test Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 bumsuck, i had meant methylene blue when i said gentian blue, jsut got a little criss crossed. i was aware garvey makes blue ink also but i had remembered reading somewhere that only their violet and red is any good, and personally i don't like red. maybe i'm mixed up with feibings? i dunno who cares. omen you said the pigment marsh is thin so does it dry fast? like i said most of my stuff that gets buffed happens within a day or so; if it rides for a few days and then they try a buff it's usually good for a while longer. preciate the knowledge. im def gonna order some white marsh and figure out some dope colors. peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technikal Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 No marsh stains as hard as garvey. But the pigment marsh lasts longer outside, but might not resist the buff. So what to do? Mix them it's been said, read back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEN TWO Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 bumsuck, i had meant methylene blue when i said gentian blue, jsut got a little criss crossed. i was aware garvey makes blue ink also but i had remembered reading somewhere that only their violet and red is any good, and personally i don't like red. maybe i'm mixed up with feibings? i dunno who cares. omen you said the pigment marsh is thin so does it dry fast? like i said most of my stuff that gets buffed happens within a day or so; if it rides for a few days and then they try a buff it's usually good for a while longer. preciate the knowledge. im def gonna order some white marsh and figure out some dope colors. peace. Quoted post Yes, marsh Pigment dries very fast. It dries just as fast as rugular dye type ink. That is because, it is just like dye type ink...with a pigment compoment. People that make their "own" paint ink is just what it is...watered down paint with thinner or whatever, that alone makes paint take forever to dry. So, to make your own paint ink is whack, it fucks up your markers and it is buffable, it does not drip well and it vsucks. Even krink sucks. It is just like watered down silver spray paint that takes forever to dry...it is overrated. If I was not getting it for $5 a jar. I would not have bought it. Garvey Blue ink is great. But, don't bother with blue garvey when you can get a quart of blue dye marsh cheaper and it is just as good. It don't come off. In fact, if they stopped making garvey...it would not be a big deal. Because Marsh is made well, it is cheaper, it comes in more colors and it even comes in pigment. Garvey is good shit...don't get me wrong. But, marsh is just as good. The problem is nobody has really used marsh (except for maybe black). So, you have to see for yourself. The majority of the subway insides that were bombed and could not be buffed...were bombed with Marsh and Flomaster (they were the same componets...more or less. Flomaster went out of business) You could get marsh in 100 different colors in dye and in pigment, it came in 4 oz cans as well as pints and up. But, we got the 4oz cans so we had a choice of so many different colors (the silver pigment was the bomb). Those days are over now. Garvey was a treat back then...we were lucky to get it and when we did, it was always opened. Because, it was snatched from the market, it was before they used price tags, they stamped the price directly on the product with garvey. It was hard to get do to the fact they only sold it to supermarkets in bulk, there was no net back then and Garvey was more or less called "Supermarket ink" not garvey. Quoted post instead of getting gentian violet, get violet garvey, it's color is from gentian violet and it's already mixed porpotionally to be the strongest it can be. gentian blue doesn't exist, the closest substitute i can think of is methylene blue. but hell, i'm pretty sure blue garvey get it's color from methylene blue, and its already mixed as good as it can get, so you might as well get it. OMEN, does the ultraviolet Marsh stain as hard as violet Garvey? and does it last outdoors by itself, or does it fade like straight garvey does? Quoted post I have never put the ultraviolet marsh side by side with violet garvey for a buff test. However, the ultraviolet is a bitch to buff, it has a better color than garvey and you get twice as much for a few bucks more than garvey cost. However, to ensure it has staining power as well as long term outdoor use. Mix violet garvey with violet pigment marsh. I don't normally mix inks for staining reasons (because, these inks are so good, there is not much more you can do to them to make them more permanent. you will have a bigger chance of fucking up the original components the chemists used to make their product. Being these inks are industrial, they made them as permanent as possible. The garvey is stamping ink for prices to go directly on the metal/plastic and if they could make it more permanent they would have...look under at the bottom of a soda can and you will see numbers in ink. Try to buff it and see how hard it is to remove). I mix it for making different colors. Weather I am trying to make it darker or I use the "paint" pigment to make a whole different color. With a white pigment marsh as the base, you have your pigment and then you can mix in your dye type for your color. It has always been a success. Because, you have the staining power of the dye and the weather proof with the pigment. So, in essence, all you need is garvey and marsh pigment...period! Straight violet marsh pigment will last years outdoors and it is a fresh color and you can get more ink for the price. Garvey stains hard. But, it is not weather friendly like pigment marsh is. The garvey fades just with the dam sun hitting it. Why that happens, I don't know. Because, it never comes off on alot of surfaces...no matter what you try to buff it. But, if you use garvey on a porous surface outdoors, it sinks in and stays there forever. But, for street bombing, if you want your tags to last forever...you have to use pigment. There is no need to add break fluid, fish oil, saw dust or whatever some dudes mix with their ink to fuck it up. Just use it raw dog. No, marsh stains as hard as garvey. But the pigment marsh lasts longer outside, but might not resist the buff. So what to do? Mix them it's been said, read back. Quoted post I could not have said it any better brother. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterOne Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Originally posted by rubbish heap@Mar 9 2005, 08:50 PM rubbish heap approved Quoted post the hotness right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumsuckfun Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 yeah, i know about the staining properties and weather durability of garvey and marsh respectively, so don't try to rub my question in my face... i have expiremented with marsh dye types before, and black pigment once, but not enough that i'd know if ultraviolet marsh stained hard like garvey or not, since it's clearly different than the other marsh's and for as far as i knew it could've been using crystal violet for it's pigmentation and would thus stain as hard as garvey, hence why i asked. the reason garvey fades outdoors is because it's color comes from basic violet (aka crystal violet or gentian violet), it's a rather simple molecular dyestuff, used mainly for indoor labwork, staining cells for viewing under a microscope, and is not lightfast. thus UV light coming from the sun causes it to fade rather quickly. marsh lasts outdoors because of it's pigmentation, which is an actualy a layer of color being added on top of the surface being written on, rather than adding/dying color to the surface it is wirtten on like a dyestuff (garvey), and because the pigments are lightfast. further marsh using shellacing to further make their inks withstand weather. once again, i'm not new to graffiti, inks, paints, or even this thread (been reading since the beginning but wasn't registered here)... i just had to ask about UV Marsh because i've never had any experience with it, and Omen said it was as good as garvey so it sparked my curosity, no need to go nut chopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technikal Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 ^^No need to get all "technical" about the inks. Everything you said has been mentioned many times before in this thread. Ya you're cool you know about inks. wow you have read this thread. Just stick to the Q's And A's, not who can spit more ink knowledge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEPOSTWHORE5000 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 ..so you can spell technical correctly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEN TWO Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 OK guys....lets not let this get personal. It is all good. We are all learning. Hell, I am still learning new things everyday of my life. I think every person on earth learns something new every day. Weather it be ink or other things in general. We all are into graff...it should be a brotherhood. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technikal Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by THEPOSTWHORE5000@Mar 10 2005, 10:49 PM ..so you can spell technical correctly.... Quoted post No shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted March 11, 2005 Author Share Posted March 11, 2005 whatever, i respect bumsuckfun for knowing his knowledge about the difference between the two. lol. leave the drama at home, this shit needs to be cleaned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumsuckfun Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 yeah no worries, its not hurting me anyway. i just dont like some kid being a dick to me and refrencing me to 'read the thread' about something that HASN'T already been asked, just as if i were some kid asking a question like 'wUz suM god iNk reCipes So mY tags r kewl'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloner Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 n e 1 tryed using rubbing alchohol whats it do sorrz if it wuz posted already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeine Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by royaloner@Mar 11 2005, 12:25 AM n e 1 tryed using rubbing alchohol whats it do sorrz if it wuz posted already Quoted post Why dont you learn to use the search function on the site... Or at least read the damn thread before asking questions that have been asked countless times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOKA-UGK Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 seroiusly...look around in the pages of this thread..start with page 2 thats all you gotta know and do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahness Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 DONT BUY KRINK! i just got some in the mail....first of all its not actual silver ink (like i thought it was), its just thinned silver paint, it smells exactly like silver rusto bucket paint and works just like it, waste of money.... i also just got some GROG ink, i havent tried it out yet ill let you guys know whats up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adernaline Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 about the the leeho glue marker - drips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkah Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 all this ink ure bothering making and spending money on is no where near as good as leather dye its the best ink i hav ever used it doesnt buff an flows lovely! :king: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkk Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Originally posted by blahness@Mar 14 2005, 10:35 AM DONT BUY KRINK! i just got some in the mail....first of all its not actual silver ink (like i thought it was), its just thinned silver paint, it smells exactly like silver rusto bucket paint and works just like it, waste of money.... i also just got some GROG ink, i havent tried it out yet ill let you guys know whats up... Quoted post im interested to know what you think about it i recenty bought some but it wont be here for a bit. i only bought one bottol gotta try it out first. if possable post some pics of it in action and a pic of it buffed. i wounder if its as good as they say. im thinking it has a chance it is itailian made and itailys destroyed on a nother note i bought 1000mls of corio blue at first i thought it realy sucked like it just rubed of... this was in a blue otr mixed with blue otr ink and some blue mythinal power or what ever at it sucked.. but i recently put it in a mop with just corio and did a few testes and it seems to kill i couldent get it off metal... i dunno the metal might of been painted, finished wood the only think it came off of easy was plastic came off realy easy but still stained..... but i couldent get it off at all on the other surfaces.... almost seems better then nero i must say im not a fan of garvey at all!! it fades realy fast and dosent sem to stain anything i dont know why this is but its one of my lest fav. inks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technikal Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Originally posted by tinkah@Mar 14 2005, 04:43 PM all this ink ure bothering making and spending money on is no where near as good as leather dye its the best ink i hav ever used it doesnt buff an flows lovely! :king: Quoted post But fades, spreads, and doesn't drip right. Not to mention comes off like water on some surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddax Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Does any spot in NYC carry Garvey? Or can it just be bought online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
source Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 has anyone ever seen the marsh spray ink? i dont know if its any good i was just lookin around online and ran across it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkk Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 i must say im not a fan of garvey at all!! it fades realy fast and dosent sem to stain anything i dont know why this is but its one of my lest fav. inks Quoted post You must have got ripped off and got fake garvey. True, "real" garvey is not good in the sun. But, it stains like a bitch on almost every surface. naw i dident i got all the stuff like labels same bottol, box, spout toe to toe corio took it 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumsuckfun Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 its not unheard of for fake garvey to come in bottles just like the real garvey bottles and to have a counterfeit label... where'd you buy it from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkk Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 i bought it for a guy on ebay...... he sold me a few bottols of it as well as some pints of marsh witch i know where real. im 90% its real but it dosent stain at all so ill stick to what has stood up to my tests with is corio dose art primos sell real garvey? ill take some pictures of the labels as well. can anyone discribe the smell might help find out if its fake or real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkk Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 hey heres the guy and ink i bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ssPageName=WD1V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completionz Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 its the real shit. garvey is cool but not that sick, as some folks say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitcake Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I ve also bought the grog ink, i live in europe so for me it wasnot a big deal to get it, i just mailed the guy and he send me a box. About the ink, its really black stuff, it can be quite easily buffed when its applied on painted surfaces, but it cannot be removed from the plastic that they use inside trains, subs etc. It also cant be removed from i am not sure what the english word for it is but i call it nature stone, and marble and stuff like that. I think its nice ink. I also found a factory that makes ink for the leather industrie so went there and i bought some bottles, the guy that sold me the stuff said i could get pure leatherdye which i had to mix with a solvent to a 1/9 ratio, offcourse i wanted to use the stuff pure and i mixed it with some grog and started bombing. It rained the same night and all the leatherdye stuff pretty much rained away, turns out it really needs the solvent for it to become waterproof, i am still trying to get the ratio just right so it cant be buffed or at least leave some nasty stains. the factory i bought it from is http://www.stahl.com/html/intro_frame.htm they also have a distributor in the usa, i bought ink form theyre LD-59 series. I dont know if anyone else here knows about theyre inks, but i ll keep you informed about my findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugsly Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 i know this is way of topic now but back on like the 7-8'th pages we talked bout indian and how crap it is well its waterbased right and useing on anything other than paper isn't gona work,ive (well i liitle kid i no who i gave a "marker"(it has indian ink and waterbased blue ink and glue in it) to has a had a tag on a metal eletrical box for over a year now and its bin in the rain over and over and over (bear in mind this is the uk) and the damn thing just wont go away....you guys reckon this is just no one has try to buff it? .........and quick question cant indian be used to thin a stronger ink mixes or will it affect their staining qualities? (i would just try it but i dont wana waste any decend ink)cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitcake Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 if you put indian ink in with other ink it will fuck up the flow of your marker, the other ink will not flow thru the velt tip anymore and you can throw away your marker, at least thats my experience with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tremble Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 i mixed nero with dot 4. brake fluid (slightly too much) and it stains well nicely ill get some flicks of buffed tags soon.... if i added leather dye would it make it stronger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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