GucciCondom Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by E MARTYR you arent a whiteboy loc'd out wearing nothing but blue fubu gear and shoes with blue laces with a slight limp in your walk strolling through a gated community are you? if not, thats fucked up that they messing with you b!!! RACIAL PROFILING LIKE WHOA! Well I live in a suburb right outside of Philly..its not particularly upscale or anything..and theres some people who wear that type of shit..but I don't think I dress bad enough to provoke the police like that..I just stay with a pair of regular jeans..plain (non 3X) t-shirt and a fitted. And they fuck with pretty much everyone..the freak-looking kids..the bmx kids..everyone..but I have noticed that whenever I was with my one boy the cop let us go after seeing his military I.D. Hes german as fuck and seems like a nazi..his dads in the special forces. And lately we could be drunk as shit all stumbling and they won't pull us over if I'm with him for some reason. The cops are weird though..the ones who usually roll through my parts are the "badasses" who have a reputation of being an asshole. Theres others though that I have heard stories about them getting out of there cars and people from Philly just saying "GET BACK IN YOUR CAR YOU FUCKING SUBURBAN COP" and they get shook and roll out. But for the most part the cops are just bored and have no real crimes to be out solving so they decide to roll through here and abuse their power to make easy arrests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GucciCondom Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Well what you brought up was the truth..because the ones who look overly G'd-out are the ones always getting stopped and locked up for possession and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GucciCondom Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 HIT THE SUBMIT BUTTON TWICE WHAT THE FUCK. PaYgE TeW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TEARZ Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 i agree with dusty 100%. honestly the cops exercised restraint just in the fact that they didn't shoot the dude. they would have been legally justified in doing so. in dealing with PCP in particular, cops are trained not to use pepper spray or mace EVER. the reason is that people on PCP have reacted violently in custody- some have died while in custody due to a reaction of the drug with pepper spray. furthermore, the shit just doesn't work with people on pcp- and people have done shit like literally claw their own eyes out. so they couldn't have "just maced him." honestly, a 350lb dude on coke and pcp has a 50% chance of having a heart attack just walking down the street, let alone getting in an aerobic fight with the coppers. his fucking heart gave out- if the cops wanted to kill him they could have easily through far more direct means. let's face it. police do fucked up shit all the time and abuse their power often. but this really is not one of those cases, and is an extremely poor rallying point for people against police brutality. cincy has its own set of really bad problems that need attention. and it's really sad that this dude died. it sucks, and is pretty senseless. but it makes no sense to go screaming police brutality on this one, i'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlips Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 i remember seeing faces of death like 12 years ago and some guy was all fucked up on pcp i dont know what he did but the cops literally shot this guy so many times he didnt die until there was a big ass hole in his chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguy Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 that footage was fucked up. i genuinely believe that it was a case of excessive force, i mean, they beat they guy and he died as a result. it was ruled as a homicide by the coroner, nothing to do with the drugs in his system, his obesity, or his enlarged heart. as i have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old*824 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 yeah, but i showed love for the cop that got shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by TEARZ i agree with dusty 100%. honestly the cops exercised restraint just in the fact that they didn't shoot the dude. they would have been legally justified in doing so. in dealing with PCP in particular, cops are trained not to use pepper spray or mace EVER. the reason is that people on PCP have reacted violently in custody- some have died while in custody due to a reaction of the drug with pepper spray. furthermore, the shit just doesn't work with people on pcp- and people have done shit like literally claw their own eyes out. so they couldn't have "just maced him." honestly, a 350lb dude on coke and pcp has a 50% chance of having a heart attack just walking down the street, let alone getting in an aerobic fight with the coppers. his fucking heart gave out- if the cops wanted to kill him they could have easily through far more direct means. let's face it. police do fucked up shit all the time and abuse their power often. but this really is not one of those cases, and is an extremely poor rallying point for people against police brutality. cincy has its own set of really bad problems that need attention. and it's really sad that this dude died. it sucks, and is pretty senseless. but it makes no sense to go screaming police brutality on this one, i'm sorry. What you're saying is beyond dispute, but.. you did see the beating they gave to this guy, correct? Granted, he was on PCP and coke so he probably could have chewed his way out of a squad car at that point, but they had him on the ground for what seemed like long enough to cuff the guys hands and feet. What you said is true, though.. I supposed it's a judgement call... I only saw what was half-ass shown through the cruiser video. On a similar note... In a couple weeks I will have my own PCP ROBOT hoodie. I suggest everyone order a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by 26SidedCube What you're saying is beyond dispute, but.. you did see the beating they gave to this guy, correct? Granted, he was on PCP and coke so he probably could have chewed his way out of a squad car at that point, but they had him on the ground for what seemed like long enough to cuff the guys hands and feet. What you said is true, though.. I supposed it's a judgement call... I only saw what was half-ass shown through the cruiser video. they stopped hitting him once he was restrained. the whole time he was on the ground, they were trying to restrain him, not just thumping him to thump him. and like you said, or for others who dont have experience, dude was all keyed up and wetted out! and HUGE. and obviously aggeresive. they did what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISE Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I had no idea it made nationa news.... First off, this incident royally just fucked up my senior thesis. I am making a documentary about police and student relationships and now all of the officers I've had already talked to are backing out of their inerviews. I've been following this pretty closely just because it affects what I'm working on. Firstly, the police issued a statment saying that the police in the video were following proper procedure. Secondly the family of the man hired a 'civil rights' lawyer (fyi he's a local guy, He is a lawyer who advertises like a rapper. He's got big posters of himself with two chained pitbulls plastered all over the ghetto. And when he did this press conference he did it in his office, which had two HUGE scarface movie posters hanging on the wall.) but this lawyer held a press conference where he AGREES that the police in the video did follow PROPER police procedure. Just to clear that up. The debate: The first 90 seconds of the police tape are cut off, for whatever reason (technical or crooked cops, whatever). The police tape starts with him attacking the police and getting beat down. The question is what happened in those missing 60 seconds that made him attack the police? Did the police prevoke him? Did he bug out and start throwing 'bows? That is what is currently being investigated. They also aired the White Castle security camera's footage which just just useless because the quality was so bad you couldn't see anything. The inside footage shows him dancing around, but not being violent. But the paramedics and police were called for a reason. PCP: The city's coroner's office stated that he has PCP + Cocaine in his system. The family of the man is getting their own, independant autopsy done in another city (Indianapolis). They pretty much publically accussed the city's coroner's office of beaing corrupt. They stated several cases in the past where the media had been informed that the suspect had 'cocaine in his system'. While this is true, this does not mean that the individual was high at the time. I am not high while I write this, but that does not mean that there are no traces of drugs in my system. Intersting point. I don't know what happened or who was in the wrong, I just think this incident would not have gotten so much attention if it had happened in another city. The other police killings mentioned in this post I have never heard about. But the fact that the Cincinnati Police Dept. is involved immediatly makes it suspect. Oh, and the went to the same grade school as I did....only 30 years before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastsider Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by Dusty Lipschitz dude was all keyed up and wetted out! This type of slang is fucking annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WREK Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 http://tbssuperstation.com/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i1/alfonso_ribeiro.jpg'> teases' friend^^ you fucken idiot stop making up shit. "hey dude my black friend doest sweat slavery and hates black people here"...hahaha.. anyways... the guy was huge, yes, i just dont think they had to kill him. that IS excessive force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 ^^^hahaha...sorry, but that was funny. Thanks wise, for coming through with the inside dope! See, thats what has me thinking somethigns fishy. If you see the tape. It looks like they cut some shit out. Just like WISE was saying..there appears to be some missing footage. Like theyre trying to sugar coat the shit. Go back and reread my first post on this topic. I had said there wasnt anymore coverage on the incident. That had me questioning things. You know how things get covered up. (Im trying not to sound like a consipracy theorist here..ok!) The day they aired this, I was sitting in my garage with my homie. He is a 6 ft and some change, 300lb brutha. He is pretty intelligent himself. Not one of them bling bling jabronis. We both sat there and tlaked about it. He thought it was fucked up, regardless of the fact that he was a black man getting beat by the cops. Like I said, it doesnt matter if he was white, mexican or chinese...a man go tbeat to death by the cops. In Cincy...Again. They say he had drugs in his system, but, that could mean he had traces of said drugs. The news story, if you read it..said he suffers from a sleeping disorder. He fell asleep in front of White Castle, and he got woken up. They say he got out of hand, and thats when they called in the cops. The cops are saying he wasnt cooperating. So, they had to resort to beating his ass down. Youre right about macing somone, and them going even crazier, to the point of clawing there own eyes out. But, they do have thingslike stun guns, and those bean bag shotguns, and nets... so they dont have to kill someone. Also, my cousin got beat down by the cops about 7 months ago. He was on the run, from like 16 years in the pen. He had been chased by cops on 2 seperate occasions, so they went on a manhunt for him. When they found him, they bumrushed the pad he was staying in. He was resisting arrest. They started clubbing him, and he tried to fight back. He took out 11 cops...NO LIE! So, because of that, they beat him some more. They wrote down that the suspect (my cousin) was on PCP. They had used the excuse that he HAD to be on drugs to withstand such a beating. My cousin was black and blue all over his face and body. He almost died. So, he was jailed after being released from the hospital. They had taken blood from him, to determine if he had drugs in his system... the test came back NEGATIVE! So, they dropped all previous charges, and the ones he received that day. Theyre dropping his probation, and hoping he wont sue. Hahaha..fuck that...he is sueing. Sorry man, I dont trust cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WREK Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 the thing that bothers me most about this thread is people coming in and saying shit like... "hey i have a black friend, and hes actually smart." man, that type of shit kills me. you subconsious stereotyping bastids. its almost like saying that an intelligent black man is out of the norm. oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frate_Raper Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Yo I heard they were fighting over the last onion ring and shit got crazy? I watched that tape they're is NEVER a need for that much force of a guy on the ground regardless.......unless he's a goof then shoot him ps non canuks that aven't been locked up GOOF=CHILDMOLESTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 I just said that so people wouldnt think Im talking about so dumb kid thats stilll pissed about what happened to Rodney King. My homie was pissed off cuzz all you see is 2 cops beating the shit out of some guy, becasue he was big and black. and possibly on PCP...did they test him on the spot? Did they know for sure he was on drugs??? and what about that vietnamese lady... she got taken out by a cop too. You know if it was the other way around, the person would get life in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by Frate Raper I watched that tape they're is NEVER a need for that much force of a guy on the ground regardless.......unless he's a goof then shoot him thats what Im sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by WISE First off, this incident royally just fucked up my senior thesis. I am making a documentary about police and student relationships and now all of the officers I've had already talked to are backing out of their inerviews. I've been following this pretty closely just because it affects what I'm working on. Firstly, the police issued a statment saying that the police in the video were following proper procedure. Secondly the family of the man hired a 'civil rights' lawyer (fyi he's a local guy, He is a lawyer who advertises like a rapper. He's got big posters of himself with two chained pitbulls plastered all over the ghetto. And when he did this press conference he did it in his office, which had two HUGE scarface movie posters hanging on the wall.) but this lawyer held a press conference where he AGREES that the police in the video did follow PROPER police procedure. Just to clear that up. The debate: The first 90 seconds of the police tape are cut off, for whatever reason (technical or crooked cops, whatever). The police tape starts with him attacking the police and getting beat down. The question is what happened in those missing 60 seconds that made him attack the police? Did the police prevoke him? Did he bug out and start throwing 'bows? That is what is currently being investigated. They also aired the White Castle security camera's footage which just just useless because the quality was so bad you couldn't see anything. The inside footage shows him dancing around, but not being violent. But the paramedics and police were called for a reason. PCP: The city's coroner's office stated that he has PCP + Cocaine in his system. The family of the man is getting their own, independant autopsy done in another city (Indianapolis). They pretty much publically accussed the city's coroner's office of beaing corrupt. They stated several cases in the past where the media had been informed that the suspect had 'cocaine in his system'. While this is true, this does not mean that the individual was high at the time. I am not high while I write this, but that does not mean that there are no traces of drugs in my system. Intersting point. I don't know what happened or who was in the wrong, I just think this incident would not have gotten so much attention if it had happened in another city. The other police killings mentioned in this post I have never heard about. But the fact that the Cincinnati Police Dept. is involved immediatly makes it suspect. Oh, and the went to the same grade school as I did....only 30 years before me. damn, sucks about the thesis... about the 90 seconds: i agree that it would be helpful. but what happend is that police were responding to a call of a disorderly guy or whatever it was. you can see him rolling to the scene, lights on. the way their dash cam works is that it only records when the police have their sirens on. when they arrive at the scene, they initially think it is under control and kill the lights. this is why there is 90+ seconds of fuzz. then when it starts to jump off again, they hit the lights, and the cam starts again. would it be helpful? yes. but its not a conspiracy coincidence. PCP: they found a pack of smokes in his car leaced with PCP. dude has drug convictions. does that mean that they were really there? no. just because he got popped before, was he on shit that night? no. BUT, in both cases it is more probable that they were there (the cigs) and him being high on something, then not. Originally posted by eastsider This type of slang is fucking annoying. you are fucking annoying. you want proper english, frequent a scholastic english message board. talking in slang aint gangsta or cool or graff, but dont be fuckin surpised if some people around here use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 hahahaha...^^^ that backlash was even funnier. I still think they could have stopped clubbing him after the 10th blow. Yanked or not, thats some fucked up shit to beat someone like that. now, about that lady with the potatoe peeler vs. an armed police officer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 tearz, they did mace him once he was on the ground w/ 6 dudes on him... but yeah, i don't think anyone is trying to use this incident as the focal point or anything.. were they excessive? yes... were they rodney king excessive (also on pcp)? no has anyone here actually done pcp? seems like a wierd drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 our entire justice system needs to be overhauled and reformed, bottom line.. the police are a cog in a machine that is clearly breaking down.. there are plenty of incidents to cite when considering whether police are excessive..this is not one of those incidents.. anyone who has experienced cocaine and PCP knows the invincibility that comes with those drugs.. PCP is a dissociative anasthetic, after all..this means that it notonly makes you numb to what your body might be feeling or experienceing, it also gives you a sense of being removed from your body..the shit is insane, one of the most unpleasant and agressive drugs i've experienced.. i cannot say that the police were excessive because, as tearz noted, they excercised restraint by not just shooting him.. however, there are patterns developing that need to be adresed, and this is not the only city where the police have neglected "protecting and serving" and moved on to "judging and brutalizing" there is a middle ground here somewhere. society obviously needs people in authority to deal with criminals, police need some check in their behavior beyond what exists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 well, the nothion of the police cog breaking down is interesting since police, the watch, or whatever throughout history was never really designed by the society, but sort of adapted; that being said, the concept may easily contain inherent flaws... of course, one could argue that the very nature of the organic adaption of a police figure in society wouldn't be flawed because the role was "grown" as opposed to created. once again getting abstract and off t:dazed:pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by !@#$% it also gives you a sense of being removed from your body..the shit is insane, one of the most unpleasant and agressive drugs i've experienced.. to answer Vanitys question...yeah, Ive tried it once. I didnt feel that invincable feeling, but I have witnessed it first hand. Dude thought he was incredible hulk! I felt that unpleasant removal from my own body experience though. I didnt like it one bit. Thats why I tried it only once. fuck that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 not to turn this into a drug thread, but i have smoked alot of dust and been around it alot. shit is SHADY. i am real familiar with the effeccts, thats why i think its huge to note in this case. and like whats being said, and i said to bring it full circle: sad? yes. excessive? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 the guy was huge, aggressive, and probably on drugs. Westphal said, "If you must carry a defense weapon, I suggest carrying pepper spray. It’s 100 times better than mace. Pepper mace has no physical side effects, and the symptoms are gone in 15 to 20 minutes. The only drawback is that it doesn’t work on someone who is under the influence of PCP, heroine or extreme cocaine, because their nerve endings are not sensitive, their adrenaline flow is very high and this is what the pepper spray affects." from http://www.illinoisrealtor.org/Member/publ...r/1994/safe.asp and just because the cops have someone on the ground, that DOES NOT mean they're in control enough to cuff a suspect. also, from what i've seen, it's not the easiest thing to get an obese man's hands behind their back enough for their hands to touch. the plain and simple is this: if you struggle, you get beat. resistance is futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 when I see that picture of Carlton, I think of the dance...I want to see someone do the Carltonn dance right now... I need a good laugh. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by Dusty Lipschitz not to turn this into a drug thread, but i have smoked alot of dust and been around it alot. shit is SHADY. i am real familiar with the effeccts, thats why i think its huge to note in this case. and like whats being said, and i said to bring it full circle: sad? yes. excessive? no. yeah, i already summed it up in the other post i guess, but pcp is a sick drug, wet is even worse.. i have had it in conjunction with others, and i cannot fathom it with coke. yikes. that's a powder keg.. it was fucked, i'll admit and state right off the bat.. but i saw the dude's aunt on tv crying and i couldn't believe it..she was saying over and over how kind and gentle he was and i'm sitting in my living room laughing... "guess you never saw him jacked on coke and wet before?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 eh dusty, i hope your name ain't drug inspired, cause that'd make you like a pcp hippy inspired by this discussion, i decided to go give pcp a try... i dunno what ya'll are tlaking about this stuff ain't shiiAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :krunk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I once seen some dude running around in circles screaming, "I LOVE YOU!" repetedly. He was butt naked, and flapping his arms furiously. That was until the cops showed up. then they beat him to death...no, Im kidding. but they did arrest him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by WebsterUno then they beat him to death...no, Im kidding. but they did arrest him. :lol: :krunk: rza & kool g rap-cakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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