept that precisely measures the overall disorder of a physical system.

 

Anyways, "Brief History of Time" is ill, no doubt, but physics have come ahead since that book came out. Pick up "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene, it's just as good to read as Hawkins', and it's a lot more up to date. It even includes a chapter that continues entropy and Hawkins' black hole theory and fits it into quantum physics through superstring theory. Beer,

 

El Mamerro

 

[This message has been edited by El Mamerro (edited 09-04-2001).]

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I have been feeling this alot lately..As if time does really stand still..and that I am in this big void space and everything is still and moving simultaneously.I find it intresting to ponder where our measuremnets of time come from..I mean a second just passed..but it meant nothing to me..Time to me rolls more along the lines of my thoughts..How long did it take me to realize I was thinking.How long or short it took my thought process to develop into a space where a "topic" or idea ends in some from of result..like how long it took to think of the color combo on a piece and decided that was it and forced it out of my skull inot realiy on a wall.That type of measurement for myself.

And now I am going to go think about how I can slow my time down....hmmm

 

good topic..bump

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on the subject of entropy....Zack you are wrong in that moving boxes into an organized formation actually does decrease entropy, but at the same time you increase entropy by doing it, it works like this: Say you have a puzzle. If you put this puzle together, you decrease entropy in the universe by 300 points. But at the same time, the heat you give off through bodily functions adds 3,000,000 points to the entropy in teh universe. This works with everything anyone/thing can do to organize something, it always creates more disorder than the amount of order it creates. Also, it is interesting that in our universe, it will be impossible for life to exist after the universe has ceased expansion and begun to implode. this is because about the time our universe begins to shrink, if it does, disorder will have increased so much that organized life forms such as ourselves will not exist, unless a life form somehow manages to survive many many many billion years into the future. Once the universe begins to shrink, time, in the psychological sense, may actually run backwards, as order increases. But im not entirely sure about teh shrinking phase of the universe so ill top talking for now......

 

[This message has been edited by Xeroshoes (edited 09-05-2001).]

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ahh! iv fallen off the topic, so many good points have been made, im with xeroshoes one hundred percent on that last post of his. i wish i could make more comments, but my head is all messed up and im not thinking straight!

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vaguely off topic, anybody read time quake?

about the earth stopping expansion and starting to shrink, so everyone goes back ten years and relives their lives the exact same way, almost like they were performing a play. not scientifically valid, but interesting nonetheless.

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