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so whats the deal if theres a frequent spot of a few lines where trains happen to stop for awhile, not exactly a yard but more of a pit stop, ive been in the middle of a line and a train happens to stop there plenty long enough to piece on. what should I expect? Are they "getting up air" or switching up cars? should I be wary of humping cars? This happens a surprising amount that Ive seen from just walking down the tracks.

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Dont know about the U.S but in melburn that ushally means the trains waititng on a light signal or the tracks 2 change.We call them terminaters

when they stop like that.We get that a fair bit with our passenger trains although the times u get 2 actually paint a passenger train varies from 5mins-30mins.

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You should recon that spot more thoroughly, and often. First off, is it a junction? Are there 3 tracks merging to 2, or 2 merging to one? Is there a signal in front of where the engines stop? Is this just outside of a yard? If not, what's down the tracks for 2 miles in each direction? How often does another freight go by on another track while the first one is stopped? These are the things you should learn.

The short answer, though, is that if a train stops long enough to piece, and you can do so on an OUTSIDE TRACK (i.e. NOT standing on another set of tracks), and far enough back from the engines or around a curve so the crew can't see you, then you have a great opportunity - as long as you haven't misread what the spot is about. If it's a small yard or interchange (a junction where 2 railroads drop off and pick up from each other), there will be switching activity and workers walking around. But from your description it sounds to me like an in-the-hole spot, also known as a passing siding, where the tracks merge, so that a train going one way must stop and let another train coming the other way reach the doubletrack before it can proceed. These are great spots to hit if the train sits long enough. But I wouldn't hit it while standing on another track - something is probably coming on that track, or the first train wouldn't have stopped.

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here's the deal, theres three lines in about a 100 yard lengthwise spot, at the end two of the lines merge and im guessing to make way for an oncoming train. I've painted the spot before (after proper exploring of course) and nothing sketch happened. the train generally stops (when Im lucky enough to stumble upon it) for about 15 - 20 minutes, always freights. Sometimes clean, some painted, once or twice it was a FLAT walled CSX cars I dont know what theyre used for but god bless the soul that had them stop there, Ive actually caught huge rollers that cover end to end which was lucky as shit cuz we had planned to catch highway spots with em and the flat cars stopped mid piece. Ive never seen a crew worker down there the 10 - 15 times ive gotten that spot. Sounds like I fell upon a tight spot, I was just wonderin why they were always stopping there, now that you mention it, a train always does seem to pass coming the other way but the freight still stays ther for awhile.

-Lucky S.O.B. who stumbled on a Tight RVA train spot

I'll never te'eell!!

EBT

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Guest SIVIK

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U guys got your system locked down!Do u guys have passenger trains all through the U.S or just in the big city's?

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Re: ..

 

Originally posted by SIVIK

U guys got your system locked down!Do u guys have passenger trains all through the U.S or just in the big city's?

 

just in big cities

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Ramblers

 

I've never seen humping or a rambler, I guess cuz I only go to small spots...but after reading about ramblers on this thread, I got the shiznitch scared out of me.

Cracked, you said...

"This raises several safety issues: One, a train that is backing up, or cars that have been humped off, can run you down without you ever hearing an engine."

Did you mean that you can hear them (ramblers), they are just nowhere as loud as an engine, or are they completely silent?

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Ramblers can be really quiet, and roll really far from where the humping action took place. If it's real quiet in your area when a rambler (or group of them) approaches, you'll probably hear creaks and groans, but don't count on it. And as I said, any other source of noise in your area (idling engine, running reefer car) will mask a rambler's approach.

Many ramblers wind up colliding with other cars parked on the line they are shunted to, making a noise ranging from something like a bank vault door closing, to a loud BOOM! If they're humping in a hurry, or it's a trainee engineer, they sometimes shove them harder and faster than they should, and the collisions are fun and almost scary to witness. (The railroads who are concerned with customer service don't like to see these higher-speed collisions, because they can jar the freight inside the car and possibly damage it, as well as possibly damaging the car itself, so some of them print messages on the ladder like "handle car with care" or "no more than 4!", meaning "don't hump this car at more than 4 miles an hour".) If you hear those loud booms and bangs coming from a yard, they're humping, and ramblers are afoot.

I remember the first time I saw some rambling cars in my yard, there were 4 of them together just rolling merrily along, away from an engine and a couple brakemen, and I was like "Hey! There's a runaway train!" It took me a minute to understand they were doing it on purpose. At my yard there was a good spot to sit and watch the humping action, and one time they humped a flatcar down near me, two tracks away. It was weird to see this long, low, menacing sharklike thing cruising silently down the siding. It was no more than four feet high at any point but it would have flattened me and kept rolling at a serene 5mph if I had been in the way.

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Cracked-

So all you can do is make sure to look around alot while your painting to see if anything is coming down the track next to the line your painting?

Anything else?

 

This topic is the best ever, a couple years ago I was looking around trying to find safety info, it would have been great if I had found this back then.

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one time when i was at the yard i noticed a log car was making lots of noise as it rolled, it was also bumping up and down. one of the wheels had an chunk out of it, making a flat spot. i felt it each time the flat spot hit the track.

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yeah i almost got bagged 2 nights ago, ive been going to this yard for about 2 years, always chill, but the other night i have a cop car rolling on a bridge by me with a spotlight, then it went by and i went down the tracks away from the bridge more and hid, then im watching cops with flashlights all around where i was, then i have even more lights(the car spotlight) all around the whole line of trains i was hiding behind,i just stayed hidden for a bout an hour tille they left, then another 20minuted just to make sure, shit, the morale of the story is, no matter how many precautions your taking in your yard, u never know if theres other people not taking these precautions and blowing up your spot, so everyone needs to know how to take care of your spot and even as careful as you are, always expect your yard being hot and have everything(paint,bag,beer,whatever) ready to go

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well i just found the coolest yard...

 

anyways, i got a few questions on some things i noticed...

 

one train was pared up the tracks a little... it was making that sound that the brake lines release but it was doint it from the two front main engines and it was kinda ticking like that stopwatch on 60 minutes.... no other cars were releasing anything except for the occasional boxcar hissing...

 

does this mean the train is getting ready to move or is it gonna be there a while or waht? if im not mistaken this same train was there two nights ago when i drove past....

 

also, when trains are stopped like that overnight or for long periods of time, is there sleeping quarters or anything for the engineers in the main engines? not like im gonna, but if i were to go paint the engine, would i risk a conductor coming out of a door right beside me?

 

someone needs to explain the whole "waht happens when a train stops" thing for me :)

 

shadeone

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I'm not interested in helping anyone who wants to paint engines. Don't even bring that up. And yes, if you're near any stopped engine somebody could pop out at any time, or approach it and get in.

If you're looking at engines hooked to lines, or even just idling, you are in the wrong part of the yard to paint. Don't paint in view of an engine if you can avoid it.

Workers don't need sleeping quarters. They either sleep at home or in a motel if the job they're on leaves them far from home at the end of their shift. One crew doesn't stay with a train from origin to destination. They'll run one leg, then a fresh crew will show up and run the next leg. The railroad pays for motels and a cab ride from train to motel or vice versa. Most railroad jobs are regular or semi-regular routes so a routine has usually been worked out for how to keep workers close to home and reduce the amount shelled out for motels and cab rides. By union rules a crew is not allowed to work more than a certain number of consecutive hours (usually 12, sometimes less). Once the end of their shift arrives, they must park the train somewhere (a yard or passing siding); this is called "outlawing", and happens a lot if unscheduled delays occur on the train route. A new crew will have to be found and taxied out to the train to resume motion. (They can't just park a train any old place; if it looks like they aren't going to make their destination point before the end of the shift they'll work out an arrangement with the dispatcher as to where to park, and cab rides and motel or whatever.) A crew that runs a train a long distance one way during their shift will often stay in a motel, then the next day they'll be picked to run a different train going the other way, so they end up at home the second night.

As for the noises the trains are making: if you're hearing a hiss of air, and the ticking noise, that train will not be there for long. As I said you shouldn't be painting in view of engines, so I'd try to find a line with no engine attached. At my first regular yard, I stuck to painting the safer, quieter side for an entire year, learning the habits, patterns, and tendencies of the traffic, before attempting to venture deeper for better cars and riskier opportunities.

The type of question you're asking tells me you need more experience, both in general and also specific to that yard, before you should be painting near live lines and parked engines. That's always the area where you're most likely to get rolled on by workers and bulls. They're always coming and going from the office to the engines. It's the worst place to try and paint. Try another area and spend a lot of time just watching shit, learning patterns.

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heh, dont think i was gonna paint engies!! thats just stupid! i just wanted to know if the crew chilled in there cus when i was at a yard in north adkota, there was a train making the same noises i described and the condustor or whoever leaned out the window to tell me to be careful... but from waht i could see from the ground, there was no movement inside the cab on this particular train...

 

and i was just benchin and taking flicks today..... the train that i was taking photos of wasnt in the yard.. you know how a lot of yards or layups or wahtever are just like 8 seperate tracks that split from one main one coming into the yard? well this train was parked at another split off point far up the one line not even close to the yard.... like a temporary chill spot or something.... from waht i saw today, there wasnt that many engines at all, just the occasional pass through and a couple not attached to any length of cars sitting on some random side tracks... this yard is unbelieveable though... out in the middle of no where...

 

like i said though, i was by no means attmpeting to paint anything , especially anything with an engine on it making sounds like its gonna leave... this train was just the most visible from the road i was travelling on and i could see there was a king157 and a buncha other people end-to-end that made me want to check that train out first...

 

tomorrow is my day for scoping out the rest of the area and watching patterns in traffic and workers and stuff...

 

thanks for the info though, i appreciate it :)

 

shadeone

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If you are intrested in learning just about everything there is to know about the cars the yards the workers and the bulls, along with countless other subjects you should pick up the book entitled "Hopping frieght trains in america" This book was an awsome read and really helped answer questios i had in my head. Even though the book is based on knowledge that should be aquired if you are planning to catch out on a frieght it also gives you info that anyone who paints trains should know about. The book was written by duffy littlejohn and is a bit hard to find but if you search the net you'll most likely come across it......sorry if someone already spoke about this book i didnt bother to search because of my overwhelming lazyness. :)

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EVERY TRAIN IS A OPPERTUNITY, YOU JUST HAVE TO DECIED IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT. aND IM SURE ALL GRAFFITI ARTIST WILL.

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www.deadtrainbumbs.com

 

HOLY FUCK MAN..dont go into that deadtrainbumbs shit...im gonna be fucken para next time i go to a yard...fuuuuuuuuuuck

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Originally posted by raildeviant

Good looking out Cracked, info is always appreciated.

 

Not sure if any of you have these in your local yard, but over here, in the city's biggest yard which is half CN and half CP, the use of remote control engines is in full effect. Essentially, the worker walks along the tracks with a remote control and works the engine from there (you see, trains are BIG toys!!!). Its cool to watch, but is also very dangerous for a couple of reasons. 1) There is no conductor in the engine, so no one to blow the horn to tell you to get the fuck out of the way. 2) With the worker controlling the engine from the ground, you may be paying attention to him and not notice the ghost rider train coming at you from the opposite direction.

Another piece of advice. If you feel the need to close the door on an open boxcar so you can complete that purty end2end you have been planning (which I do not recommend), keep in mind that once you get the momentum built up the door won't stop until it slams shut, with or without your fingers in the way.

Play safe, clean your spots and never accept candy from men in trenchcoats.

 

 

Last summer I went to the CN day which was in one of the biggest yard in my city. We could visit all the area (like where they buff trains), and i had the chance to try this remote control...driving an engine Damn it was fun!!!

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