Smart Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Originally posted by ARCEL what about when relying on yourself just dosen't cut it ? What are you talking about? I lost my mother when I was 15, I've lost an Uncle and both Grandmothers, I've lost 9 VERY close friends to drugs, cars and suicide. I've lost every girl I've ever loved. I've lost my passion to write, and to 'write' and to really write music. I've lost everything but... I remain, what would you have me do? One could make an argument that God is inside us all, and MANY do, but I choose to believe that I am God and just as impotent as any God in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 If you truly do believe in God and follow the bible, or whichever book you may try desperately to understand, you wouldn't be a writer. Unless, of course, you're a legal eagle wall painter. If you bomb, hit freights or transit, put up stickers... any of that kind of stuff... and you believe in God and the bible, well then... you're living a lie. You might as well be Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hahahaa.... I love religious wars. I've argued religion and politics tooooooo many times to even feel like trying my hand at this one. You all are doing a good job (heh not to *judge* anyone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Originally posted by Smart One could make an argument that God is inside us all, and MANY do, but I choose to believe that I am God and just as impotent as any God in the Bible. I think the word you were looking for is 'important'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 im·po·tent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mp-tnt) adj. 1. Lacking physical strength or vigor; weak. 2. Lacking in power, as to act effectively; helpless: “Technology without morality is barbarous; morality without technology is impotent” (Freeman J. Dyson). 3. 1. Incapable of sexual intercourse, often because of an inability to achieve or sustain an erection. 2. Sterile. Used of males. 4. Obsolete. Lacking self-restraint. No dude, I think he meant impotent. hahaha, bzzzz try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se_FOUR Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 "smart" or not?? you decide.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hmm, I am very well aware of what impotent means, thank you Dirty. In the context of what he was talking about, I think he meant to say important. Come on Smart, what did you mean to say??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Ok, he was saying that he was JUST AS impotent as any god in the bible because the god in the bible can't do anything more than Smart can. And I don't think he would've fucked that word up, good try though... I still vote for you're wrong. Important is middle school vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 yeah yeah...maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 ok then Joker.... So if you're a strict folower of the faith then you shouldnt be writing? I do agree that all of the major religions are strongly against acts of mischief (especially the Islamics) but again those books are ment as a guide, not as a law. It's only the men of the cloth that made these words into law. And think about this one for a minute.... Do you (Joker) feel that you've been given a gift with art? Sure you work hard at what you do and it's been a long path to where you are now, but dont you ever wonder 'Why me?' Ever suppose that you have found the path you're supposed to be on though this lifetime? Not every creature has to live like a monk to be doing God's work. I personally think that reaching your absolute potential is the only thing we can really do to appease this higher power. Dogma and ritual is NOT why we are here. I think we are here to used the gifts and the blessings we have. If there is a 'Dude-God' in the sky watching us, the one thing that must truly bother him is a life squandered. Writing your name on things is nothing compared to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T E A S E R Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 peep the sig... :lol: i have lost faith... in everything and everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoter Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 if there's a god how come there are so many religions and beliefs? i don't believe in god because of social, political, historical, scientific reasons....and because i take responsibillity for my own actions. all those holy books are primitive works of crap written by superstitious men several hundred years ago.it's a myth to me how people in this modern society still rely on their answers based on such garbage.aren't you an individual enough to make your own mind about what's right and wrong?there's a "god" within each of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 ^ those who forget the past are condemend to repeat it. It's really easy to say that the old ways are out of touch with how things should be done now, but there was some truth to it all. The simple rules of human decency and right vs. wrong haven't changed that much. Again it's not the words that matter in the ancient texts, it's the spirit of those words and how that spirit gives people stregnth. example: Back in the day pigs were filthy poison that you should eat. The religious leaders of the day said 'Dont eat swine' and many people lived because of those rules. Well pork is fine to eat today but many people choose not to. Why? Because it's a very simple act that gives them more conviction. They dont have to sacrafice their first born son, but they can offer a sacrifice to something bigger than them. People these days try to over complicate religion. Religion is not an elaborate 'matrix' code that you need to decypher. It's as simple as wathing a seed become a tree and admiting that there's no way for us to understand it's true nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiANEMeTion- Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I try not to belive in anything..makes me feel better about my self when I find out the truth.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Originally posted by Kilo7- Think about some old woman... Thats what Im talking about. I think the only real bad things I do is paint, and puff on some reefer. I do a lot of things for people. I give homeless people change. Ive served up breakfast and lunch on thanksgiving for a homeless shelter. I repspect my elders. I dont fight people for no reason. I never killed anyone. I dont steal from people. Basically, I try to follow a straight path, except for 2 things. If there is a God, Im hoping he wont trip on that stuff, and my ghetto pass into heaven wont get revoked. One thing that always gets me. I always get people wanting me to attend their church. I refrain from going because of what I said about not knowing what is the truth. Plus, I would feel like Im lying to myself. I know most of the people wouldnt understand what Im all about, and would not accept my faults. They would most likely expect me to change my 'bad ways'. I tell them Im a good person, and that I dont need to go to church to prove that. They say I need to go anyway, to hear the word of god and praise him. I dont know..to me its like kissing ass to get into heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 That's the big thing with all the major faiths: You have to repent for your sins and stop doing them. We're only human and we do have faults. I dont believe a higher power would forget that and expect us to all live like mother Teresa. We can't say things like 'Well I'm just a murdering cheat, and that's how God made me'. But there are little things about our character that we should try to improve upon. Things like being honest and accountable are good for the people we deal with and for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOatser Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I um......dont care. I rarely think about this. Nothing miraculously good ever happens to me, and I never get really depressed. I dont believe in Karma either. Maybe balance, not karma or fate. It just has no effect on my life so I never stop to wonder. Show me the light, and I will believe. If not, I could never make myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 all of these people seem to say 'Oh yeah God, prove it and then I'll believe' Well then that makes faith useless. With confirmation, faith becomes redundant. I have faith in gravity. Wait.. it's a fact gravity exists so I'd be a fool not to believe in it. Sorry buy religion doesn't work like that. And like I've said before a few times... You want proof that there's something much greater than us at work here? Look at a redwood seed. Then look at the tree. Do you ever think we'll ever be able to really understand how that works, let alone recreate that miracle for ourselves? even if you dont believe in a higher power, it's hard to believe in all the miracles we now take for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Then I should be all good. As long as I stay on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRONOLOGIK Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Why do people belive in god? Because they don't believe in themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Originally posted by Dirty_habiT Ok, he was saying that he was JUST AS impotent as any god in the bible because the god in the bible can't do anything more than Smart can. And I don't think he would've fucked that word up, good try though... I still vote for you're wrong. Important is middle school vocabulary. We HAVE a winnah! Gold Stars for DHabz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father John Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 WHY DID GOD KILL THE DINOSAURS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I'm gonna go with Spot on this one.... how come there's so many religions? Everyone believes there religion is the correct one, so does that make people following other religions wrong and incorrect? When everyone's dead, who's religion is right? Where are all the dead people waiting to be judged? What physical space does this "limbo" realm occupy? Is heaven in the sky? No, is hell beneath our feet? No.... who has the answers, I know it's not in a book, it's not in someone's knowledge. People follow religion to believe their life has purpose and meaning. They want to believe that they are here for a reason, and not just to live and die and suck the earth for all it's got. Does praying to something that's not physically there make the shittyness you've caused go away? Does it make it not wrong? Are your sins even really sins? I've got alot of questions, that nobody has answers to, not even a church, I don't buy that shit. I'd have to say I'm most apologetic to Kilo, because he seems to be on the right track to forgiveness. I live by "to each their own." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Originally posted by WebsterUno Then I should be all good. As long as I stay on crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Does praying to something that's not physically there make the shittyness you've caused go away? I think it can. Having a positive mindset can make positive things happen. Sure some people feel that they are being 'punished' by god which is why their life is such shit. They might think that they need to give more money to the collection, or even act out all the crazy things they hear in there head. These people are for the most part, fucked up, and a bad example of my point. Think of the exercise of visualisation. This may sound like some Tony Roberts bullshit to some of you, but unless you can see it happening first in your mind, you will not be able to make it happen in reality. Well I think prayer works a lot like that. If you choose to pray, well you're mentaly preparing yourself for things. Now just dont make psycho prayers or your kids will end up like Carrie. Remeber that movie? so yeah... the belief in God can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I honestly believe that no positive thought or action is wasted. and dirty... I agree with 'to each his own'... I'm just finding my own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 and I agree with no positive thought or action is wasted..... I guess it's all about what makes *you* happy.... some people use religion.... others don't. The one thing I cannot stand more than anything is people pressing their religion upon me. Like Mormons knocking on my door, that makes me furious. The reason why I respect your opinions and way of thinking so much is that you are not trying to press anything upon anyone here.... and that's very good in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 *believe* Dont confuse me with yourself, trekkie. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WebsterUno Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 oh... *I was talking to Mammerro* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 well yeah dhabs... I honestly believe that unless you find some answers for yourself, none of the things other people press on you will matter. Mormons think they are doing the good thing, but is getting more sheep for the flock a good thing? I would much rather see a convention of sheppards who can all stand alone yet still know they are on the same path. And most of the *sheep* aren't happy with what they have. It's really easy to live a miserable life and go to church on Sunday and think that everything will be good in the afterlife. Well if there is some reward/punishment at the end of this life, it would take an entire life to earn that reward. People should be able to have a few black marks on their record without being labeled as 'bad' for ever. I mean look at all the felons who have found religion and then made serious efforts to improve themselves and their community. They might be a little brainwashed, but if they've found a life outside of crime, great for them. damn... I'm running with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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