Daze One Million Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 i just heard on the news bout some "american" who got caught out helping al qaeda with getting cell phones to sleeping bags, as well as map out terrorist targets...hearing this really pissed me off, what is our nation comming to were even our own people are against us, i mean im not ignorant to the world, i know not everyone is a good guy but serously what the fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudMuffn Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 go illuminati #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 ..sounds like propaganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 cell phones and sleeping bags huh ? and now hes a terrorist. i dont know what to say WASHINGTON (June 20) - An Ohio truck driver who met Osama bin Laden and admitted plots against trains and the Brooklyn Bridge has pleaded guilty to felony charges and is cooperating in the investigation of al-Qaida, federal authorities said Thursday. Iyman Faris, 34, of Columbus acknowledged in court documents that he met bin Laden in 2000 at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan and provided operatives there with sleeping bags, cell phones and other assistance. Later, Faris received attack instructions from top terror leader Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, authorities said, for what they suggested might have been a second wave planned for New York and Washington to follow the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. ''This case highlights the very real threats that still exist here at home in the United States of America in the war against terrorism,'' Attorney General John Ashcroft said at a Justice Department news conference. ''While we are disabling al-Qaida, we don't believe it is disabled.'' Under an agreement reached May 1 and unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., just outside Washington, Faris pleaded guilty to providing material support to terrorists and conspiracy to provide support. Faris, who is represented by a lawyer and said in the documents he was not coerced to plead, could face 20 years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines. Sentencing was set for Aug. 1. He is a native of Kashmir who originally came to the United States in May 1994. He become a naturalized U.S. citizen in December 1999. Also known as Mohammed Rauf, he has been working as an independent trucker based in Columbus for several years. Under that alias, records show he was married to Geneva Bowling from 1995 to 2000 and lived with her in a small home in Columbus. ''That someone even associated with this craziness is right here in Columbus, it's sad,'' said Negla Ross, who lives next door. A government statement, signed by Faris, says that he was instructed by a senior al-Qaida operative to obtain ''gas cutters,'' probably acetylene torches, that would enable him to sever the cables on ''a bridge in New York City'' that officials said was the Brooklyn Bridge. Although the senior operative is referred to only as ''C-2'' in the documents, a U.S. law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity identified him as Mohammed. He was captured in Pakistan on March 1 and is said to be providing interrogators with a wealth of information about al-Qaida's global reach. Faris was told to refer to the cutters as ''gas stations'' so eavesdroppers would not get wind of the plot. In addition, Mohammed told Faris that he should obtain heavy torque tools - code-named ''mechanics shops'' - that could be used to derail trains in the United States, the affidavit says. No details about location or time of an attack is mentioned in the court papers, and they name only New York and Washington. None of the allegedly planned attacks occurred. The meetings took place in 2000, 2001 and early 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the government statement says. Faris' original contact with al-Qaida came through a second senior operative, named only as ''C-1'' or ''bin Laden's right foot,'' whom the government says Faris had known since the Soviet-Afghanistan war in the 1980s. The statement says that Faris researched the Brooklyn Bridge on the Internet and traveled to New York in late 2002 to examine it, finally concluding that ''the plot to destroy the bridge by severing the cables was very unlikely to succeed.'' He sent a coded message via the Internet in early 2003 to al-Qaida leaders: ''The weather is too hot.'' Earlier, Faris was asked by bin Laden associates in late 2000 to look into ultralight aircraft that could be used as escape planes by al-Qaida operatives, prosecutors say. Faris had mentioned his access to airports as a trucker, sparking interest in cargo planes because of their weight and high fuel capacity. In addition, Faris helped al-Qaida obtain 2,000 lightweight sleeping bags that were shipped to Afghanistan for use by bin Laden and other al-Qaida members. Using a disguise, he helped up to six al-Qaida members with travel arrangements so they could go to Yemen and also delivered cell phones and cash to Mohammed, court documents say. Ashcroft and senior FBI officials would not detail the circumstances of Faris' arrest. They also would not say whether Faris was part of an active al-Qaida cell in the United States, or whether any of his activities had previously been monitored. ''Where possible we will take the terror organization apart in large pieces and in this case one piece at a time,'' said Pasquale ''Pat'' D'Amuro, chief of the FBI's counterterrorism division. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, the Justice Department has obtained a number of guilty pleas from or won court convictions of members of alleged al-Qaida cells, including six of seven members of an alleged cell in Lackawanna, N.Y. The Faris plea, however, is unusual in that it involves direct connections to al-Qaida plots. Two alleged members of a radical Islamic movement allied with al-Qaida were convicted earlier this month in Detroit of providing material support and resources to the terrorist group by running an illegal document ring. One other man was acquitted in that case. AP-NY-06-20-03 0006EDT how do they monitor someones e mail ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudMuffn Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 thank patriot act1:idea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by TheStudMuffn thank patriot act1:idea: i know, but how do they actually do it ? do they contact the mail server or whatever you call it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 I back Iraq..Saddam Fucked your mom..GOOOOOO Islam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStudMuffn Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 i wouldnt doubt it arcel if they had some agrement or some crap like that, if not those heartless bastards can do it anyways without being detected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 why does this seem so overly pre-packaged and simplified? why would dude go through all the work of plotting against america, then simply 'give in'? i'm not saying it's not true, i'm just saying his confession, or more to the point, our governments news of his confession, is hardly worth batting an eyebrow at. what does al qaeda need sleeping bags for? so they can camp out in front of strip clubs, for allah. seeks/homecoming chicken/roost/party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by seeking why does this seem so overly pre-packaged and simplified? why would dude go through all the work of plotting against america, then simply 'give in'? no shit, if you have aol on the welcome screen it has a big blown up picture of the guys face with the headline "terror plotter right next door" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOUM Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 the whole thing makes no sence whats so ever.. ..sounds like propaganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 after reading so much about israeli mossad groups, organizing fake 'al qaida' cells, im incredibly skeptical of anything 'al qaida' related. seeking/boycott israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettiecat Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Its not so hard to beleive that an American would hate their country and want to fuck soem shit up for fame.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 well, firstly, he isnt an 'american' by birth, blue eyed and blond hair, like they portray it as. he's from kashmir and only became a citizen in 99. but also, bin-laden was notorious for being incredibly hard to get to, and selective of who he let around him. it is very suspect, that he would find cell phones and sleeping bags to be soooooo important, that he would need to meet with this guy, when any number of his henchmen, would suffice. also, if al-qaida were so organized, and such a threat, why would they rely on an 'outsider' as he clearly was, to supply them with simple tools they could have purchased nearly anywhere? acetyline torches are not hard to come by. it just reaks of 'see, it's still not safe, lock your doors and close your eyes as we strip your freedoms'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 i wouldnt know the first hing about that shit but seeking makes sense...all the other stuff just doesnt. Welcome to demonisation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettiecat Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 oh seeking i totally agree with you the whole thing just doesn't fit right. Personally I think "hunting" down terrorists is a waste of time. Tomorrow I could stub my toe, get pissed off at the world, blow a building up in Detroit, and say I did it for Al Qaeda. Its not like Americans have real freedom anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patatasbrava Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by Kettiecat oh seeking i totally agree with you the whole thing just doesn't fit right. Personally I think "hunting" down terrorists is a waste of time. Tomorrow I could stub my toe, get pissed off at the world, blow a building up in Detroit, and say I did it for Al Qaeda. Its not like Americans have real freedom anyway. sssssshhhhhhhhh... there listening...there on to us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapo returns Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by Kettiecat Its not like Americans have real freedom anyway. oh fuck. get over your self-pity 'i am oppressed' attitude. jesus christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PHYNE Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by Kettiecat Its not like Americans have real freedom anyway. aint it the truth,,,,,,, home of the free land of the brave?hahaha more like home of the enslaved......anyways...im gonna move to amsterdam fuck ohio its getting crazy here.......:lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallix Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 http://nnk.art.pl/endorfun/bullshit.jpg'> FUCKING LIES . LIES . LIES. STOP READING LIES. FUCKING LIES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOUM Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by PHYNE aint it the truth,,,,,,, home of the free land of the brave?hahaha more like home of the enslaved......anyways...im gonna move to amsterdam fuck ohio its getting crazy here.......:lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallix Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 LETS PLAY A GAME. ITS CALLED "CAN YOU SPOT THE LIES" http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p8d4c6f06ecb120087c6740c9a33c1456/fbeaa0a2.jpg'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallix Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Originally posted by seeking im a liberal piece of crap http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/impeach_web_bump.gif'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/img/debbie.jpg'> "Ya, because ya know that they have them "Sleeper cells." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Originally posted by Æ° http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/img/debbie.jpg'> "Ya, because ya know that they have them "Sleeper cells." ' haha good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallix Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 BumP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettiecat Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Originally posted by mapo returns oh fuck. get over your self-pity 'i am oppressed' attitude. jesus christ. I don't have an "I'm oppressed" attitude, I have a "lets be realistic" attitude. We may have more freedoms than some but we are not "free". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satrdae Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 ^^^^^^^^^^^ that is the fuckin truth! and anybody who believes otherwise needs too wake the fuck up and smell the New World Order! Thanks to all you lemmings who religiously represent with your stars and stripes gang signs we are on our way to a one world gov't that will have people killing themselves because hell will be better than the world we created. This power thirsty terrorist, Osama W. Bush, or george, or whatever that we put into office has a loyalty to another organization before the American People! Bush senior is a member of the largest, most powerful terrorist group there is so I'm sure his son has the same affiliations and goals. for those that don't know good ol george daddy bush knowingly helped fund Hitler and the Nazi Party, and we just elected his son!!!!! Ignorance IS bliss, and the majority of us aren't knowledged enough to see or don't want to accept what is really going on. knowledge is power, and ignorance is slavery. Learn what this war is really about and what those in power, right now, really have in store for this world. or march like lemmings of the cliff of freedom and drown in the New World Oder. WAKE UP! YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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