HOVIE Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Originally posted by rubbish heap I've answered countless questions since starting this thread. Now I have a question of my own.. I'm going to buy a new pint of Marsh - Urbandesignz.com sells both the dye and the pigmented versions. Someone on 12oz mentioned that both types are the same permanency and that the pigment is too thick for most markers. I emailed UrbanDesignz and asked about the two Marsh's they carry - they said the Dye is mainly used for indoors and fades away outside, and the Pigmented is more durable outside. So my question is, who is right and who is wrong? Has anyone used both? Thanks. edit: i found out the marsh i currently have in a 4 oz. sample jar is dye, and it seemed roughly as permanent as pilot ink. i think i'll order the pigmented stuff and see - hopefully it will flow. any used it? i heard that marsh isnt what its made out to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 Originally posted by chumbawumba Hey rub, I would go with what Urban Designz told you. But I've never tried it so I would'nt know. Also - What European mailorder thing can I get corio at? Can't help you there. It's not worth it at all - you'd have to wade through countless websites in foreign languages, find one that is willing to ship international, pay the expensive international shipping rate, convert your currency into theirs, etc etc etc. It's not worth all that trouble for a bottle of ink when there is plenty of other great ones out there. Originally posted by HOVIE i heard that marsh isnt what its made out to be like i said, i've used the dye type marsh and it flows great and is a little harder to buff than pilot ink. i got some violet garvey coming for me in the mail, i heard that shit is greaaat, stains hard and drips like a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Yeah I guess your right.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swtchn'style Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 is there anything that can't be buffed (markers,rollers,etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Swtchn'style is there anything that can't be buffed (markers,rollers,etc.) the answer is, yes and no. they can buff pretty much anything by painting over it - rollers, throwups, handstyles. but the thing is, certain things don't get painted over - things like panels on your transit, metal signs, mail boxes, newspaper boxes, dumpsters, electric boxes etc. to get rid of graff on these surfaces, people use cleaning solutions like lacquer thinner, xylene, goof off etc. if your ink stains hard, it will be extremely difficult for someone to completely get rid of your handstyle - there will always be a ghost mark. and than there is etch. but do NOT mention that shit on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 A little recipe I've been working on lately: I'm in the process of getting everything needed for it; the ingredients are violet Garvey, purple Fiebing's, Gentian Violet, violet Pearl Ex, and to top it off, brake fluid. The Garvey will be the ink base, the Fiebing's will be the strong leather dye mixed in for increased stainage, the Gentian Violet will be for added staining, the Pearl Ex will be for sparkles (thanks Ira Sanky for mentioning that shit or I would have never though about using it) and the brake fluid will be for corrossive properties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AevOne718 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Does that pearlex stuff really work? Has anyone tried the carbonpaper ink recipe yet? Did ya like it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by AevOne718 Does that pearlex stuff really work? Has anyone tried the carbonpaper ink recipe yet? Did ya like it? i'm sure the pearl ex works fine - i got a small container of it, havent used it yet. i'm trying to find that violet carbon paper you were talking about - only found the black. do you have to put it in isopropyl alcohol ? usually you can't find it pure, it's diluted with water (bad times). carbon paper mixed with xylene sounds intriguing, i wonder how it would work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AevOne718 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 xylene n carbonpape SUCKS... from my experiance. It evaporates so fast the nib goes dry. Or maybe it wouldnt go through the nib... i dont know, but it sucks fro mwhat ive tried. Yes, isopryl alcohol. I would like to try denatured alc, but i have no money for it. I dont know where u can get that violet paper... hopefully you go to school and a teacher has it. Try to go to a copy shop or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 ah, denatured alcohol sounds like the best way to do it. come to think of it, it would probably work as a great thinning agent for inks, too. better than rubbing alcohol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 hey rubbish, how's the garvey ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Don't know yet. I sent out the money order yesterday; hopefully it'll be here sometime this week or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Whats the Garvey site where you can view all the inks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 http://www.garveyproducts.com/inks.htm their policy is that you have to spend atleast 25 bucks ordering their shit. i just ordered mine off ebay, easier and less expensive that way. urbandesignz.com also sells garvey but they are out right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I've searched ebay for Garvey Inks, no such luck, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOVIE Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 yo rubbish, you seem to know a whole lot about good mixes....how about some flicks of your work??...i understand if you dont wanna show me..but i would be interested in seeing it whoovie@hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by chumbawumba I've searched ebay for Garvey Inks, no such luck, though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7&category=4174 there we go, garvey.. yo rubbish, you seem to know a whole lot about good mixes....how about some flicks of your work??...i understand if you dont wanna show me..but i would be interested in seeing it ey hovie, i dont quite get what you're saying. you want to see some of my handstyles or supplies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swtchn'style Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by rubbish heap the answer is, yes and no. they can buff pretty much anything by painting over it - rollers, throwups, handstyles. but the thing is, certain things don't get painted over - things like panels on your transit, metal signs, mail boxes, newspaper boxes, dumpsters, electric boxes etc. to get rid of graff on these surfaces, people use cleaning solutions like lacquer thinner, xylene, goof off etc. if your ink stains hard, it will be extremely difficult for someone to completely get rid of your handstyle - there will always be a ghost mark. and than there is etch. but do NOT mention that shit on here. ...thanks for the info, ur the only person who actually gives me an answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 there we go, garvey.. Ahh.. thanks, also don't you have to give them a credit card # to sign up for an ebay account or something..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 nop; your getting ebay confused with paypal. i just use money orders to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 i'd actually like to see some of your homemade concoctions, but you could also sprinkle me with some of your work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 10, 2004 Author Share Posted February 10, 2004 on the front post, first page, theres a link to a picture of a chapstick marker i made a little while back. i've also done the standard kiwi mop alot, usually loading it with some nice runny bucket paint. also made a mop out of a pilot in the past - very easy stuff. but to be honest, i'm not all that much into making the home made markers - they're cool for concealment and acting stealth, and for someone who doesn't have access to an art store or whatever, but i prefer writing with pilots and shit like that. the hand comes out sharper, more calligraphic - and in most cases they're free for me. making / modifying inks is my real passion, though.. gotta love having the buff crew struggle to scrub your shit off, or having some fresh bucket paint colors. :crazy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TresOne Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 ^^ in your experience, how quickly (if at all) does brake fluid eat through plastic markers and/or nibs? I was thinking of putting a tad in my chapstick marker, and in my bingo-dabber markers, but i've never tried it before, and don't wanna have that shit eating a hole in the marker one day when it's in my pocket.. I've refilled ink mixed with brake-fluid in metal markers like Pilots many a time, but just wondering what your thoughts were on the plastic ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 10, 2004 Author Share Posted February 10, 2004 As I said before - brake fluid comes in a plastic container - i have no experience of it melting the plastic away on mops / markers. now xylene, thats a different issue. if you're ever concerned about having mad ink stains in your pocket from that freshly made mop... wrap up a plastic baggy over it, not the ziplock kind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOVIE Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 thanks rubbish..i added you on aim.......heres a mix ive been using the past few days in my 20mm.... black corio dark brown punch leather dye break fluid potassium premagranate someone has told me it stained quite nice.....it comes VERY dark brown.pretty much black but a brown tint to it.....flows nicley too:yum: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_2atemsdome Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 easy ink take sum baby oil and boil it down, it turns into some nice black ink to use in mops and its also damn good tattoo ink 1 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobotheHobo Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 yo does anyone have any recipes for mean streak type things:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_sofarok Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 myths? Potassium permanganate does fuck all, and i have yet to see any conclusive proof that brake fluid has much of an effect, im my experience it doesn’t mix well with inks and has an tendency to give an nasty brownish tinge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by BobotheHobo yo does anyone have any recipes for mean streak type things:D there's the old two toned streak, where you cut off half of one streak with a razor, mash it together the half of a different colored streak and wind that shit back in the marker.. i'm not that much of a fan of that tho, i like red streaks hands down. as for a completely homemade streak, i doubt a recipe exists out there. just doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by HOVIE thanks rubbish..i added you on aim.......heres a mix ive been using the past few days in my 20mm.... black corio dark brown punch leather dye break fluid potassium premagranate someone has told me it stained quite nice.....it comes VERY dark brown.pretty much black but a brown tint to it.....flows nicley too:yum: nice recipe.. i heard potassium permagrante and brake fluid, when combined, will have a reaction of some sort.. guess that myth is falso, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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