Poop Man Bob Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 http://au.news.yahoo.com/030717/11/kvue.html Bill Would Put Internet Song Swappers in Jail Internet users who allow others to copy songs from their hard drives could face prison time under legislation introduced by two Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday. The bill is the strongest attempt yet to deter the widespread online song copying that recording companies say has led to a decline in CD sales. Sponsored by Michigan Rep. John Conyers and California Rep. Howard Berman, the bill would make it easier to slap criminal charges on Internet users who copy music, movies and other copyrighted files over "peer-to-peer" networks. The recording industry has aggressively pursued Napster, Kazaa and other peer-to-peer networks in court and recently announced it planned to sue individual users as well. In a series of hearings on Capitol Hill last spring, lawmakers condemned online song swapping and expressed concern the networks could spread computer viruses, create government security risks and allow children access to pornography. Few online copyright violators have faced criminal charges so far. A New Jersey man pleaded guilty to distributing a digital copy of the movie "The Hulk" in federal court three weeks ago, but the Justice Department has not taken action against Internet users who offer millions of copies of songs each day. The Conyers-Berman bill would operate under the assumption that each copyrighted work made available through a computer network was copied by others at least 10 times for a total retail value of $2,500. That would bump the activity from a misdemeanor to a felony, carrying a sentence of up to five years in jail. It would also outlaw the practice of videotaping a movie in the theater, a favorite illicit method of copying movies. "While existing laws have been useful in stemming this problem, they simply do not go far enough," said Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee. The Recording Industry Association of America praised the bill and said it would help them fight illegal online copying. One copyright expert said the bill paints online song-swapping with too broad a brush as much of that activity does not rise to a criminal level. "We don't think it should be the role of the FBI to treat all copyright infringement as criminal," said Mike Godwin, staff counsel at Public Sector, a nonprofit group that frequently disagrees with the RIAA. A Conyers staffer said the bill had won the backing of many Democrats but Republicans had yet to endorse it. The staffer said backers hoped to discuss the bill at a hearing on Thursday and combine it next week with another sponsored by Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith, who chairs an intellectual-property subcommittee. "Once we have the opportunity to analyze the bill language we will be able to determine how it affects our fight against piracy," a Smith spokesman said in an e-mail message. Sooo ... how are they going to jail a quarter of the US population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i11igul Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 yah fo real, god damn metallica and other whiney ass bands who music aint sellin that good anymore complain like bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 it'll never go through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 seriously dude, thats why i fucking stockpile guns. fuck america. seeks/the whole 'fuck israel' thing still stands as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmieWalker Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Maybe the problem wouldn’t be such a big deal if they didn't charge $20 for a cd. I mean come on...it used to cost them what a dollar or two maybe to make a cd and they charged $15. Now it might cost them quarter or two and they are now charging $20. Greedy assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmieWalker Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Originally posted by casekonly it'll never go through If it does I will never buy a cd from a mojor lable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 iggidy iggidy-xactly. if a cd was only 9 or 10 bucks, i'd buy it, but fuck spending 18 dollars on a cd that's gonna suck for the most part anyway. not only do record labels need to quit being fucking greedy, but they also need to quit signing bands that fucking suck, and if bands expect to make it, they need to not fucking suck themselves. artists whine because they cant eat of their music, well, thats because you music sucks you pathetic piece of shit. you got signed cause you had tattoos and a bad-hair-day that sony mistook for cutting edge style. get the fuck outa here with that shit. die, fucking die. seeks/oh, and while you're at it, die some fucking more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 i just don't think it will pass...take, for example, kazaa, they can't shut kazaa down because most of their servers are in other countries...soulseek? well, soulseek doesn't have any servers blasting out music, it's literally peer-2-peer...i dunno, fuck metallica, fuck dems and the g.o.p. fuck 'em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 seeking, it's all about the pop factory...they try to turn out more sausage and hot dogs and forgot about the people that like pizza. weird analogy, but you get the idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 another fucking thing, is that i cant believe that this is even being fucking considered. jail time for exchanging songs? are you fucking kidding me? rapists get set free and people that trade music get sent to prison? i thought this was supposed to be a 'capitalist' society, i mean, thats how these companies are able to fucking rape everyone they come in contact with, yet they turn around and beg the government for legislation?! fuck you. seriously, shit like this makes me so crabby, but i also realize how powerless we are against it....which makes me want to break shit and shoot people in places of authority even if they have nothing to do with anything. ok, im gonna go get some food before i kick my monitor in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 it's not even 'pop' music thats really the problem. that stuff is usually pretty consistent in quality. i mean, if you like one n'sync song, your gonna like them all. it's shit like fucking 'puddle of mud' and 'nickleback'. these bands that front like they're rock, or indy, or god knows what, but really are just piece of shit with stick on eyes and scarves like mr. hankie. fuck them. ok, food now, for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 that's the whole thing, seeking...those bands...nickelback, etc...they are all part of the pop factory, too. that's why they were signed...they had that "it" that "the kids just love"... ok, here's a personal example...311 i used to love 311...i saw them in ATL alot when they just played hole in the wall clubs had the first two major label releases and some of their old demo's...good stuff...someone at the factory got ahold of them and they started changing around their third album. nick was being marketted to little higghschool girls and mtv picked up on that shit like it was a golden turd. 311 was forever ruined...i'm sure it went the same way with other bands...what was that one pop rock band that had that song about meth? holy shit, they had it bumpin' on mtv and the radio the whole time...it was catchy, but it was about doing a shit ton of crank...ha! they got one over on the pop factory...rambling again...damned hot and sour soup gave me a bad case of the shits and i'm trying not to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.yuck Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 i remember in the early 90's being able to pick up a CD for like 11 bucks. I don't see how they can justify charging twice as much now that the technology has become much cheaper in creating Cds. I really like the rage that you are feeling right now mr seeking. It gives me hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crave Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Originally posted by Poop Man Bob Sooo ... how are they going to jail a quarter of the US population? perhaps jail time is out of the question for most. but i could see them slapping fines on people left and right. maybe repeat offenders would get some time. i dunno, i hope that shit doesn't make it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 They have to catch me first. Using proxy servers makes finding the source of a request a rather mundane task. They may catch a few people, but they will never catch everyone. You all want to know the answer to thwarting their effort? >>>>encrypted IP tunnels and VPNs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandola Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 tell us dirty, tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyuzo Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 encrypted IP tunnels and VPNs What's a vpn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 well, it looks like Ill be buying CD's, burning them and then returning them for a full refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpo Marx Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Theres no way that could work. And also, (i know this was already said but still...) If you want to start making money for the music youre making, then dont sign all these bands that sound the same and suck. If a band sucks, why would I want to buy their cd for 18 dollars... speaking of which, who the hell has paid 18 dollars for a cd? My limit is 14. And it usually doesnt even have to come to that. It's all about mailorder ladies and gentleman.... and vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kido Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 bullshite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 seems right in line with all the other retarded shit going on. don't you know kids writing graffiti and downloading songs are the hardened criminals...not the murderers and rapists. if it goes through...I'll pee myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettiecat Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Maybe they need to realize they can't make money off selling CD's any more. Focus on making money through good concerts. Shit if you take away all the glamour money all that would be left is cats who love to play music because they are passionate about it. Get rid of people looking to get rich off of it and I bet you get rid of 95% of those bands that suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 A vpn is a virtual private network. It's like a LAN spread over a large area. The music makers could make money online off digital formats if they got some real nerds working for them. There's ways to make digital media exclusive to one computer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHorton Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Originally posted by Kettiecat Maybe they need to realize they can't make money off selling CD's any more. Focus on making money through good concerts. Shit if you take away all the glamour money all that would be left is cats who love to play music because they are passionate about it. Get rid of people looking to get rich off of it and I bet you get rid of 95% of those bands that suck. Wow, thanks for the revelation Captain Obvious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 awesome. now maybe jail will be filled with marijuana offenders AND people who were sharing music files. fucking radtacular. seriously. here's an idea, why doesnt the government get its fucking head out of its fucking ass for 2 minutes, realize they suck fucking cock for fun, and that they should possibly spend more time thinking about their record deficit due to insane military spending and the ever popular "war on terrorism" and how they are now looking to waste MORE time and money catching what i would imagine is mostly kids downloading music. but hey, i guess it really is the people who are against this right? the majority and all? since everyone loves paying insane prices for crap music. yeah, the governments doing a super job of representing the masses and not just some very rich people who suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHorton Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Originally posted by Tyler Durden awesome. now maybe jail will be filled with marijuana offenders AND people who were sharing music files. fucking radtacular. seriously. here's an idea, why doesnt the government get its fucking head out of its fucking ass for 2 minutes.... Your government... Year 2000, USA fed Gov't spends 18.2 BILLION dollars on "The War Against Drugs" ... of course if they would have sold mary jane at an average tax rate of 6%.. based on average "user levels" they could have made 1.9 billion annually, instead of spending 18.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Originally posted by Poop Man Bob Sooo ... how are they going to jail a quarter of the US population? easy. The'll just build wall around the borders and declare the entire United States a 'Restricted Freedom' zone because those p2p networks are obviously giving money to terrorist cells working on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 um, since when is it the governments responsibility to spearhead witch hunts for corporate causes? seriously, shit like this is sooooo going to fucking blow up in their faces. while its true that people are easily pacified by dumb shit and trivialities, the frustration is only repressed, not forgotten. theres a whole generation of kids growing up now, who saw the rodney king riots and thought one thing: "fuck, i would go to _______ and clean the fucking place out". all its gonna take is one spark, and shits gonna get retarded. and im not at all trying to sound like some stupid anarchist who falsly believes the whole world is ready to revolt, i just know that society is becoming more violent, more ignorant, and also more taken advantage of by big business. eventually, people will get sick of paying for air and they'll realize, hey wait, we don't have to. i duno, or maybe im just angry and im giving people too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 This would be similar to the "War on J-walking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjersey Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 fucken democrats:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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