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hey man if there was no tone, my bad..that is the bad side of computers..sometimes shit comes across wrong. whatever its all good.

 

but to clarify the situation, basically, graffiti has gone international and global these days. when i started, in like 93ish in philly, all i knew was tagging, and i thought the king of the world was PEEL.iao from west philly. i had no idea that he was hardly famous outside that hood. then mags blew up in the mid90s and all of a sudden it was like "whos repping boston" or "whos up in SF"...and graff turned into comp with not just you block, but the whole country. then with the internet, now you see whos killing streets in amsterdam or berlin too.

 

so i mean fuck it...i hate 90% of 12oz and other graff online...cause its a weak shortcut for toys. but the other 10% is cool - its writers who paid their dues networking. i cant get to amsterdam, but i can keep up with whos wrecking shop. if someone like KEGR does a whole train by himself, i can see that, and be like "damn i gotta top that".

 

so for those reasons, i think the internet has value...its evens the palying field so you hafta to compete with the best of the best..not just be local and lazy. so, on a thread like this, im simply being like "hey, for anyone who matters, check out a sample of what me and my crew do"...for people that work a lot, its most likely just a fair showing of another working crew. like when BITER posts slew of TBK stuff, im into that. its a dope crew, and im into peeping what theyre up to now and then. thats it.

 

if mags were more judicious, maybe the net wouldnt matter....but graff zines are usually mad political. whoever owns it or puts it out selects photos of their boys and their friends. so a lot of times i see a mag and ill think "damn so and so is up in SF" and then i hear other wise and find out the mag is just showcasing friends. i find that online usually with kids throwing in tons of flicks usually ends up with an unbiased (relatively) view of said city. for me and my crew, i have a distinct interest in that process....since we dont deal with anyone who owns/runs a mag, and the cities we paint arent 'in vogue', i end up having to share photos now and then just basically to be like "heres what were up to"

 

some people will hate, sure, but thats graffiti. some people will dig it. some people, hopefully, will be like "oh damn i didnt know people were crushing streets in philly or pittsburgh". thats my goal. share some shit that wont get exposure otherwise.

 

if you think graff aint about rep and exposure, id be curios to hear what it IS about.

 

how all this relates to clean trains: my point to Europe was basically not all americans are lazy freight painters. and yes, sorry you guys, i love freights, but if youve done streets and roofs and tunnels and subways, fr8s are like a relaxingass day in the shade. but as much as id like to share subway footage, its not in my best interest, and its not good for all the other clean train people. kids have been doing subways in the US alot longer than me..and they set up the rules. i try to play along as best i can. do i like them? no. do i sort of understand why they exist? yes....legal safety. but part of me thinks that legal safety is somewhat of a coverup for what is really greediness....the kids that know about cleans want to keep it small and unknown...new players are frowned upon, etc,etc. hey thats cool...i dont dig it, but its not for me to dig.

 

bottomline: i love graff. i like seeing graff from all over the world so long as its good, and its real. i like to see stuff like say the LD crew in st louis, like guer and equal and zeam....i never get to STL, and i rarely see mags give them love...but without checking the internet, i wouldnt know of em. and its clear they crush. (you cant fake stacks of street level shit). same with the KUK kids last year. or lots of street shit in places like minneapolis or miami....places that get no magazine love.

 

i peep this shit to see what all the comp is up to...and share some of my squads stuff to let people know what pennsylvania is up to. the haters are gonna hate regardless, but for the real players out there, game recognize game, and no one is gonna be like "oh cheerleader is inventing some net fame"...people who know know we have been a tight crew for 10 years...not some fad. so me showing like 3 nights worth of photos is hardly blowing up our files...just sharing some shit with whoever is interested. if it isnt to your liking, its simple: reply with critical comments like "these guys suck" or close the thread, log off, and move on. either way, it all works out in the end.

 

the internet has its benefits...most of which is equalizing exposure and networking. some people can fake the fun, sure...but in the end the truth comes out...and people know if they come to our towns, theyll see us. we just bring you the flicks so you dont need to get on greyhound per se.

 

cleans will most likely never get shared online until america becomes less of a police state in regards to transit. and i dont intend to change that. but i cant lie and say it doesnt suck.

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all i got to say is that you flipped out on me a few months ago, engaging in long ass pointless discussions for posting a bunch of my own shit and now i guess it's okay for you to do it....personally i don't give a shit about you or any other person on this faceless board so i would only like to say that keep in mind that you are contradicting yourself big time here.....but then again this is the internet and it means absolutely nothing to me in reality, so i wouldn't bother responding to this...just try to think before you act.

 

oh and i'm glad you are such good friends with cense. whoops did i just say that?

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Originally posted by anti-social

all i got to say is that you flipped out on me a few months ago, engaging in long ass pointless discussions for posting a bunch of my own shit and now i guess it's okay for you to do it.... you are contradicting yourself big time here.....but then again this is the internet and it means absolutely nothing to me in reality....

 

anyone can post their own shit if they have rep and they are honest about like "yo heres my and my crew"

 

you tried to be slick about it, and you suck.

 

so, no, sorry, nice try mr sour grapes...no hypocrisy here.

 

but thanks for playing.

 

 

Originally posted by anti-social so i wouldn't bother responding to this...

 

and yet ya still did. word up.

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oh yeah antisocial, for the record heres what i said to you 6 months ago when you posted 20 of your own "BARON" pieces all from canada and none of anyone else but you. no one has ever heard of you (still).

 

compared to me posting a healthy mix of some of my own and mostly my boys, and clearly admitting (even labelling the thread title) as shameless self promo. 98% of the responses have been people mostly diggin it. you can hate on me or hate my graff, thats your perogitive. but dont try to play like its a double standard: you got hated on cause you have no rep and tried to manufacture it by posting 20 shots of your own fr8s, prolly ALL 20 of em. if i wanted do post photo for photo on the internet man, i could drown you in flicks. i simply posted one nights worth of trains.

 

heres the quote cut and pasted from me that you think is somehow hypocritical:

 

originally posted by cheerleader

but for the sake of fun stuff to look at, i am quite guilty of posting what my boys/crew has done..but i try to leave my own stuff out. sometimes, i include my own shit but i try to mix it up and have the ratio be heavy on the others and light on myself and friends. i mean no one wants to see people psot their own stuff, but at the same time most of my flicks are gonna be what got painted before what was rolling, so its like post nothing or post something. so in a sense i think a healthy ration of self promo is ok....but this thread is a good example of when kids go too far.

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Originally posted by Bad Swimmer

I'm digging it, but where are the Crnot flicks?

 

haha since this is metal heads, its all fr8s, and CRNOT is strictly a streets, roofs, tunnels and clean train member of the clan. both he and i are prolly the least fr8-painting dudes. honestly, the most crushingest dudes on steel are NECSKE TRE and ATAK right now for us. ONOROK, of course, but lately hes been on sabbatical. not for long though. if i can ever get crnot into a fr8 yard, ill post the flick no doubt.

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nice thread...

 

and Nise, one of your freights is sitting outside my bedroom right now. It's a straight letter simple on a grainer with light green fill with mber on the left and Dasar on the right. and somebody next to mber.

do you want me to flik it if it's still there this afternoon?

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Re: nice thread...

 

Originally posted by swiss cheese

and Nise, one of your freights is sitting outside my bedroom right now. It's a straight letter simple on a grainer with light green fill with mber on the left and Dasar on the right. and somebody next to mber.

do you want me to flik it if it's still there this afternoon?

 

 

ahah damn thats an old ass train...it was with NECS MBER and DASAR in like 1998. i only remember that shit cuase dasar only came out on a few fr8 missions back in the day. but yeah fuck it, flick it, man! my piece is horrrrrrrible but oh well.

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