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JimboTheLion

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Guest imported_Tesseract

HAHAHAHA....shit, thats to good.

 

RIP, slow down cowboy, his life is going great, His financial life its his problem and his country wont be defeated because of his absence.

Deal with yours and fuckin relax.

 

 

 

PS. mandatory army pays SHIT.

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allow me to add my 2 cents..

 

anyone who has been on this board a while knows I went to the Army and hated

it. one of the things I hated the most was how ignorant the military truly is.

we used to have marching cadences which consisted of bashing saddam

hussein and osama bin laden. nobody there cared to talk about the link between

the bush family and the bin laden family, or the support the united

states gave to iraq during the iraq/iran war. nobody cared to talk

about americas support of israel as being the reason for the 9/11 attacks, they just assumed it was jealousy of the general

well-being of american citizens. if that were the case how come

the arabs dont attack canada, australia, or great britian?

they dont want you to think of that stuff, the military wants you

to risk your life over a barrel of oil and give a 'yes sir' and a

salute right before you do it.

 

i met maybe 3 people while i was in the army who were there for patriotic reasons. everyone else basically said they were there because they lacked direction in life or because they needed the college money, etc.alot of people in the military are there because they saw it as their

best option, meanwhile they didnt even know they had other options.

i think the age limit to join the military should be raised from 18 to 21.

i think age 18 is a confusing time for many people and the military

preys on that.

 

if you want to end terrorist attacks by the arabs..stop stupporting the israelis. simple as that. but the american government would never want to admit that 9/11 happened because of their own foreign policies being disliked by arabs. theyd rather paint the arabs as a crazy freedom-hating savage people. dont believe the hype.

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Rip, firstly your a complete fool, and I don`t prtend to know you or would I want to!

 

Tesseract. well put mate!!

 

 

And Mapo too, you 2cents was very worth it..

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Guest NoamChomsky

I sometimes feel out of place around civillians but I don't get mad at them because I have a hard life, and just because they're not roadmarching or spending all day on the SAW range doesn't mean they don't have a stressful and hard life. My decision to join was mine and mine alone. Alot of grunts try to make a spiritual high ground for themselves because they have hard uncomfortable lives. But it's all pointless bullshit posturing most of them are fucking losers who spend all their money on cheap bear and cheap women. I really dislike the majority of military people I've met, everyone thinks they're harcore but most of them are bitchmade.

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Originally posted by oneeightyone

well, cuz you joined the military dumbass, i dont get why people cry about killing people when that's what the military is about, kill people to make other people safe, fuck, stop crying

 

 

 

 

JUST DO THE LAST TWO

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i enlist into the army next week, i need to get my shit in order. im kinda excited, not to kill people or anything like that, well actually i would like to shoot a machine gun. i think it'll be a good expierience. what the hell, ive got nothing to lose.

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Allright.

I'm back again. It was a shitty day, but I got out of it. I went to the psychiatrist and told him what I felt about the situation, and he sent me home and put me on some kind of program.

Thanks to the guys who are giving me support!

Rip, you are dumb. First of all where did you get that I don't have a job from? I got a job at a recordstore wich pays about twice as much AN HOUR as the military pays for a WHOLE DAY. So you better believe me that the military is not a good way to save up money..

It's great for you guys who like it in the army, I have absolutely no problem with that, but it's nothing for me..

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Walked Both Sides of this Street

 

The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world that employs a volunteer Army. Most countries rely upon a mandatory military service model. In those countries, like the way it once was in the U.S., the average person considers military service to be an honorable obligation. During WWII in the U.S., men who were 4-F (physically unfit)were considered to be shamed by their unsuitability for service (poor eyesight, asthma, flat feet, etc.) In the prisons, the prisoners who were not convicted of serious, heinous crimes (murder, armed robbery or rape) begged to be permitted to fight. They even stated that they would be willing to get out of prison, go fight in the war and then return to prison after the war was over. In actual fact, once their service was completed, felons were pardoned.

 

The Marine Corps, always considered the "hardest" of the armed forces in the U.S., permitted thousands of prisoners to be enlisted. They were taken to the west coast by special freight trains, guarded by Marines armed with rifles and machineguns, stationed on the roofs of the boxcars. The men were permitted to leave the boxcars out in the country to eat (the Marine Corps set up field kitchens alongside the tracks in remote areas) and to relieve themselves. They were constantly under the watchful eyes of the Marines on prisoner-chaser duty. Almost all of these prisoners who volunteered went to the South Pacific, where thousands of them died in hellish amphibious landings against the Japanese.

 

The Marines lost 10,000 dead in three days taking the island of Okinawa alone.

 

In contrast, the Vietnam War lasted eleven years (more if you count the years that the Viet Minh fought the Japanese and after WWII, the French colonialists.) The French were defeated in 1954. U.S. involvement began that year, but regular military units were not deployed to Vietnam until later (1961) and were withdrawn in 1972 (Vietnamization of the war), leading directly to the fall of the South Vietnamese government in 1975.

 

I was an anarchist, and an atheist, in 1968. I started resisting the war way before I got out of high school, and attempted to apply for conscientious objector status several times before I graduated from high school, but the Selective Service System (draft board) was required to grant me a student deferment as long as I was in school.

 

They accepted my application and granted my C.O. status in 1969. My best friend at that time was a former U.S. Air Force ground security battalion trooper named Eric. He had finally refused to wear a uniform any longer after having killed several people with his M-60 machinegun during an attack upon his security battalion patrol outside Danang Air Base. I thought I was 100% right in my choices. Everyone I knew who had been to Vietnam said the same thing; "Don't let them send you there." I served two years alternative service in a rehabilitation hospital, caring for paralyzed men and boys.

 

After my alternative service was over, I started having second thoughts. I started thinking I had done the wrong thing. In 1976, shortly before my 26th birthday (the age limit cut-off) I renounced my former conscientious objector beliefs, enlisted in the Marine Corps, and requested "infantry," thinking that this would be the most likely route to a shooting war if one should come along.

No war came while I was on active duty. I was a peacetime Marine. Of course, since Marines do very realistic training, a few of them get killed every year just performing combat training. I did my time. I made sergeant, I got an Honorable Discharge.

 

During WWII, the U.S. suffered 330,000 dead in five years of war. In contrast, the Russians lost 20 million.

 

During the Korean War, we lost 33,642 KIA, of which, 2,415 died in the hands of the North Koreans while being held as POW's. The Republic of Korea (South Korea) lost 416,000 KIA. The fighting lasted 37 months, but the truce has yet to be signed.

 

During the Vietnam War, over 3 million Americans served there in eleven years of war. We lost 58,202 dead, of which 47,378 were combat-related. We also had 300,000 wounded, 2,338 missing in action (most never found) and 776 captured and held as POW's. (I have a neighbor who was a Marine, and was captured in a ground attack on Khe Sanh after having been shot in the abdomen with a 7.62x39mm rifle. He survived six years in a hellish North Vietnamese prison. The American prisoners, including my neighbor, were beaten and tortured for years.) The ARVN (South Vietnamese Army) lost 223,748 killed. The NVA/VC (North Vietnamese Army/ Viet Cong forces) lost 1,100,000 KIA, 600,000 WIA and 26,000 captured and held as EPW's (enemy prisoners of war.)

 

In the Persian Gulf War in 1990, we lost 148 killed. (That's right---one hundred and forty eight) and only 458 WIA. 121 were killed in accidents. There have been over 8,000 deaths since the end of the initial conflict. Estimated Iraqi casualties were conservatively estimated at 20,000 military KIA and 2,300 civilian KIA.

 

The present Gulf War has cost 312 coalition deaths so far. Casualty rates are creeping up slowly. But that is a far cry from the high casualty rates from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. The news media, like a bunch of vultures, reports every death in Iraq in a very intense tone. They are trying to create opposition to the war in Iraq, trying to create division between the two opposing viewpoints.

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"During WWII, the U.S. suffered 330,000 dead in five years of war. In contrast, the Russians lost 20 million. "

 

 

But you only entered the war in 1942, thats 3 years of war..

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Not so

 

The U.S. declared war on Japan and Germany shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii by the Japanese. The very first day of the war for the U.S. resulted in some of the worst damage--we lost most of the Pacific Fleet, and thousands of dead and seriously wounded men on December 7, 1941.

 

However, since that date was so late in the year, I guess "four years of war" would be more accurate.

 

Prior to declaring war, the U.S, had been supplying the Allied forces in Great Britain and free Europe with rifles, ammunition, and other military supplies. In fact, a particular model of British rifle, the P-17, continued to be manufactured in the U.S. in .30-06 caliber instead of .303 British caliber, and was used to arm National Guard and State Guard troops. My father trained with a P-17 rifle during his time in basic training in the U.S. Army Air Corps. (This was before the U.S. Air Force existed.) He was trained to fly B-17 Flying Fortress bombers. Several of my uncles also flew bombers (B-24's) against the Nazis in Europe, and one uncle (being from west Texas) served first as a horse cavalryman before the onset of the war, then as a tanker, in the South Pacific against the Japanese.

 

World War II was not an anomaly. It could happen again, easily. People tend to think of historical events as a "one time only" occurance. They think that Hitler was a one-time-only evil guy, something that can't happen twice. They are wrong.

 

If the Jewish families of Germany and Poland had each owned ONE Mauser rifle and twenty cartridges, Hitler would not even be a footnote to history. If the first time that the NSDAP and the Brown Shirts had invaded Jewish neighborhoods and began beating and killing innocent Jews, they had been met with a volley of 8mm Mauser bullets, the Nazis would never have come to power. Naziism and fascism were only possible IF THE POPULATION WAS DISARMED.

 

Don't you think for one goddam second this shit couldn't happen again. GO BUY A RIFLE AND A CASE OF AMMUNITION. And then re-read the Constitution.

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Re: Not so

 

Originally posted by KaBar2

World War II was not an anomaly. It could happen again, easily. People tend to think of historical events as a "one time only" occurance. They think that Hitler was a one-time-only evil guy, something that can't happen twice. They are wrong.

 

 

I totally agree, its called BUSH and the new american century....now, lets have some fun:

 

 

You can own as many rifles as you want, but when bombs drop from planes so high you cant shoot at, you're good as dead...Interested in investing on a patriot missile set on your porch Kabar?

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Re: Not so

 

Originally posted by KaBar2

Don't you think for one goddam second this shit couldn't happen again. GO BUY A RIFLE AND A CASE OF AMMUNITION. And then re-read the Constitution.

 

Yeah! Great idea, lets all buy guns!!!

 

Some americans and their 200 year old laws...

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Ok, I'll play. How many times have you heard of gangs of different races surging through American streets killing people with machetes and shovels? What would happen in your neighborhood if somebody started doing this? In Rwanda, they killed what, 300,000 people by hacking them to death with garden tools? She-iit. Not in my neighborhood, they wouldn't.

 

Very few countries in the world can mount a sustained air campaign. Even when they can, sometimes for some reason it isn't effective. In Afghanistan, the Russians bombed and strafed and shot rockets at the muj, in vast quantity, but they still lost. They lost because the Afghanis were all armed with rifles and RPG rocket launchers, and had lots of ammunition. The Russians could take a town, but they could not hold it unless they occupied it with a large, armored force.

 

I've said it on here many times, so I won't bore you with it again, but the reason we have democracy (sort of) in the U.S. is because if the Government decides to get froggy with the American people (Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc.) they will create the biggest goddamned guerrilla war the world has ever seen. You may have noticed that since the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City both the Government and the militia movement have toned it down a whole lot. I think the nut cases in the FBI who created Ruby Ridge and Waco have been muzzled by the Justice Department. Everybody I know who was pissed off at the Feds back then still has all their stuff. And they are pissed off again at this so-called Patriot Act and also the Patriot Act II.

 

As long as the people are armed, fascism cannot rule. They may control the city centers and certain key areas, but they cannot control everything. Liberty depends upon the ability of the People to resist. And ability to resist means the right to keep and bear arms.

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Sorry, se FOUR

 

I missed the fact that you're in UK. The U.S. came into WWI on April 2, 1918. It had been going on in Europe since 1914. Now you talk about a gruesome war, man, WWI was just about the worst. Destroyed an entire generation of European youth, pretty much.

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Originally posted by KaBar2

democracy (sort of) in the U.S.

 

 

 

As long as the people are armed, fascism cannot rule. They may control the city centers and certain key areas, but they cannot control everything. Liberty depends upon the ability of the People to resist. And ability to resist means the right to keep and bear arms.

 

wild wild west.

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Guest Andy Capp

jimbo. long time no talk.

sucks to hear that. i would be feeling the exact same thing. there's too many important and enjoyable things to do in life to spend a year in the army against wishes.

 

good luck with it. hopefully you can get out, or learn lots of cool things while you're there at least.

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Originally posted by JimboTheLion

Fuck you!

I'm not an american, so you don't have a choice wether or not you wanna go to the army. Dick.:yum:

 

See America ain't so bad afterall.

 

 

oh and if you ever say your "this close" to getting a girlfriend you really aren't.

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Originally posted by JimboTheLion

Allright.

I'm back again. It was a shitty day, but I got out of it. I went to the psychiatrist and told him what I felt about the situation, and he sent me home and put me on some kind of program.

Thanks to the guys who are giving me support!

Rip, you are dumb. First of all where did you get that I don't have a job from? I got a job at a recordstore wich pays about twice as much AN HOUR as the military pays for a WHOLE DAY. So you better believe me that the military is not a good way to save up money..

It's great for you guys who like it in the army, I have absolutely no problem with that, but it's nothing for me..

 

so how does the army work in europe? or even norway more specifically?? everyone is drafted for a year? or everyone is considered?

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