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cjd333

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Yeah, let me use a system that is always sucking up bandwidth when my computer is turned on, that has no sort of moderation whatsoever, and that people can easily use to hack into my system. Then I'll stick my ass out the window with an open invitation written on it for everyone to come inside. Sure! BitTorrent! Yeah it's alright that their webpage (at least the one that I have seen) is entirely in text, and there is no sembelence of any proffesionalness on it. For all you know it's run by a bunch of hax0rs waiting to rip your shit apart. I'm all set with bittorrent, I'd rather find my mp3s using a ftp server.

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Yeah, let me use a system that is always sucking up bandwidth when my computer is turned on, that has no sort of moderation whatsoever

 

That's what will keep it from getting shut down.

 

and that people can easily use to hack into my system.

 

Did you read somewhere credible about a security flaw in BitTorrent that you could link and share with us?

 

Yeah it's alright that their webpage (at least the one that I have seen) is entirely in text, and there is no sembelence of any proffesionalness on it.

 

Many very good webpages are mostly if not entirely composed of text. Have a look at www.gnu.org. What do you know about proffesionalness anyway?

 

For all you know it's run by a bunch of hax0rs waiting to rip your shit apart.

 

hackers don't wait to exploit systems because they can do it at anytime. You'd be surprised at what the majority of the population would consider to be a hacker.

 

I'm all set with bittorrent, I'd rather find my mp3s using a ftp server.

 

That's not a bad way to get Juarez either.

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fixooB.reg

 

Alright I'll explain my personal view a little bit more for you.

 

Originally posted by cantbefaded

That's what will keep it from getting shut down.

 

From what I read a couple of times on their page, this program is constantly running on my computer. I don't care if they can't shut it down, they won't be able to shut down WinMX or Kazaa either but I'll be able to shut the program off. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would market a program that you couldn't turn off, but then again I never thought Microsoft would actually give spammers direct access to your computer with their messanger system task.

 

There's just something about 7000 people d/l'ing the latest south park episode from lord knows how many computers at once that seems like one big freeloading leechfest happening on my machine and slowing down my porn sites.

 

Did you read somewhere credible about a security flaw in BitTorrent that you could link and share with us?

 

Look, I'm not going to call you ignorant. Did you read something credible about security flaws in ICQ, IRC, KAZAA, or even AIM when they first came out? How about AOL, or even the internet? No, you don't read about those things until they happen. I don't know how this program runs, but apparently it accesses your harddrive on request and it doesn't APPEAR to have a team of techies working around the clock to solve problems. What it looks like to me is a couple of college kids who wrote a script to share files. I am not going to be one of those people who learns the hard way about how easy it is for someone to hack into your computer with an IP address, some OS knowledge, and an open port.

 

Many very good webpages are mostly if not entirely composed of text. Have a look at www.gnu.org. What do you know about proffesionalness anyway?

 

You're preaching to the choir on the first sentance and to answer your question, only what I've seen in the movies. :scramble:

 

hackers don't wait to exploit systems because they can do it at anytime. You'd be surprised at what the majority of the population would consider to be a hacker.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to hear what the majority of the population thinks about anything because I already know they are idiots, particularly when it comes to computers and the people that know how to use them. As for hackers exploiting a system at any time, that was my point in my original post. I don't need another open door on my computer.

 

If you know, tell me who is making this bit-torrent service. As far as I know it could be a room full of monkeys typing in C++.

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ummm

 

so i left like around 6 this evening, before i left i downloaded this bitTorrent shit. i clicked on some Mandrake link and some Style Wars link, but im 86 percent sure i X'ed out of both of them. i come back around 12 and i have 3 less gigs than when i left. WTF. someway, somehow, they downloaded while i was gone.

 

what im confused about is, how could my weak computer download about 2.5-3 GIGZ within 6 hours, when it took me about 8 hours to download Xmen2(about 1 gig) off mIRC?

i deleted that mandrake shit (2 gigz) but i think ill watch style wars.

 

<----not sure if this bitTorrent thing is good or evil...

haha and good luck arguing with dhabz on this, he knows his computer shit pretty well. http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif'>

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Re: fixooB.reg

 

From what I read a couple of times on their page, this program is constantly running on my computer.

 

Please show me which part of the site says that, I've read the protocol specs, and it SEEMS to say nothing about running as a service / daemon.

 

 

It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would market a program that you couldn't turn off...

 

It's called windows, you know how many times I've seen someone else's computer, and the taskbar is loaded up with all the bullshit the pc shipped with? The average computer user hasn't the slightest about what RAM is.

 

 

I never thought Microsoft would actually give spammers direct access to your computer with their messanger system task.

 

That's not difficult to disable. Aside from that, many netizens use routers that do not allow incoming connections.... which means no Netbios messages from the outside network...

 

 

There's just something about 7000 people d/l'ing the latest south park episode from lord knows <span style='color:"black"'>how many computers at once that seems like one big freeloading leechfest happening on my machine</span> and slowing down my porn sites.

 

Where do you think free files come from? Anytime you download anything, you're leeching off of someone else's bandwidth that _they_ pay for. Next time you're out leeching on your P2P program think about that one before you disconnect the "leechers". You just contradicted yourself.

 

 

You don't read about those things until they happen.

 

Not true, there's many "white hats" that hack for good and for awesome, and not evil... which means, they find holes in programs and submit bug reports, virtually fixing the flaw before it was ever noticed.

 

 

I don't know how this program runs, but apparently it accesses your harddrive on request and it doesn't APPEAR to have a team of techies working around the clock to solve problems.

 

http://sourceforge.net/projects/bittorrent/

bam

 

 

I am not going to be one of those people who learns the hard way about how easy it is for someone to hack into your computer with an IP address, some OS knowledge, and an open port.

 

Paranoia is not a complete security solution. Open sourced software is most always very secure. :cough: Windows....

 

 

I don't need another open door on my computer.

 

If you already have one that you know about, why is it open? You're paranoid of something that you're not sure exists.

 

 

As far as I know it could be a room full of monkeys typing in C++.

 

That's none of my business.

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cjd333, you're so ignorant it's painful. BT is the P2P out there right now. I don't care about flashy icons, stylish design, useless "plug-ins" - I want a professional and minimalistic program that does what it says on the tin. BT delivers. Chances are, it'll stay up longer than Sharman Networks. BT is what the professionals use, apart from IRC etc.

 

Why don't you turn off Swordfish or whatever "hacking" films you've been watching and realise that less is always more. Flashy content is for kids. Your concerns over security are absolutely ridiculous. Firstly, I'm sure you'll be running ZoneAlarm Free, or whatever snake-oil you saw featured in PC World. Then, you have to realise that no-one actually gives a damn about the content of your HDD. Most people who talk the most about security, and think it's cool to be paranoid, frankly don't need to be.

 

By the way, hackers aren't what you are thinking of. You are thinking of cracker script kiddies.

 

I love people like you. Gullible file leeches should stay with Kazaa. Proper file-sharers are to be found on IRC and newsgroups. Oh, no, not enough useless graphics and RAM-intensive bullshit. Oh well. Keeps it free of losers I guess.

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mmmmmmmmmm, swordfish

 

I typed a great reply but then 12ozprophet logged me out and I lost my reply in the mix.

 

cantbefaded - Basically I said that before this turns into a fanboy arguement, I'll just tell you that my opinion isn't changing although you have clarified a little bit of misinformation on my part. My whole point about not knowing about problems with it and being paranoid and all that is that I don't know what problems there are and I am paranoid about it. I never really trust any internet software, even the ground roots shit and I like to wait a little while to see what problems there are with software. That's why I didn't get Windows 98, 2000, or ME (yeah I oughta start learning linux already). Maybe in a year or so if Bit Torrent is still around then I'll pick it up, but then again maybe I will not. I'm pretty happy with WinMX right now and I'm not that much of a copyright infringing addict that I need crazy ass upload/download bandwidths.

 

I really had a point for point response but it's lost in the cyberwinds now. Thanks for not being a dick about responding though, I appreciate that. You should check out the Slashdot links on that page you posted cause there is some good discussion over there that is a lot more technical than you'll get from my artsy ass.

 

 

 

PrimalFear - Since you seem to take what people say and twist that to support your snotty view on reality, I'm glad that ignorance pains you as you must be doubling up in pain now. Since you care so much: I haven't seen Swordfish, I've never heard of ZoneAlarm Free, I don't read PC WORLD ever, Britney Spears seems to be the music out there right now, and proffesionals use AOL too so what the fuck do I care if they use BitTorrent? I don't care at all. I've probably been using IRC longer than you and even if I haven't the basic point is I know what I see when I see it, and you don't have to tell me I don't know what a script faggot is. I'm sure you had 7th sphere and a copy of winnuke on your computer before once so don't act like you are Mr. Purist Cool.

 

And don't try to tell me that you can't hack a Manhattan traffic light using a payphone and rollerblades either, dick.

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BITTORRENT IS OPEN SOURCE!! There is little to NONE in the way of security flaws. I didn't want to call you ignorant before either. I do read SlashDot and maybe you should have a look too as to avoid speaking on subjects you're not knowledgable about. There's always someone that can teach you something and knows more than you.

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Re: mmmmmmmmmm, swordfish

 

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cantbefaded - Basically I said that before this turns into a fanboy arguement, I'll just tell you that my opinion isn't changing although you have clarified a little bit of misinformation on my part. My whole point about not knowing about problems with it and being paranoid and all that is that I don't know what problems there are and I am paranoid about it. I never really trust any internet software, even the ground roots shit and I like to wait a little while to see what problems there are with software. That's why I didn't get Windows 98, 2000, or ME (yeah I oughta start learning linux already). Maybe in a year or so if Bit Torrent is still around then I'll pick it up, but then again maybe I will not. I'm pretty happy with WinMX right now and I'm not that much of a copyright infringing addict that I need crazy ass upload/download bandwidths.

 

 

There it is again because it doesn't look like you read the paragraph I wrote the first time around. That's great that it's open source. Maybe someone can make a CTF modifaction for it or whatever you can do with open source. I'm still not going to download now or anytime soon. Even if you paid me.

 

It is too bad that my views on the subject make you so irate. I am knowledgable about what I posted in my last message which was my opinions on the subject and my decision not to download the program. Read the paragraph directed at you again and tell me where I laid down any technical information about BitTorrent. Maybe you should not take messages on an internet board so seriously in the future.

 

You should check out the Slashdot links on that page you posted cause there is some good discussion over there that is a lot more technical than you'll get from my artsy ass.
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Haha, a CTF mod.... that'd be fantastic. The bittorrent gui is rather limited though, I dunno what kind of miracles they'd have to have to make that work. Anyhow, I'm not irrate. It really doesn't make a huge difference if you get the program or not either. There's PLENTY of faithful users out there to LEECH off of.

 

Here's what you should do mr. knowledgable.... you should learn how to hack it and then tell us about vulnerabilities and security issues in BitTorrent. Right now you have next to no credibility.

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hey mikro or anyone else,

 

any idea why Style Wars wont play in winamp, wmp, quicktime, realone or divx player 2.0 alpha?

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heres why it wont play, it hasnt fucking downloaded!

i guess when you go to download a file, it creates the size of the file right away before it starts to download it, so even after i cancelled the download i still had a 691 mb file sitting on my desktop.

 

no wonder.

 

remaining time to download style wars : 327 hours.

 

 

damn. no thanks.

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Originally posted by cantbefaded

Here's what you should do mr. knowledgable.... you should learn how to hack it and then tell us about vulnerabilities and security issues in BitTorrent. Right now you have next to no credibility.

 

 

I told you it's mainly a matter of how I use my computer. I am not an early adoptor of these types of programs because I don't feel the risk is necessary, that is plenty credible. I'm not claiming to state facts or statistics, I just don't feel like entrusting that program just yet, sorry if there was any confusion.

 

Maybe I'll go pick up "Hacking for Dummies" tommorrow at the bookstore and take you up on your challenge of finding vulnerabilities and backdoors in BitTorrent. :P

 

I bet if you put John Carmack to work on BT he could code some sick ass netplay code. He'd just have to incorperate the Quake engine in there somehow. Capture the X-Men 2 ISO. Whoever wins the match gets to download the warez.

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