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Yesterday on TV I heard that CSX, a very long time ago (it wasn't even called CSX back then), used black slavery to build their railroad system.

What do ya'll think about that

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i don't see why you'd be surprised... but i think they actually gave up a few hundred mill in restitution... i might be thinking of some insurance company though

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Shit, the CPR killed 100s of chinese laborers in the course of spanning the rockies. All the railroads back around that time required massive amounts of cheap labour, do the math. No idea what kind of restitution was payed, but I think the largest railroads have payed at some point or another.

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Slavery? I dunno about that, it could be possible though, but your talking a very very long time ago. More than likely it was cheap black labor in the south, trackwork was seen as a menial task. Like Ese was saying about the Chinese labor, but these workers weren't working against their will, they chose to, it was money to support their families and what not. Alot of the early railroad workers laying tracks were immigrants during that time...

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Numerous immigrants got fucked by the railroads! The railroad companies are incredibly powerful companies. They made a profit and ran a business the same way numerous others have done in the same manner. It is fucked up, in some ways, what they did, but they did it years ago. You wouldn't even know them today the same way if they didn't do what they did. I don't approve but I can't argue with having boxcars to paint.

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i dont really care if any railroad was built using slave labor. im sure ALOt of shit in this country was done with such. its fucking bullshit for these companies to have to pay restitution for the doings of generations before. im sure it would be totally cool in peoples eyes if they were built on labor from inmates/chain gangs.

just like that fat drugged up dude that died when the police were restraining him.

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Originally posted by hottnickels

i say, another excuse to write on their property :o

 

totally!

 

its funny someone brought this up, especially since i did my senior thesis on a very similar topic.

 

In the days railroads were being organized (early 19th century) rr officials often traveled from town to small town in the south to solicit funds and supplies from plantation owners. In return they were given stocks in that railroad and promises that the railroad would make their business much more profitable because their goods could be transported with much greater efficiency. Many plantation owners, already devilishly greedy, offered slave labor in lieu of funds or supplies, because slave labor was free and didn’t cost anything to lend out. On top of that the rr would still give the plantation owners stock in the company. 2 dozen mergers and almost 200 years later you have companies like CSX and NS, whose predecessors participated in this exploitation of slave labor to build their empires. So yes the railroads initial years of construction was built using slave labor. This is exclusive to the south however, because by the time railroads began to form, slavery was outlawed in the northern region of the US. Throughout the 19th century the rr exploited poor people from all backgrounds (even white people) to get the job done. But to answer your question yes its fucked up but its history, and a few million dollars doesn’t even begin to compensate for 400+ years of slavery, that’s a joke. That’s almost as bad as saying native American compensation is complete because they have reservations and a couple of casinos out west. The American railroad is built on land stolen from indigenous people, labor stolen from African slaves and expansion and maintenance stolen from all sorts of people. They have a lot of karma to answer for so when the issue of rr being private property comes up its really just a joke to me. Fuck private, the railroad is probably technically the most public industry out there.

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Originally posted by angelofdeath

i dont really care if any railroad was built using slave labor. im sure ALOt of shit in this country was done with such. its fucking bullshit for these companies to have to pay restitution for the doings of generations before. im sure it would be totally cool in peoples eyes if they were built on labor from inmates/chain gangs.

just like that fat drugged up dude that died when the police were restraining him.

 

prison labor was exploited - not necessarily for the railroad though.

do you think its bullshit for the german government to pay restitution to jews for the holocaust? probably not right, i mean who gives a fuck about a bunch of savage african slaves - the jews are chosen.

 

and if the dude in ohio was just a one time thing then yeah okay, but the fact that its a pattern is why people should take issue with it.

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Originally posted by angelofdeath

i dont really care if any railroad was built using slave labor. im sure ALOt of shit in this country was done with such. its fucking bullshit for these companies to have to pay restitution for the doings of generations before. im sure it would be totally cool in peoples eyes if they were built on labor from inmates/chain gangs.

just like that fat drugged up dude that died when the police were restraining him.

 

woah.

 

those are some crazy parallels being drawn..

i have no clue how you think a dead criminal in ohio relates to slavery restitution or csx using slave labor.

 

just because a lot of companies used slave labor that means it's ok?

 

or just because it was so long ago?

 

isn't it curious that there is no statute of limitations on violent crimes like murder? you don't think that there are some wounds time does not heal, some places in society that will never be achieved due to attitudes like this?

 

just because the entire u.s. was founded on raping and pillaging does not make it ok..just because several races were nearly destroyed by a white man's dream of domination hundreds of years ago, does not make it less relevant today.

 

 

...and like i said, another excuse for fucking up their property..

 

zedsded said it best...

...The American railroad is built on land stolen from indigenous people, labor stolen from African slaves and expansion and maintenance stolen from all sorts of people. They have a lot of karma to answer for so when the issue of rr being private property comes up its really just a joke to me. Fuck private, the railroad is probably technically the most public industry out there.

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great jebus..... lets see i dont think 6 million black slaves were killed in a matter of what 10 years tops. germany was sentenced what ever they were sentenced immediately following the defeat of the nazi regime. who are they gonna pay a bunch of dead people? what does money accomplish paying to the families? does it bring back their loved ones? i have heard some crap about descendants of slaves from 300 hundred years ago wanting restitution etc for someones actions when it was LEGAL to own slaves? thats ludicris. and who should pay for that? tax payers? and jeez about taking land from native americans, blah blah, most certainly its true. its what happens when people get conquered. im not saying its morally right, but i mean rome conquered all of europe people dont bitch about that? would we be living where we are today if it wasnt for our history? i guess shit was fucked up, but cmon this is a decent country. i mean i dont mind living here. or we could all just go back to living like cave men. or no wait... fuck the native americans this was the animals continent before thier broke asses walked over the land bridge.

 

and the dude wouldnt of gotten beat down if he wouldnt of started swinging on the guy. its not the cops fault he was on coke, pcp, methadone and fat and obese and trying to swing at them. seriously if it was a fat mexican, asian, latino, white etc etc......... shit wouldnt of even hit the news, but its now RACE issue. people turn shit into racial things way to much. i mean seriously how many racist cops are their that abuse power out of the whole country????????????????

 

i just think the whole thing is FUNNY

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i wish i had more info to give ... but according to a history channel documentary hundreds of thousand american POWs in either ww1 or ww2 were used as slave labor until death to build a railroad , for the asians . never feeding them or lettin them have any brakes. if you stopped workin you were beatin to death . they accomplished a very lot in a short time period under rediculas conditions .

they almost had it complete, when the japanese ??? realized they were losing the war they pushed harder for completion only to have a couple pow escape and report back to the US . then we blow it all up . like i said at the beginning i wish i had better info to give on the subject, but its been a while sence i first saw it ... oh yeah it was soon after pearl harbor that the construction of the rr started . if some one want to do the research im sure its not that hard to find out .

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Originally posted by angelofdeath

great jebus..... lets see i dont think 6 million black slaves were killed in a matter of what 10 years tops. germany was sentenced what ever they were sentenced immediately following the defeat of the nazi regime. who are they gonna pay a bunch of dead people? what does money accomplish paying to the families? does it bring back their loved ones? i have heard some crap about descendants of slaves from 300 hundred years ago wanting restitution etc for someones actions when it was LEGAL to own slaves? thats ludicris. and who should pay for that? tax payers? and jeez about taking land from native americans, blah blah, most certainly its true. its what happens when people get conquered. im not saying its morally right, but i mean rome conquered all of europe people dont bitch about that? would we be living where we are today if it wasnt for our history? i guess shit was fucked up, but cmon this is a decent country. i mean i dont mind living here. or we could all just go back to living like cave men. or no wait... fuck the native americans this was the animals continent before thier broke asses walked over the land bridge.

 

and the dude wouldnt of gotten beat down if he wouldnt of started swinging on the guy. its not the cops fault he was on coke, pcp, methadone and fat and obese and trying to swing at them. seriously if it was a fat mexican, asian, latino, white etc etc......... shit wouldnt of even hit the news, but its now RACE issue. people turn shit into racial things way to much. i mean seriously how many racist cops are their that abuse power out of the whole country????????????????

 

i just think the whole thing is FUNNY

 

your right 6-million africans did not die over a 10 year span. 15million africans were slaughtered on the middle passage alone. that is bringing stolen african slaves to the us and caribbean. not to mention the physical and psychological genocide that was prepetuated over the course of the pequluar institution of slavery.

and getting land stolen is what just happens when people get conqured. well then how is that different from saying the murder of 6-million is just what happens when a race decides to clense itself.

 

and yeah the guy in ohio was on drugs but you havent seen the entire tape have you. maybe he stole that pig out of self defense...no matter how you feel about it you dont know, yet you have convicted him because the media has you and the rest of the sheeple convinced that the cops were justified. for the sake of arguement in this case they were justified. okay but what about rodney king, he was riding around with 2 transvestites and had a warrant or two so i guess thats how you serve warrants to black motorist right. what about abner luima, he was haitian immigrant - i guess thats how you intitiate the deportation process in your eyes huh? and these are just the cases that made the news. the fact that this is a pattern is the issue, not the fact that it happened again recently. and dont get it twisted, it goes the same way when the cops are black. im against police brutality...not police brutality against black people or latino people, or asian people or white people. see right there is where the media has got your mind in the smash. racism is only a symtom of series of larger issues...believe that because its very profitable for the media to perpetuate this nonstop cycle of bullshit.

 

and as far as people who are usually the victims of the race issue always pulling the race card...well damn if you play cards at all you know that you have to play the hand your dealt, pun totally intended!

 

im not trying to argue with you or even make a race issue out of this because its far from that. but your signature alone proves that you are not interested in understanding, and im not preaching to you or judging you cause i know a lot of people that believe like you do. i think thats your right, its america and thats what makes it the greatest country on earth. im just sayin shit isnt always as cut and dry - i mean social and political issues - as they may seem. the world did not begin when you were born. 9-11, as tragic as it was was 100% cause and effect. if you cant even slightly see that then you watch way too much television.

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...angel...it's people like you that make it hard for me to sleep at night...i can only hope that you are about tweleve and just don't know any better yet...

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HAHA i just seriously have more important shit to do than lose sleep over this stuff, i mean working 45 hours a week, painting freights atleast 4 nights a week and usually all weekend, getting paint, hanging out with friends and stuff just leaves little time for intellectualizing on my part. sorry you havent left mommy and daddy yet and have nothing else in real life to lose sleep over.

and guys my signature more than i ever would of thought has made people upset, its a fucking joke to offend, maybe i should join anal cunt.

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1. The act of restoring to the rightful owner something that has been taken away, lost, or surrendered. See Synonyms at reparation.

2. The act of making good or compensating for loss, damage, or injury; indemnification.

3. A return to or restoration of a previous state or position.

 

The african-americans of today are not owed anything. Nothing was taken away from them, if they still live in the slums it's their own fault, not mine or my parents fault. I would completely agree with paying off people who actually lived through it... but giving these people money today is like some dude paying me 100 dollars because my grandpa worked for him and he didn't give him any money for it.

 

I don't expect any of you to agree with this, don't bother arguing your point.. i've heard it all before.

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...i left my parents long ago and i work full time and paint five nights a week...that has nothing to do with it...

 

...my worry comes from people like you believeing the bull shit that they're spoon fed on a daily basis...form thoughts of your own...

 

...if everything you're saying is just you being sarcastic and trying to make people upset...that's fine with me...that's probably the best thing to do with this internet site...but the biggest problem with the direction that the united states is going is the overwealming spread of apathy amongst people...that's what worries me...

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Originally posted by iloveboxcars

1. The act of restoring to the rightful owner something that has been taken away, lost, or surrendered. See Synonyms at reparation.

2. The act of making good or compensating for loss, damage, or injury; indemnification.

3. A return to or restoration of a previous state or position.

 

The african-americans of today are not owed anything. Nothing was taken away from them, if they still live in the slums it's their own fault, not mine or my parents fault. I would completely agree with paying off people who actually lived through it... but giving these people money today is like some dude paying me 100 dollars because my grandpa worked for him and he didn't give him any money for it.

 

I don't expect any of you to agree with this, don't bother arguing your point.. i've heard it all before.

 

na dude, i agree 100%

 

but about being fed bullshit, honestly the only opinions i hear are the same as yours. i mean granted im not in the ARA, im not a racist person at all. feeling sorry for people is just not my way. im not a good samaritin. i seriously cant help or feel sorry for people trying to milk the system or people trying to just plain out get money from the govt for no reason.

and i mean maybe im just not political enough, but i dont write because i have some secret political agenda behind me. i heard this dude once being like..." we write to destroy the machine, to say fuck the corporation...." i was like... "NA MAN. i just think its fun." so i think the whole... "its another reason to write on csx's shit." is dumb. but hey whatever floats your boat.

im sure your the same people trying to find csx shirts and hats and wear railroad patches, and are all about writing on trains to get back at them.

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Originally posted by angelofdeath

, blah blah, most certainly its true. its what happens when people get conquered. im not saying its morally right, but i mean rome conquered all of europe people dont bitch about that?

 

Glad to hear you feel this way. Its nice to know that if I kick your little faggot ass and take your paint you'll just shrug it off and say "hey, that's what happens when people get conquered".

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Originally posted by angelofdeath

HAHA i just seriously have more important shit to do than lose sleep over this stuff, i mean working 45 hours a week, painting freights atleast 4 nights a week and usually all weekend, getting paint, hanging out with friends and stuff just leaves little time for intellectualizing on my part. sorry you havent left mommy and daddy yet and have nothing else in real life to lose sleep over.

and guys my signature more than i ever would of thought has made people upset, its a fucking joke to offend, maybe i should join anal cunt.

 

i dont think anyone is losing sleep over this bro.

and you have made it blatantly clear that you dont have the capacity to think for yourself. its all good though. we love you anyway.:lol:

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Originally posted by iloveboxcars

The african-americans of today are not owed anything. Nothing was taken away from them, if they still live in the slums it's their own fault, not mine or my parents fault. I would completely agree with paying off people who actually lived through it... but giving these people money today is like some dude paying me 100 dollars because my grandpa worked for him and he didn't give him any money for it.

 

its always amazing how this works for the jews and their famlies and their decendants. but when it comes to the holocaust, but when african slaves or the native american comes up everyone is like fuck these new niggers, or these foreigners (mexicans are the decendants of the people who occupied this country before the white man came with his system of domination destruction and death) they dont deserve shit. they were never slaves, these mexicans didnt own shit round here.

 

like i said from the onset, its not really an arguement because everyone has their own opinion. its just that people are quick to say im not a racist, and then come with some shit like this and have no understanding. but it dosent matter - no sleep lost, trust me.

 

i dont really expexct americans to understand anything that requires thought anyway unless it comes on cnn.

 

"if ignorance is bliss, then you must be the happiest motherfucker on the planet."

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