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Originally posted by test+Mar 10 2005, 04:43 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (test - Mar 10 2005, 04:43 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>omen the reason i was inquiring about the black dye type marsh mixed with garvey is not because of staining power, but for color. i like the violet of garvey but sometimes i prefer darker shades or all out black. also, i mentioned i added pilot to my ink. this is primarily ot amke the ink dry faster. garvey is a little on the slow side, most of my tags that get fully buffed happen within a day of putting it up because the ink doesn't fully dry and get up in there quick enough. i started putting in a generous amount of pilot, which dries quicker in my experience, and htis helped a good bit.

you mentioned white pigment marsh as a good base for making other colors. i'm curious if you have ever tried mixing it with addivtives i.e. gentian violet?

i'm trying to figure out a nice strong dope looking blueish ink. i'm gonna order some white marsh formt he site you sent (by the way props for that link). i'm thinking of a mix of marsh, a little bit of garvey, and gentian blue.

also, does the white marsh mix alright with paint?

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Hmmmm, white marsh is paint (paint type pigment) and it will last well over 20 years out doors (marsh pigment that is...mixed with nothing).

As far as making a dope blue color...you can get Garvey in blue dye type, it has a nice dark electric blue color that stains just as good as the violet.

If you take a look at the Marsh site I posted above...you can get black pigmeant and violet pigmeant and a couple of other colors in pigment. I think you can get a whole quart of black marsh dye for 17 bucks and pigment for 22 I think. That is a hell of alot of ink and the ink mixed with nothing will last forever outdoors...it is paint type ink and it is so thin that you could put it in a miniwide or pilot type marker and it will flow nicely...even the drips will last 20 or 30 years..maybe more, outside.

Mix some dye type in it and you can make your colors. Even the marsh dye type ink is very good, it comes in more colors than garvey and you can get not pints but quarts for a really good price. The marsh "ultra-violet" dye type ink is pretty high power. Most people have never used it on this site. But, I have and it is just as good as garvey and you can't go wrong with the price and the amount...then you have marsh pigment and that is fresh too. The pigment violet mixed with blue marsh dye type is fresh. Hell, you can make plenty of fresh colors. The good thing with pigment marsh is it is just like mixing different color paint to make your own color. Get a can of white for the base...all the marsh pigment is just as thin as the dye type. They used to make marsh silver in pigment and it was great, it dripped, lasted forever, would not ruin your nibs and was just good ink. I am sad they took it off the market.

 

It is hard to make something that is made by the professionals that would be any better.

I tried for years and realized to stick with a Garvey/Marsh pigment (paint) ink combo. The marsh site can also get you colors not listed...they just have to order it for you...at the same low price.

 

Marsh ink :king:

http://www.detroitcodemark.com/Hand%20Mark...%20-%20TINK.htm

 

 

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<!--QuoteBegin-sMaLLzOnE@Mar 10 2005, 02:49 AM

Omen, that is exactly what a chalk marker is but bigger..So why did you say toy's used 'em..?

 

Save the drama homes. Your bullshit is not needed or wanted on this board. There is nothing you can teach any of us here. I was being sarcastic when I made that statement. I had a moderator clean up that other thread with your comments and me feeding into them. I could not believe I was letting some kid like you, make me get stupid. That thing was squashed and yet you still want to cause problems...just leave it alone now.

 

As far as technikal, he is not brown nosing anyone...he is just calling things as he sees them. I have ALOT of solid data on this thread that is useful for serious people. So, instead of trying to start problems for no reason. How about trying to learn something and maybe it will give you some ideas. Causing drama is only going to get you banned and your posts deleted.

 

Why you want to continue bullshit is very toy of you. We are here to talk about ink. Not cause problems over petty non-sense that was already squashed. Others give me the same respect as I give them and I am sure technikal and the rest of us serious people feel the same way.

 

There is nothing you can tell me about anything. However, if you show some respect, you will get respect. An attitude like yours will get you no where fast and it does not impress anyone at all.

 

Did you think others were going to jump on your bandwagon and start problems on this thread with you? If you did, you are mistaken.

I may have made a witty comment (on another thread). I was just joking around. But, for some reason you took it personal, like I hit some nerves or something.

 

So lets squash this bullshit before it gets out of hand.

 

How does that sound? ;)

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I didn't do it to be an asshole, and for people to join me.. You commented on it, said that people who "blah blah blah" are toy. It get's the job I need done, and that's all that matters..

 

//also, I see you know alot. I wasn't calling you out on your facts.

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Originally posted by sMaLLzOnE@Mar 10 2005, 03:18 PM

I didn't do it to be an asshole, and for people to join me.. You commented on it, said that people who "blah blah blah" are toy. It get's the job I need done, and that's all that matters..

 

//also, I see you know alot. I wasn't calling you out on your facts.

 

OK, so it is squashed now and we can move on to more important things.

 

Peace. ;)

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recently ive noticed that my stains with only purple corio in them, look a hell of a lot nicer and even last longer than other various concoctions ive come up with. the colour alone of the ink when its on its own makes my day when i see it. there is no nicer colour on a plain white wall.

 

the other stains which havent lasted included corio + nero, and i did a buff test informally (i let the council do it). i hit a smooth concrete wall (it wasnt quite marble but its etrememly smooth) with the c + n mix and it didnt survive the buff at all. the colour looked quite weak too. not as in watery but it didnt look fresh, more like oil was in it too.

when i re-tagged it with just corio (back in december) and its still as clear as the day i did it. ive watched buffing attempts a few times to and it was quite funny.

 

omens said it a lot and so have i: you get the best results by not fucking about with the ink. leave it alone. granted this is a lot easier for the euro heads and others who have access to inks such as corio and nero. :)

 

however...the nero + corio mix lasted better on insides...

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Originally posted by test@Mar 9 2005, 11:43 PM

omen the reason i was inquiring about the black dye type marsh mixed with garvey is not because of staining power, but for color. i like the violet of garvey but sometimes i prefer darker shades or all out black. also, i mentioned i added pilot to my ink. this is primarily ot amke the ink dry faster. garvey is a little on the slow side, most of my tags that get fully buffed happen within a day of putting it up because the ink doesn't fully dry and get up in there quick enough. i started putting in a generous amount of pilot, which dries quicker in my experience, and htis helped a good bit.

you mentioned white pigment marsh as a good base for making other colors. i'm curious if you have ever tried mixing it with addivtives i.e. gentian violet?

i'm trying to figure out a nice strong dope looking blueish ink. i'm gonna order some white marsh formt he site you sent (by the way props for that link). i'm thinking of a mix of marsh, a little bit of garvey, and gentian blue.

also, does the white marsh mix alright with paint?

 

instead of getting gentian violet, get violet garvey, it's color is from gentian violet and it's already mixed porpotionally to be the strongest it can be.

 

gentian blue doesn't exist, the closest substitute i can think of is methylene blue. but hell, i'm pretty sure blue garvey get it's color from methylene blue, and its already mixed as good as it can get, so you might as well get it.

 

 

 

OMEN, does the ultraviolet Marsh stain as hard as violet Garvey? and does it last outdoors by itself, or does it fade like straight garvey does?

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bumsuck, i had meant methylene blue when i said gentian blue, jsut got a little criss crossed. i was aware garvey makes blue ink also but i had remembered reading somewhere that only their violet and red is any good, and personally i don't like red. maybe i'm mixed up with feibings? i dunno who cares.

omen you said the pigment marsh is thin so does it dry fast? like i said most of my stuff that gets buffed happens within a day or so; if it rides for a few days and then they try a buff it's usually good for a while longer. preciate the knowledge. im def gonna order some white marsh and figure out some dope colors. peace.

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bumsuck, i had meant methylene blue when i said gentian blue, jsut got a little criss crossed. i was aware garvey makes blue ink also but i had remembered reading somewhere that only their violet and red is any good, and personally i don't like red. maybe i'm mixed up with feibings? i dunno who cares.

omen you said the pigment marsh is thin so does it dry fast? like i said most of my stuff that gets buffed happens within a day or so; if it rides for a few days and then they try a buff it's usually good for a while longer. preciate the knowledge. im def gonna order some white marsh and figure out some dope colors. peace.

 

Yes, marsh Pigment dries very fast. It dries just as fast as rugular dye type ink. That is because, it is just like dye type ink...with a pigment compoment. People that make their "own" paint ink is just what it is...watered down paint with thinner or whatever, that alone makes paint take forever to dry.

So, to make your own paint ink is whack, it fucks up your markers and it is buffable, it does not drip well and it vsucks. Even krink sucks. It is just like watered down silver spray paint that takes forever to dry...it is overrated. If I was not getting it for $5 a jar. I would not have bought it.

Garvey Blue ink is great. But, don't bother with blue garvey when you can get a quart of blue dye marsh cheaper and it is just as good. It don't come off. In fact, if they stopped making garvey...it would not be a big deal. Because Marsh is made well, it is cheaper, it comes in more colors and it even comes in pigment. Garvey is good shit...don't get me wrong. But, marsh is just as good. The problem is nobody has really used marsh (except for maybe black). So, you have to see for yourself. The majority of the subway insides that were bombed and could not be buffed...were bombed with Marsh and Flomaster (they were the same componets...more or less. Flomaster went out of business) You could get marsh in 100 different colors in dye and in pigment, it came in 4 oz cans as well as pints and up. But, we got the 4oz cans so we had a choice of so many different colors (the silver pigment was the bomb). Those days are over now. Garvey was a treat back then...we were lucky to get it and when we did, it was always opened. Because, it was snatched from the market, it was before they used price tags, they stamped the price directly on the product with garvey. It was hard to get do to the fact they only sold it to supermarkets in bulk, there was no net back then and Garvey was more or less called "Supermarket ink" not garvey.

 

 

 

instead of getting gentian violet, get violet garvey, it's color is from gentian violet and it's already mixed porpotionally to be the strongest it can be.

 

gentian blue doesn't exist, the closest substitute i can think of is methylene blue. but hell, i'm pretty sure blue garvey get it's color from methylene blue, and its already mixed as good as it can get, so you might as well get it.

 

 

 

OMEN, does the ultraviolet Marsh stain as hard as violet Garvey? and does it last outdoors by itself, or does it fade like straight garvey does?

 

I have never put the ultraviolet marsh side by side with violet garvey for a buff test. However, the ultraviolet is a bitch to buff, it has a better color than garvey and you get twice as much for a few bucks more than garvey cost.

However, to ensure it has staining power as well as long term outdoor use. Mix violet garvey with violet pigment marsh. I don't normally mix inks for staining reasons (because, these inks are so good, there is not much more you can do to them to make them more permanent. you will have a bigger chance of fucking up the original components the chemists used to make their product. Being these inks are industrial, they made them as permanent as possible. The garvey is stamping ink for prices to go directly on the metal/plastic and if they could make it more permanent they would have...look under at the bottom of a soda can and you will see numbers in ink. Try to buff it and see how hard it is to remove). I mix it for making different colors. Weather I am trying to make it darker or I use the "paint" pigment to make a whole different color. With a white pigment marsh as the base, you have your pigment and then you can mix in your dye type for your color. It has always been a success. Because, you have the staining power of the dye and the weather proof with the pigment. So, in essence, all you need is garvey and marsh pigment...period! Straight violet marsh pigment will last years outdoors and it is a fresh color and you can get more ink for the price. Garvey stains hard. But, it is not weather friendly like pigment marsh is. The garvey fades just with the dam sun hitting it. Why that happens, I don't know. Because, it never comes off on alot of surfaces...no matter what you try to buff it.

But, if you use garvey on a porous surface outdoors, it sinks in and stays there forever.

But, for street bombing, if you want your tags to last forever...you have to use pigment.

There is no need to add break fluid, fish oil, saw dust or whatever some dudes mix with their ink to fuck it up. Just use it raw dog.

 

No, marsh stains as hard as garvey. But the pigment marsh lasts

longer outside, but might not resist the buff. So what to do? Mix them

it's been said, read back.

 

I could not have said it any better brother. :)

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yeah, i know about the staining properties and weather durability of garvey and marsh respectively, so don't try to rub my question in my face... i have expiremented with marsh dye types before, and black pigment once, but not enough that i'd know if ultraviolet marsh stained hard like garvey or not, since it's clearly different than the other marsh's and for as far as i knew it could've been using crystal violet for it's pigmentation and would thus stain as hard as garvey, hence why i asked.

 

the reason garvey fades outdoors is because it's color comes from basic violet (aka crystal violet or gentian violet), it's a rather simple molecular dyestuff, used mainly for indoor labwork, staining cells for viewing under a microscope, and is not lightfast. thus UV light coming from the sun causes it to fade rather quickly.

 

marsh lasts outdoors because of it's pigmentation, which is an actualy a layer of color being added on top of the surface being written on, rather than adding/dying color to the surface it is wirtten on like a dyestuff (garvey), and because the pigments are lightfast. further marsh using shellacing to further make their inks withstand weather.

 

once again, i'm not new to graffiti, inks, paints, or even this thread (been reading since the beginning but wasn't registered here)... i just had to ask about UV Marsh because i've never had any experience with it, and Omen said it was as good as garvey so it sparked my curosity, no need to go nut chopping.

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OK guys....lets not let this get personal. It is all good. We are all learning.

Hell, I am still learning new things everyday of my life. I think every person on earth learns something new every day. Weather it be ink or other things in general.

 

We all are into graff...it should be a brotherhood.

 

Peace.

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yeah no worries, its not hurting me anyway. i just dont like some kid being a dick to me and refrencing me to 'read the thread' about something that HASN'T already been asked, just as if i were some kid asking a question like 'wUz suM god iNk reCipes So mY tags r kewl'...

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DONT BUY KRINK! i just got some in the mail....first of all its not actual silver ink (like i thought it was), its just thinned silver paint, it smells exactly like silver rusto bucket paint and works just like it, waste of money....

 

i also just got some GROG ink, i havent tried it out yet ill let you guys know whats up...

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Originally posted by blahness@Mar 14 2005, 10:35 AM

DONT BUY KRINK! i just got some in the mail....first of all its not actual silver ink (like i thought it was), its just thinned silver paint, it smells exactly like silver rusto bucket paint and works just like it, waste of money....

 

i also just got some GROG ink, i havent tried it out yet ill let you guys know whats up...

 

im interested to know what you think about it i recenty bought some but it wont be here for a bit. i only bought one bottol gotta try it out first. if possable post some pics of it in action and a pic of it buffed. i wounder if its as good as they say. im thinking it has a chance it is itailian made and itailys destroyed

 

on a nother note i bought 1000mls of corio blue at first i thought it realy sucked like it just rubed of... this was in a blue otr mixed with blue otr ink and some blue mythinal power or what ever at it sucked.. but i recently put it in a mop with just corio and did a few testes and it seems to kill i couldent get it off metal... i dunno the metal might of been painted, finished wood the only think it came off of easy was plastic came off realy easy but still stained..... but i couldent get it off at all on the other surfaces.... almost seems better then nero

 

i must say im not a fan of garvey at all!! it fades realy fast and dosent sem to stain anything i dont know why this is but its one of my lest fav. inks

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Originally posted by tinkah@Mar 14 2005, 04:43 PM

all this ink ure bothering making and spending money on is no where near as good as leather dye its the best ink i hav ever used it doesnt buff an flows lovely! :king:

But fades, spreads, and doesn't drip right.

Not to mention comes off like water on

some surfaces.

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