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ubejinxed

fingerprinting visitors

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i don't know if anyone posted this yet, but i find this outrageous..

 

two articles i've seen thus far on it.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/05/fingerpri...gram/index.html

 

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Up to 28 million visitors to the United States now have to stop for photographs and fingerprinting under a new government program launched Monday and intended to make it harder for terrorists to enter the country.

 

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said the new US-VISIT program applies to any visitors who must have a visa to enter the United States.

 

By October, all visitors will be required to have a machine-readable passport or some other method of biometric identification, such as fingerprints or retina scans.

 

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/01/...s.ap/index.html

 

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Brazilian federal police said Thursday they were not ready to begin fingerprinting all U.S. citizens entering Brazil in line with a judge's sudden order to launch the program, which matches the treatment Brazilians get when the enter the United States.

 

On Monday, Julier Sebastiao da Silva, a federal judge in Mato Grosso state, ordered the move in response to new regulations requiring citizens from 27 countries -- including Brazil -- to be fingerprinted and photographed upon entering the United States as an anti-terrorism measure.

 

more ... Outside the United States, there has been a backlash as well.

 

In reaction to the U.S. policy, Brazil last week began fingerprinting and photographing American visitors arriving at Sao Paulo's airport. Brazil's Foreign Ministry has also requested that Brazilians be removed from the U.S. list.

 

Ridge said that "if the Brazilian government thinks it's in their interests (to fingerprint and photograph Americans), so be it."

 

"It's not two standards, one for the United States and one for the rest of the world," he said.

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oh yah>

 

Citizens from more than two dozen countries, mostly in Europe, aren't required to carry a visa if their visit is less than 90 days. Visitors from those countries are exempt.

 

Visitors from exempt countries who are working in the United States, however, require a work visa, and therefore must leave their fingerprints and photographs with U.S. authorities.

 

"We want visitors from abroad to continue to come to the United States, but we also want to secure our borders," Ridge said.

 

 

 

 

- yah right are people going to come visit, it's becoming so hostile. this is going to kill our tourism industry and create even more resentment internationally. i wouldn't go to a country that treated me like a criminal b4 even entering.

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this actually doesnt really bother me all that much. nor would it bother me if another country expected me to get finger printed upon entry. i had to jump through flaming hoops to go to vietnam, and just sort of chalked it up as being 'how it goes'.

as long as israel is on the list of those who need to get printed, i think there are alot more important, nefarious things to focus on.

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ugh, I'm so sick of all these so-called anti-terrorism measures.

The part that really freaks me out is the retina scans.

 

I was watching this segment on 20/20 once where they were saying that in the near future people walking down the street would have their retinas scanned by cameras to see if they were wanted criminals or not.

 

and to think, theres so much more stuff (conspiracies and whatnot) that we don't know about.

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Originally posted by CinchedWaist

 

I was watching this segment on 20/20 once where they were saying that in the near future people walking down the street would have their retinas scanned by cameras to see if they were wanted criminals or not.

 

 

that was in some movie... i forgot the name..hmm

 

yah i agree, i hope that all of these 'protective measures' do not go much farther, i'm already not comfortable with the level of invasiveness

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How do the retina scans work? Does it scan through the pupil to the back of the eyeball? Would color or painted contacts affect them in any way?

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Big government is over.

From now on, instead of

community

you will be left

in the Market place

to fend for yourselves

claw for yourselves

stab for yourselves

guard for yourselves

what little money, savings, dignity and shelter

you have left.

 

 

After your jobs are downsized and

exported to Mexico,

tennishoes made by slaves in camps in Indonesia,

computer jobs sent across the ocean to Indonesia,

you will be next unless you bow down to the gar boots

and throw your benefits away

your raises away

and this is all you have to look forward to

forever and ever and ever.

 

 

As more and more benefits are slashed,

no more tax and spend welfare state

the windfall from tax cuts for the rich

is more and more people

out in the cold on the street!

Begging for money.

And when that doesn't work,

robbing people

car jacking

home invasion

everyone taught

that life is so cheap

there's nothing to look forward to

except what you can score

and smoke and get higher.

 

 

Ending welfare as we know it

means third world crime

as we know it.

So why is it all these

young people today misbehave

misbehave, misbehave?

 

 

Don't they appreciate the world we've build for them?

Crappy jobs,

dog eat dog.

No compassion in the marketplace.

If you like school

you'll love work.

Instead they ditch work

and hang out on the street:

young culture

young hooligans

on tv anyway

and in the newspaper.

More and more people

will poor in the street

as their rents go up

and job opportunities go down.

So we have to keep them down

before they rise up and burn our

house of cards to the ground.

 

 

It's just the cost of doing business

in third world countries where we keep the peasants down.

We have to live in armed compounds with armed guards,

play tennis at gunpoint.

 

 

A different route to work behind bullet proof glass each day,

but hey, the more the hoards hate you the more

status you have.

Why not do this with the whole world?

with GAT treaties, downsizing but what about those god damned

hooligans in the street?

We stole their future.

It's all their fault!

We must lock them up,

but there is no room in the jails

so the best way is to sweep them away,

make every home a prison today.

Curfew, Curfew

Who cares how much our leaders are corupt, as long as they are tough

on crime?

Curfew

Keep them away!

Curfew

No longer unauthorized activity.

 

 

You can't leave the home without an electronic ankle bracelet.

Young offenders must be tagged and watched at all times.

Tag their parents with bracelets too if they don't obey!

For that matter tag them at work and make them stay.

 

 

The main enemy

terrorist threat

is your own children.

Think about it:

The music they listen to

that tells them the world is bad.

It's the songs that are the problem

not the violence outside.

Keep them locked up!

Keep them in Curfew!

Put them away!

Don't let them out!

We are tougher on crime

before the election.

We want a national law

establishing children's bedtimes.

Bedtime Patrol

We'll check up on you.

Bedtime Patrol

Make sure that your bracelet is on.

The nanny state,

to reach down your pants and check and see if you've been

moistening yourself with any unauthorized substance without permission.

Tag them!

Curfew them!

Keep them down!

Keep them at home!

To school

to rent a video on the way home

and stay home

just like at work.

Do not gather after dark.

Curfew!

It's such a family oriented word,

a much more acceptable smiling soft word,

a much more palletable concept

than Marshall Law.

Put your bracelets on.

You are safer when you are watched.

Don't go outside.

You will set the alarm off!

Curfew

Forever

and ever and evvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Tom Ridge told me it's gonna protect our borders.... inside of little buildings... no mention of the actual geographic borders that are still easily infiltrated.

 

Anyway, one thing is sure, those fucking terrorists won't be vacationing here goddammit!

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seriously, what about the canadian terrorist tourists?

 

someone could get a canadian passport and come on over...

 

this is so silly.

 

and i'm mad i'm going to have to be fingerprinted to go to brazil... vindictive mofos

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Borders outside of the U.S. are pretty nuts.. or at least I noticed Amsterdam and Germany have no where near the security we do; even prior to 9/11.

 

I've snuck in and out of Amsterdam International customs without having shit checked. There's these weird booths you go through when you're leaving the airport and then there's these weird giant sliding glass doors... well, I walked around the booths and opened the door with my hands. Did the same thing to re-enter.

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Originally posted by ubejinxed

that was in some movie... i forgot the name..hmm

 

yah i agree, i hope that all of these 'protective measures' do not go much farther, i'm already not comfortable with the level of invasiveness

 

the movie is minority report. i just caught it on the other day.

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Guest imported_Europe

This is so stupid. What are they gonna do with all these prints and photos anyway?

Americas biggest thread is America itself, the enemy is gonna come from within.

Keep importing more guns...

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Originally posted by capitalstPIG

^ it's "threat", smart one, and we don't import guns, we make 'em right here in the good ole US of A.

 

it's a very lucrative business.

 

:nope: :rolleyes:

 

Hahaha.. silly faggot.

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Originally posted by ubejinxed

seriously, what about the canadian terrorist tourists?

 

someone could get a canadian passport and come on over...

 

hahahahahaha... canadain terrorists! HA!

It's not as easy to get a canadian passport as the US officials might lead you to believe.

 

on a side note:

 

There's a game out for xbox called 'Rainbow 6' where you fight terrorists.

In an early version of the game you have to fight Quebec Seperatists

who've highjacked a train. The game got pulled because there are no

'quebec terrorists' anymore. It happened for like 3 months in the 70's

and I think they only kidnapped one guy.

Now the greeks and 17N.....

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Originally posted by 26SidedCube

:nope: :rolleyes:

 

Hahaha.. silly faggot.

 

thanks for using that word. it was really necessary.

 

you idiotic rumpshaker.

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Originally posted by capitalstPIG

why do you care? it's called quid pro quo.

sorry it interferes with your brazilian man fetish, sweetie.

 

i am sorry too my friend, good thing there are anough of em in my neighborhood.

 

i think it's funny that they mandated americans to be fingerprinted, i'd do the same damn thing just to show us how silly we are being. i don't really care, i just think that fingerprinting tourists to the US is a bit excessive.

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wasn't there some law (possibly in the constitution)

that you dont have to be fingerprinted unless you've been charged

with a crime or suspected of being an accomplis or a conspirator?

 

Seem like an invasion of personal privacy.

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Originally posted by banjo bob

because these people aren't american citizens, they aren't

guaranteed any of the rights in the constitution.

 

I was always under the impression that anyone on american soil

was to be treated failry with all the rights of an ammerican.

I guess that changed.

 

And on the other hand, many americans expect that their rights

as americans will be respected when they travel to other countries.

Should this also be the case?

 

Eventually this action will bankrupt the economy or change the USA in a nation of 'spys-for-hire'

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Guest imported_Tesseract

Whats the point in fingerprinting a suicide bomber?

 

 

anyway, go brazil!!!

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Originally posted by Europe

This is so stupid. What are they gonna do with all these prints and photos anyway?

 

They're gonna put them in a big old database and 'track' foreigners... it's just some smoke and mirrors, plus false justification, so they can build an internal database so they can 'track' everyone.

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