Joker Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Originally posted by rize415 if by critiquing u mean saying i'll never be able to paint something decent... I never said you will never be a decent writer. What I said was that experimenting is when you go beyond all normal means and shoot for the stars. It could be something as far off as possible that you know deep down you'll never be able to paint. Much less care to. It could also be something that will inspire ideas that you will be able to paint. If the outline you posted was something you wouldn't normally do, then you were progressing... not experimenting. There's a huge difference. Both are good steps to take, and I would never shoot you down for either. I basically took your use of the word 'experimenting' too literal, on purpose, and saw it as a good opportunity to post something that's been sitting in a folder for years. The Rize outline isn't bad. If it were me, I would have kept the top bars of the I and Z straight and made the lower case E, upper. The flow of the piece would have been smoother. And I would also have made the I a little higher than the R. The Z a little lower than the I and the E a little higher than the Z. You know what I mean? The straight bottom line thing works good for old California style funk pieces and old Baltimore spaghetti pieces. But when it comes to simples, it just falls short. That's my opinion though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thanks for the good words guys. Tess, no... I haven't seen the old Zedz cars. Is there a link I could check out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Joker, you got mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Actually, you dont...I got a Unable to deliver message to the following address message, hit me with a valid address on hypercube101@yahoo.com if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Green Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by Tesseract Jesus joker, thats fuckin sick...brilliant...have you seen some similar stuff that dude from holland ZEDZ was painting on trains for a while? i recently worked on a group show which showcased some work by zeds and some architects in zee nederlands. i love that place.. even though the food wasnt anything to write home about. the clogs... the tulips... the women... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eseLokE1uno Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 JOKER! that shit is crazy did you also design it to function? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by Al Green i recently worked on a group show which showcased some work by zeds and some architects in zee nederlands. i love that place.. even though the food wasnt anything to write home about. the clogs... the tulips... the women... Agreed, wonderfull place...was that the project that Delta and some others participated as well?...if yes, its a shame when so dope writers do so weak stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 ...I'll just post it here, i was wrong, that stuff was on walls, not trains...still awesome: http://www.fuckthebuff.com/tesseract/zedz1.jpg'> Scanned from a 95' Bombers Magazine (Dutch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON2.0 Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Yo that looks like that fake chinesse writing that linkin park used on there first CD if I were you id experiment with something else like good letters............:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Re: JOKER! Originally posted by eseLokE1uno that shit is crazy did you also design it to function? That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eseLokE1uno Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 i thought so, very dope. you should construct one for your next show:idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HECZONER Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SPEECHLESS!!!! NICE APPROACH!! BUT DOES ABSTRACT REALLY EVER WORK? ISN'T IT ABSTRACT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK, ITS NOT SOMETHING ORDINARY, NOT SOMETHING VALID TO WHAT WE SEE AS SOMETHING NORMAL, SO... THE QUESTION!! DOES ABSTRACT REALLY WORK?> (AND I MEAN, OUR ABSTRACT, YOUR ABSTRACT!! OFCOURSE TO NON GRAFF HEADS THE LETTERS THAT WE CREATE ARE ABSTRACT, I LOVE YOUR WORK CUZ YOU TOOK SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY ABSTRACT AND MADE THAT ABSTRACT ((IF THAT MAKES SENSE)) IT DOES TO ME~! BUT YEAH, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE WHOLE MAKIN IT WORK AND NOT USE USELESS THINGS JUS TO FILL SPACE. I KNOW I DO IT!! I DONT THINK I'VE DONE ANYTHING AT ALL THAT DIDNT HAVE USELESS PIECES ON MY PIECE!! NO BULLSHIT JOKER, YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NAME TO. PROFESSOR JOKE!! FROM CALLING OUT STYLES THAT PIECES RESEMBLE TO, TO EXPLAININ SHIT LIKE THIS. IF YOU EVER TEACH A GRAFF CLASS REST ASURE I'LL SIT FRONT ROW, AND WILL BRING YOU AN APPLE EVERY DAY!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melty Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 I will be in the back corner shooting spitwads toward the front and scribbing on the desk. Coming in all late, smelling like trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rize415 Posted May 14, 2003 Author Share Posted May 14, 2003 Originally posted by Joker I never said you will never be a decent writer. What I said was that experimenting is when you go beyond all normal means and shoot for the stars. It could be something as far off as possible that you know deep down you'll never be able to paint. Much less care to. It could also be something that will inspire ideas that you will be able to paint. If the outline you posted was something you wouldn't normally do, then you were progressing... not experimenting. There's a huge difference. Both are good steps to take, and I would never shoot you down for either. I basically took your use of the word 'experimenting' too literal, on purpose, and saw it as a good opportunity to post something that's been sitting in a folder for years. The Rize outline isn't bad. If it were me, I would have kept the top bars of the I and Z straight and made the lower case E, upper. The flow of the piece would have been smoother. And I would also have made the I a little higher than the R. The Z a little lower than the I and the E a little higher than the Z. You know what I mean? The straight bottom line thing works good for old California style funk pieces and old Baltimore spaghetti pieces. But when it comes to simples, it just falls short. That's my opinion though.. gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymity1 Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 It's all abstract, the second your pen or whatever touches the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HECZONER Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 ^^^^^^^^^ what if you're writing a letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss cheese Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams. I edited what I wrote originally because I'm not an electrician, i live with an electrician and I'm an architect. I cant say for sure whether it would actually function, but the idea and concept are great. I enjoy "mapping" or relating graffiti and art to the more scientific arts as you have done. In school I once designed a NYC police station based on Graffiti. The concept was driven more on the letter structure and aesthetic of graffiti, than the culture. I dont feel like describing it now, but the point is the final product "worked" as a functional system where each piece needed the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HECZONER Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 ^^^^ id love to see a pic of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToYs Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Re: Re: JOKER! Originally posted by Joker That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams. WOW. I never really had thought of it in that way until ths day, i could never understand why i couldnt bring myself to ad those dumb little extra lines to make my piece more complete, i was considering trying it too. now im not. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Originally posted by rize415 http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00278711f00000261.jpg'> http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL55/1072633/2013377/25477268.jpg'> http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL55/1072633/2013377/25477261.jpg'> iwouldnt say anythign normally but i just though wwow tats soofamiliar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rize415 Posted May 17, 2003 Author Share Posted May 17, 2003 ^^^ where are those from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRyzeR Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 there is 1 a rize in boson , nyc , la every where TERRA-RYZE-R;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melty Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ^^^^^^:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rize415 Posted May 17, 2003 Author Share Posted May 17, 2003 alrighty.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rize415 Posted May 18, 2003 Author Share Posted May 18, 2003 just finished this.. http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00278711f00000267.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neskoner Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Originally posted by Joker Experimenting? Sorry kid. When you experiment you take things to a whole new level. Experimenting is best kept for things which you know you'll never be able to paint, much less care to. You experiment with ideas that will break ground. October 1993... a little experiment I did. Based on electrical drawings from the early 30's and 40's. Says 'SIE' but the E was never completed. Though it's there in it's simplest form... three horizontal lines. Beautiful..:dazed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Originally posted by rize415 ^^^ where are those from? seattle. those are just his simples, im not gonna post his other stuff for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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