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The story of Mr Julio Fatbuks : A xmas tale of mail order profiteering

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Graphotism have recently opened there graffiti forum (suprise suprise not like them to jump on the band wagon) i have begun the hard task of engaging them in a discussion about the role they play in our culture the replys have been rather revealing .

I have posted the most up to date messages so far.

I don't feel i'm completely alone in my opinions so feel free to join in!

After all it is a discussion forum ..

 

MEMBER

ÊMESSAGE

ÊTHETRUTH

Tuesday

02-12-2003

Glory Hunters

 

message to Julio Mr Fatbucks

You only prove how marketing and mediocrity can blind generations into buying your retarded take on Hip Hop /Writing culture.

i watched your sluggish fat money grabbing mind gradually work it's way into this culture .

By hanging out at jams created mostly by enthusiasts impassioned by the culture and what it could be in the future .

 

You Julio (and sidekicks) are nothing but a glory hunting capitalist F**K .

Like a kid who couldn't score unless the ball was placed at your feet aiming directly at goal!

this culture deserves to be underground and not exposed to make a quick buck from what is by and large a very mediocre take on this culture.(i refer to your "RAG")

You have added nothing to the idealism of jams and events in this country (financially or even in interest) instead you go straight for the mass marketing of spraypaint rucksak urban woo haa putting cans in the hands of retards BLINDED by the rehtoric of your publication .

Once graphotism started to appear in a high street way the ploriferation of shit tags and dubs (toy is to good a word ,calling these monkeys toys would be implying they are trying to excel in some way!) and pieces has taken over every part of the uk.

The vast majority of which is easily forgotten by those who are actually interested in hopefully furthering this culture. You Julio Fatbucks however exist only in the moment in the next cheque some sad kid sends you for another 3 " thick marker filled with ink you could make beter using flour and milk or another dull installment of your "rag".

Read the signs crimewatch,Labours attack on graffiti...it's over there will soon be a massive drop in writing due to government policys and never under estimate the fashionable youth who will realise that buying 800ml montana to destroy there middleclass suburban hamlet is no longer a neccesity when faced with a stretch in jail with real criminals.

You'll probably be off spending all your fatbucks though not giving a f**k that you didn't do a thing to enhance the culture in the publics eye instead trivialising it into some pathetic "Urban Youth Culture" .

 

F**K you and anyone who thinks your mag is worth wiping a dogs arse with .

Your a Glory Hunter who so blinded by his mailorder catalogue (aren't they usually the pursuit of bored housewives?) profits you can't see the end of this pathetic chapter in Writings history.

 

In the future beware of Glory Hunters they usaully hang a bout like a bad smell and are by and large never invited !

 

ÊJULIO

Wednesday

03-12-2003

Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.

 

The truth? If only you knew!

 

Cheers

 

J

ÊDJDELAY

Wednesday

03-12-2003

I'm new to this board, and the "graff" culture. Could someone explain what THETRUTH is talking about?

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

If only you knew?

such a small reply from such a fat money grabbing c**t.

To busy counting your profits ?

whats sadder is people give up there photos to appear in your rag letting you and your staff sit on there arse without getting out there and geting some real journalism on the go.

like i said your a Glory Hunter.

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

http://www.graphotism.com/gallerydetail.as...20Walls&gid=486

 

Check Mr fat buckss great donation to our sub-culture????

ÊJULIO

Wednesday

03-12-2003

Cheers again.

 

J

ÊMASTERG

Wednesday

03-12-2003

THETRUTH

 

What exactly is your problem? You don't like the idea that a company is attempting to make money from graffiti? Wake up and smell the coffee. Every single magazine, video, book, t-shirt, blah, blah, blah, whether they're made by writers or not, has one thing in mind - to make a profit. Are you peeved because you didn't think of the idea first? The reason why decent mags like Bomb Alert and Hold No Hostage took early retirements was because the people behind them probably found that they didn't have enough free time, energy and cash to devote to something that isn't very rewarding. Graphotism has been down that road but faith has ensured it's survival.

 

All your talk of this culture deserves to be underground is so dated. You go on about jams and events - surely these are attempts to bring it overground? Oh, but of course, it's an attempt on your terms, an attempt that will benefit you.

 

At the end of the day, what Graphotism gets up to should not concern the real graffiti writers. They just go out and do it for themselves and I'm reffering to the illegal painting of trains here because walls and legal spots in my opinion show public acceptance of graffiti. culture. So if you're so down, get on with it and don't worry what others do.

 

Next please...

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

Master G someone who is definately Blinded by the rag or is profiting along side mr Fat bucks julio N greasy ass.

This company ironicly is encouraging the act of graffiti no to further the culture but to sell more paint and bullshit token rubbish.

The fact is most of the decent art being created in the uk is by writers who have always been down well before Fat bucks steeped up with his marketing plan!

the rag is encouraging more and more people to paint graffiti .

But i realy wonder if there reasons for doing it are PURE or if they are just being sold the idea of some kind of activity like football(signiture cans endorsed by writers Whats next leagues???) , or street ball IT'S BULLSHIT marketing is taking this culture to the toilet there is little attempt by fat buks & Co to make something realy fresh happen take it out of this mail order world and put there supposed knowledge to use , but i guees they'd rather profit from 2 minute toys seeking cheap fame under the guise that they might get a 2" photo in the RAG.

Master G your among the ones blinded by the fatbuk corporation I feel sorry for you.

ÊTOKSIN

Wednesday

03-12-2003

As far as i am concerned graffiti is an activity and any encouragement for people to take it up can only further the culture NOT DESTROY IT. your obviously sour about sommert. is it because you don't want others participating in something that is regarded as being universal?

ÊMASTERG

Wednesday

03-12-2003

I am in total agreement with you that most of the decent art being created in the UK is by writers who have always been down well before Graphotism emerged on the scene - but then that's bound to be the case isn't it? Someone with 10 years more painting experience than the next man is always going to have that upper hand. What you need to ask yourself is whether more of the younger generation would be active if Graphotism never existed. If you think they wouldn't then you are highlighting the huge influence, whether good or bad, Graphotism has had.

 

The UK scene post-Chrome Angels and pre-decent graf mags, specialist paint and the internet was interesting but hardly on par with the rest of Europe. If Graphotism hadn't bridged the gap the scene would probably be dead by now and you'd be reading some gardening web site instead of this one. I just think you're one of these 'old school' heads who fears the recent evolution in graf will topple you from a throne that you've comfortably held... until now.

 

If the 'RAG' , as you call it, didn't print illegal work it wouldn't be a true representation of the culture. And yes, you can argue that the mag doesn't show everything but that's down to individuals not submitting their photos for whatever reason. Even if the magazine did shed the illegal stuff there still isn't enough quality work being done in the UK to fill it.

 

As I said in my original message it shouldn't matter to a dedicated writer what Graphotism or anybody else is doing with the beloved subculture. You obviously have personal gripes with Graphotism, why don't you address their staff in the form of a direct e-mail, phone call or meeting.

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

master G (aka Mr Bird)

Ok so you've got a way with words and your definately a member of the rag staff as you appear precious about your beloved mr Fatbuks empire.

All this chat about europe post chrome angelz blah blah . (to be blunt)you talk through a hole in your arse the writers active in the uk may not have had the same exposure and acceptance as there european counterparts (blame that on the rightwing british system) but the skills were on point The uk has a stack of writers who were pushing there own styles .

Styles which were recognised not only in parts of europe but as far away as Australia and even new York .

Just because they didn't approach it with german precision doesn't mean it's any less valid.

many of those writers are still at it today none are jumping on any bandwagons .

A lot of European writers appreciate the hardcore of writers that existed in the uk pre Fatbuks empire.

it appears master g didn't appreciate that era (perhaps it's because he like Julio wasn't realy making a mark??)

As for writing a formal letter blah blah have a word !

Thats what forums are for TO VOICE YOUR OPINION

Are you concerned that my opinion may influence a perspective customer??

THE TRUTH speaks to Writers everywhere they can take it or leave it for what it's worth.

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

 

What you need to ask yourself is whether more of the younger generation would be active if Graphotism never existed. If you think they wouldn't then you are highlighting the huge influence, whether good or bad, Graphotism has had.

 

What is they said in Style wars "graffiti is passed down from one youthful generation to the next"

PFB>>>>>>>>DDS being a fine example they rose up pre fatbuks era and influenced more writers than any magazine although crews like them are probably feeling the heat due to toys overiding the scene heating up yards in an attempt to be "Down" with the fatbuks crew.

G you need to be a little more objective and less up your own journalist arsehole.

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Originally posted by thetruth

The UK scene post-Chrome Angels and pre-decent graf mags, specialist paint and the internet was interesting but hardly on par with the rest of Europe. If Graphotism hadn't bridged the gap the scene would probably be dead by now and you'd be reading some gardening web site instead of this one.

 

Someone from Grabajism said this? What a bunch of complete and utter cunts. What a bunch of condescending, arrogant, self righteous wankers. Damn, that's really got me mad.

 

And he has the cheek to utter the reply "The truth? If only you knew!"

Well, we do know, that's why we hate you so much.

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Yeas !

 

Go trotter give it to the C***ts !

 

Realy naive on there behalf to open a forum, f*k i know endless heads who are looking to voice there opinions on there rag.

Julio is a blob of few words but his silence speaks volumes....

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Update to the demise of Julio N' Greasy ASS

 

BEEROCK

Wednesday

03-12-2003

fucking scumbags... makes me laugh having a security guard on your door cos you know noone respects you, and everyone wants to fuck you over... bunch of cunts.

 

i wonder who master g is?!

ÊBEEROCK

Wednesday

03-12-2003

oh and charging to see pictures on your website?

and photos that are there are stolen anyway?

 

i would like to add that the vast majority of writers in london share the view of "the truth"

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

Thinks it's quite apt that the room is room#101...

Paul merton :well Truth what would you like to see put into room 101 ?

The Truth; Well Paul i would like to see Grabajism and it's whole horrible money grabbing staff put in for good never to return to monopolise on peoples fun!

Paul merton: No Problem i hear there a bunch of greedy capitilist F***s (pulls handle) C YAAA!

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

it may be good for you to note (Julio and G man) that nobody is giving a shit about your forum except this post.

Food for thought!

ÊTHETRUTH

Wednesday

03-12-2003

Beef rock i failed to see this bit; "Wherever you are in the world you can now subscribe to Graphotism magazine and get access to ALL areas of this site.

 

ONLY £5 per month ($10 USD)"

I almost cried when i seen that shit!

JulioGreasyass you stoop so low as to profit on the web???

Artcrimes has been running how long ?? Do they have charges to use there site? NO ! NO ! NO!

And i hope you paid for the trouble Funk sample as they could probably use the dough of a fat monkey like you Julio n' greasy ass!

 

 

 

I feel that Julio and Master G (i suspect this is Stylo) may choose to stop posting replys as you can see from there replys they kind of dig a large hole for themselves!

Remember this beef uk writers have had with Julio and the Rag for some years now, this by no way to be looked upon as some kid "Beefing " on the web .

Although i reckon it may be the first time anyone has heard these remarks form the Grabajism office.

 

keep keepin' on...

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Want some cheese with your whine?

 

SO what's so wrong with wnating to make a profit? I run a magazine with a few friends and guess what......."Keeping it real" and "Artisitic Integrity" does not pay the fucking bills nor keep cash in my pocket for shit like food, the printers, film, etc....

 

Gimme a break. If you cunts got paid for doing this shit, you measn to tell me you'd turn it down? You'd turn down a fat paycheck to "keep it real"? Stupid.

 

Absolutely goddamn right if you only knew the truth.

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i want to hear what they say about the stealing photos for their site.

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Re: Want some cheese with your whine?

 

Originally posted by LENS

SO what's so wrong with wnating to make a profit? I run a magazine with a few friends and guess what......."Keeping it real" and "Artisitic Integrity" does not pay the fucking bills nor keep cash in my pocket for shit like food, the printers, film, etc....

Gimme a break. If you cunts got paid for doing this shit, you measn to tell me you'd turn it down? You'd turn down a fat paycheck to "keep it real"? Stupid.

Absolutely goddamn right if you only knew the truth.

 

What magazine is that?

 

And YES, you CAN choose between artistic integrity and keeping it real over money and selling out.

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it's a good thing this place has people of such admirable character to keep us all in check.

 

:rolleyes:

 

where would i be without my 12oz life lessons??

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G Man returns from the Golf course via Met Bar

 

MASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

Morning all, especially THETRUTH. I didn't want you to think I'd opted against posting something else yesterday afternoon, it's just I couldn't take my computer on the golf course with me, and despite my intentions to post something last night I remembered I had a social life so drinks at the Met bar took priority.

 

Anyway, I took great offence to one of your comments yesterday - the one where you assume I am Mr Bird. Please! I'm far more youthful and good looking than him. Close, but no cigar.

 

It would be great to know your true identity (and I have my suspicions of who you are already) so that we could have this discussion face to face but you are right, this is a web foum and you are entitled to your opinion, albeit anonymously. As a result I will stand down from this argument and let you brandish your anti-capitalist, holier than thou, true to the game sword over the evil Graphotism empire. I imagine you will have staggering success because graffiti is dictated by whatever's been said on the internet, I really can't understand how graffiti survived before this marvellous inter web invention.

 

So long...

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

Master G =Golf course + drinks at the met bar sounds a lot like birdman still no matter your opinions are in the same league jumped up arrogant and self rightious bullshit .

Met bar isn't that another word for ARSEHOLE?

 

Golf & metbar =TOTAL ARSEHOLE

 

Whats funnier is you will have no idea whatsoever as to my identity ?? Gutted aren't you?

Bet your pissed at having to think about this anonymous opinion(instead of another way to profit from others work!) stirring it up on your pathetic attempt at a forum.

your aesthetic is shit,crass,tacky bulllshit.

that comissioned wholecar seen rip off is PATHETIC couldn't you come with something FRESH!

Naah? I ask the impossible from a bunch of money grabbin met bar golf playing MUPPETS

Read the opinions G man the anti graphotism sentiment is still strong .

THE TRUTH about writing is it's FREE you shouldn't have to pay for NOTHING kind of makes the RAG seem pointless once you take out it's mailorder theres not a lot left of any substance.

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Instead of randomly raging against them, why dont you write a list of simple questions and embarras (?) them into answering them.

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you know, i dont know anything of this specific magazine, i browsed through a copy in tower records in piccadilly circus once, but as far as i know, it doesnt come as far as australia (thats just as well by the sound of it). but if that is true that they are charging money to go look at photo galleries on their site, of an artform that by its very nature should be free and accessible to everyone. thats fucked up...

 

mytwocents.

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Originally posted by Europe

Instead of randomly raging against them, why dont you write a list of simple questions and embarras (?) them into answering them.

 

Ok i like this idea .

So Europe or anyone with a question

Post them here and we'll post them on there site .

yeah it's beginning to digress but the first few comments have done enough damage (master G that blokes getting a spade fro his xmas Kepp digging you GOBS**T F**K) These people have attempted to represent our culture for to long with there blatent marketing Urban bulls**t !!

i really want to let them know that there version of the culture won't last.

 

imagine you will have staggering success because graffiti is dictated by whatever's been said on the internet, I really can't understand how graffiti survived before this marvellous inter web invention.

 

It's because we had grabajism after all if it wasn't for them....Phruuump(long winded fart coming form julios fat fudge packin face)

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G man gets hot under the coller.

 

THETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...288#post1343288

 

The debate continues on the only real INTERNATIONAL website (I guess Phatbuks was attempting to take there idea but make us pay for it? )

Check it out!

ÊMASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

The sarcastic tone of the golf course and Met bar clearly went over your sweet little shaven head.

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

Not realy G would expect that form a bunch of grubby "urban' businessmen like yourself.

Ha HA shaven head Mate your realy turning those cogs hard (usually greased by Julios fatfudge packin fingers!)

Just think of me as an opinion Realy the geussing will only drive you to distraction.

Haven't you got some 3"wide phat UrbanGraffstrrepens to be sending to some kid ??

ÊMASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

Driven to distraction? That's why you keep coming back to this thread. Haven't you got a shit hot burner to paint in your efforts to keep it real?

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

The marvelous world of Broadband enables me to be online whilst creating something on my MAC.

Oh i can almost feel the thorn in your side. OUCH!

G man thinks to himself " Why did we think giving the public access to voice there opinions on our blatently mediocre RAG WHY WHY ??"

 

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

won't you take another shot at my hair style?? HeeHee!

 

ÊMASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

THETRUTH thinks to himself "how come the administrators of this web site haven't deleted this post?"

Ê

Thursday

04-12-2003

THETRUTH thinks to himself "how come the administrators of this web site haven't deleted this post?"

 

The truth thinks they would appear like a bunch of imature children if they deleted this post!

Not to mention it is also running on another more reputable forum.

Damn you dudes are getting a little pissed i'm feeeling tension .

Amazing what one man can do armed with a mac & internet access, the modern age eh!

G man cheer up please tell us about what your RAG has actually done for the culture??

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Sum Shit from Gman

 

MASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

I'm sure that there are plenty of people with similar opinions and maybe some, perish the thought, that actually appreciate Graphotism. I'm also sure there are plenty of people who couldn't be arsed either way and know the power of the Internet is irrelevant. I'm only on here because I'm bored. Our discussion should keep me entertained until clocking off time.

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

Question to Julio(g man you appear to lack any depth on the subject of the Rag i gues your the teaboy)=

 

Why have you never put your (obvious) profits to use by staging an event or exhibition of UK Writing?

ÊMASTERG

Thursday

04-12-2003

What has the rag done for our culture? Now let's see, we've printed some photos of your pieces.

ÊTHETRUTH

Thursday

04-12-2003

My pieces?

You rely have me down for someone don't you G?

Well CHECK DIS i don't piece! Confused? I bet you are

Go on take a shot I DARE YOU!

 

 

So printing photos in an overpriced undernourished attempt at a journal is what justifiies there selling out of the culture .

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do you have to sign up (pay?) to post on that forum?

 

anyway... i dont think people would mind crapotism as much if it wasnt for the fact that they dont represent the uk enough... i wouldnt even mind it being full of next euro steel and us freights, if they had more uk steel/ etc..... does anyone really want to see random chromes/throwups etc from america/brazil??

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yeah ive only ever got 1 copy cos after seeing some of the bullshit *yawn* articles and the amount of shitty fr8s i wasted £15... never again. plus who is gonna pay £6 for a paint pen???

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ive just had a little browse through the crapotism forums... its fucking hilarious... there are only about 15 memebers, all of whom are 100% toy, and chat pure shit....

 

check:

 

MEMBER MESSAGE

 

CODE2

Friday

05-12-2003

 

cans

 

what cans does ever 1 use the best can i used is krylon when i went 2 da bronx i was putting up some burners with 20 racked krylon cans now that was a bombing mission

 

 

 

 

 

:) :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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bump.

 

Posted by: WHYWHYWHY

graphotism used to sell loads of different brands of paint, but now it just promotes newmontana and proline. and it had that shameless feature on the dangers of spanish montana, just as it started promoting the new ones.

now your charging to see the fliks on your site?

that gay legal wholetrain might as well have said nike on it, you sellouts.

 

Posted by: itch

im siding with the truth here. graphotism is weak. like someone said earlier..."what has graphotism done? introduced a load of muppets to the scene" this is true. if you were "real" you wouldnt charge extreme prices for a piant pen. it used to be £8 for one of them 30mm montana pens? what the fuck? £8 (the equivilent to 40 ciggs or 4 pints) for a bog standard pen case with THE shittest paint known to man inside. how can you claim the montana pens to be "hard to buff" or whatever when all you need is a wet tissue?

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Fuck Grabajism and the nEw team empire. Go suck a can of german monty you pricks! I am feeling like joining the forum just to piss off those arrogant cunts.

 

 

"The UK scene post-Chrome Angels and pre-decent graf mags, specialist paint and the internet was interesting but hardly on par with the rest of Europe. If Graphotism hadn't bridged the gap the scene would probably be dead by now and you'd be reading some gardening web site instead of this one."

 

 

Who the fuck does this wanker think he is? FUCK GRAPHOTISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nice one The Truth, been enjoying your thread on their forum loads. As Skrib says it does seem to be populated by some of the most clueless pricks ever. I wince reading their posts.

 

Keep up the thread and also reply to other people's threads if they are similar. It did make me laugh as some posted about the "stealing flicks bullshit" that had been posted. It ain't bullshit, it is my photos that were stolen.

 

What I don't get is Julio's silence over any criticism. Like Mr G says email them them or whatever, but why not answer in public? It just seems like he is scared of having to justify his actions in public, which in my mind seems like they are going to be weak justifications and he knows it.

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g'warn thetruth!!

 

fuck Wackotism. as well as shafting writers (like crazeeb0b) for flicks they hassle people selling paint independently in the UK too. bunch of money-grabbing cunts. fuck them and the stupid hiphoppin', Yoda from Star Wars-style tone of their articles.

 

and don't speak too soon about the 'new team empire'. obviously i can't say anything here...

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