Guest BROWNer Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 people make me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst THERE ARE NO FREEDOMS ANY MORE.... IF YOU HAVE FUN AND SOMEHOW BECOME THE LEAST BIT HAPPY WHILE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY... VERY LUCKY... You should consider yourself a bitter teen, VERY bitter... If the "oppresiveness" of the US government is overwhelming then you are a whiny little bitch who needs a holiday in Cambodia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ikueism Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 I'm not DEfending anything, I'm Offending you, sukkka... go tell it to a brazilian street kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 no, you obviously misunderstand. NO DRAMA. You're a BITCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst AMERICA, AS AN IDEOLOGY, IS DEAD... THERE ARE NO FREEDOMS ANY MORE.... IF YOU HAVE FUN AND SOMEHOW BECOME THE LEAST BIT HAPPY WHILE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY... VERY LUCKY... oh right, I see... it's me that loves the drama... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst IF YOU HAVE FUN AND SOMEHOW BECOME THE LEAST BIT HAPPY WHILE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY I think you are a spoiled kid who doesn't know how to deal with his teenaged angst. Spoiled in the sense that you don't have the faintest idea of how lucky you really are. Like Smart said, 'Go tell it to a Brazillian street kid'. Or any kid who was born in a developing country. People in those less fortunate countries have learned to appreciate the things make them happy, while we pump out idiots like you who latch onto an ideology because they have nothing better to do. You are responsible for your own happiness. Don't blame your angst on America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst I WANNA SEE SOME OF YOUR GRAFF, SMART... I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOU HAVE DONE ANYTHNG WORTHY OF BEING "KING OF 12OZ" AS YOU CLAIM TO BE... well, find where I claimed to be "King of 12oz"... then I'll let you see the front side of my nuts (for a change)... "Even jesters get tha crabs on 12oz!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Oh, I get it, but why so angry? That's all I was getting at. Having traveled to a couple developing countries, I've never met anyone who comes across as pent-up as you do. 'ARRGH! TYPING IN CAPS WILL MAKE PEOPLE SEE MY SIMPLISTIC VIEWS ON THINGS! ARRGH!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst THE MORE YOU HAVE, THE LESS OTHERS HAVE.... GET IT? says the whiny little boy with the computer and internet connection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 eh....not to single anyone out or anything, but... this whole 'be thankful for what you've got' rebuttal as a means of flippantly sidestepping the core concern(s) about this war, and america's role in the world is a little played, sort of like the whole 'fucking hippies' thing about anti-war people... in mr. 'vandalize the system' signature guy's case it may be warranted, but....can we not dip into that cheese from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Brown, agreed. But when things are stated in such a simple, black and white way, its hard to take the statements seriously because they smack of ignorance. edit**razemachinesytemoner, or whatever, taking a quote out of context is not cool and just makes you look weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 doesn't the fact that Raze misquoted me just show the ineptitude inherent in his whole argument... he doesn't know why he's "anti-America", he's just doing it because it's cool, like Susan Sarandon... (But, I do admit a certain weakness for Ms Sarandon, ever since I saw her tits in Rocky Horror... 125 times (well, 2 tits so 250?)...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 *for the record, I started my reply before efyoo edited his post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 listen, i think both of you are coming off retardley. sorry. and i'm sorry i poked fun at your signature... you listen to rage against the machine right? i'm not on anyone's side...in my perfect world i am unique and special..:tongue: most of the so called 'anti-war' people on this site, while having good sincere intentions that i support, haven't really said anything that makes me want to be all pally with them...i think your heart is in the right place, but your thinking is not..really...my style..or at least the way you communicate it.. anyways..this whole e-anonymity thing really turns people's brains to mush. i am the all knowing BROWNer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Either way, we're saying the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Honestly, I don't care what a person believes, as long as they actually believe it... I revel in pointing out false piety however... blame it on the catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by razeagainst im not "anti-war" or "anti-american" those are labels deez fools slapped on me to give themselves a much needed vantage point, since they lack a sound argument... I'm sorry, I thought I made it immediately clear that I thought yoyu were STUPID and SPOILED... anything else I called you was just a euphamism (look it up) for either or both of those words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effyoo Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Originally posted by BROWNer says who? If you were talking to me, I was referring to Smart's post with the Susan Sarandon reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 extensive in quotes...does that mean that extensive is itself an.."extensive" piece of vocabulary? 11:37pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 I think he meant it ironically... like when I was at the DMV (just visiting) and the sign said: "SORRY" This window closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbian bum Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Oh shit i was going to say somthing then i realized people on here actually beleive that what the media says is the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperbackWriter Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 pass the freedom fries. cut the mullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 We are lucky to be at the top of the pile Millions and millions of people live on less than a dollar a day. They are feeding and housing entire families for less money than 15-year-olds in America spend on CD's in a week or two. How can one not be grateful? You lucked out---raise your eyes to Whatever Gods May Be and say "Thank you." I know it's terribly unpopular to say so, but I'm not buying the argument about how the West was won. It was a war, we won it, fair and square. The Indians lost, and now they are part of the wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth. Look at all the indigenous, spiritual, Native American things they occupy their time with---like running casinos. I'm not complaining, they have a right to do so, and more power to them, but spare me the Wounded Knee arguments. They can powwow, they can go to college, they can go out to the Rez and live in Government-supplied housing, they can join the Marines and become warriors for real, whatever. God bless 'em---FREE TO CHOOSE, just like everybody else. Same goes for the Southwest. We had a war with Mexico, who claimed this land from the Spanish, who got it from the Mayas and Incas and so on, by the sword. The Indios killed one another for it, and maintained one of the most horrific, blood-thirsty cultures to ever exist upon the face of the earth, so I guess if the supporters of the Atzlan mythology want to claim the Southwest, all I can say is "Come get some." Yeah, the reason that millions of illegal aliens pour across our southern border every year is because life is so oppressive here, and whities hate Latinos so much. Bullshit. We live in the Land of Milk and Honey, and the Mexicanos want some too. LOS ANGELES is the second largest MEXICAN city in the world (that is, a city made up of MEXICAN CITIZENS), second only to Mexico City itself. I don't see any of those guys eager to go back home. If they wanted to live in Mexico, they would fucking live in Mexico. They don't. They want to live in the United States, in American culture, under American law, in an American economy. Good for them. If Mexico had less corruption, a Bill of Rights, and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, millions more Americans would be living there now than live there at present. Quite frankly, I don't care to live in a nation that doesn't trust it's people with firearms. Hell, the Republic of Mexico doesn't even trust the people with CB RADIOS for God's sake. Fuck that. Any nation that fucked up deserves what they get. If the people had any guts, they would seize control of the Government and demand a genuine, democratic, Constitutional republic, instead of the oligarchy that exists today, but unfortunately, the opposition in Mexico is poisoned with the something-for-nothing philosophy of socialism. I suspect that they will be at least another fifty or a hundred years in developing a middle class with any power. But I digress. None of us have any obligation to become educated and economically independent. If you prefer to flip burgers all your life, or run a head shop, or a voodoo candle and herbs shop, or sell used bicycles off the top of a van, you are 100% at liberty to do so. (Each one of these businesses or occupations is one in which I have an acquaintence so employed.) Keep in mind, though, that thousands and thousands of immigrants arrive here every year who have absolutely no regard for socialism whatsoever. They go to work to own their own businesses with a single-minded energy that is astonishing. The second generation goes straight to college. And the third are almost all top-performing students at top-notch universities. The future leadership of America will probably come from the ranks of these people. The present leadership may be mostly white, mostly Protestant and mostly from Ivy League universities like Harvard, Yale and so on, but the future is Latino and Asian. Take my word, they will be every bit as success-oriented as the present crop. Eventually, there will be "a black President", a woman President, an Asian President. When these positions are attained, they will not be filled with the likes of a Jesse Jackson or a Diane Feinstein. They will be filled with people like Condoleeza Rice--the best of the best, regardless of background. Racism is passe'. We live in a meritocracy, or pretty close to one. Work hard--or don't. Your choice. If you choose to kick it, I got no problem with that. But don't bitch about unfair life is. Each of us is living the fantasy life of much of the world's population. If they could get here, they'd do it. Be glad you're where you're at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esai Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 Kabar, that was one of the most narrowminded, moronic dialogues Ive heard anyone blurt out in a while. I usually skip past your rantings, but I saw the word Indian in one of your paragraphs so I decided to read that crap. I dont have the time to correct all the stupidity you blurted out, but I'll indulge myself a bit. First of all, the US wasnt won fair and square. Agreeing to treaties, signing agreements,and then murdering the other party is not fair and square. Occupying a foreign land with the intent to annihilate it's citizens, murdering innocent women, men children, and the elderly is not fair and square. My great grandfather was killed by US soldiers because he refused to allow his children to be educated about a foreign culture hundreds of miles away. His only crime was to be proud of our culture and want the right to live unharrassed. But that's just one example of 20 million or more other sad events. To defend the actions of the US is intolerable, its equivalent to defending the Nazi extermination of Jews(tripled, at the least). To deny historical facts in favor of disneyfied bullshit is absurd and somewhat telling of your character. I personally am annoyed by people who spend all their time whining, but the genocide and atrocious behavior of the US is and never will be justifiable. It was greedy europeans who where too lazy to make an honest life for themselves murdering various beautiful cultures upon contact, and then stealing their land and resources, to put it simply. This crap continues today and is responsible for why people are trampling over each other to clean the houses of the ancestors of these murderers. To sustain any pocket of extreme material wealth there must be a vast source of cheap labor, which is why many peoples are kept in a artificial state of extreme poverty, this is no conspiracy theory, its common logic and human history. Do you honestly believe that all these 3rd world continents are just naturally shitholes? You must not be educated on the great empires of africa, the americas, asia, etc. Do you think these empires just disappeared. No, they were obliterated by europe to supply western countries with cheap labor. That is why the US supports dictatorships, that is why the US gives large corporations more rights than any citizen. Europeans destroyed these civilizations by superior weaponry and sheer cruelty. This is not opinion, its historical fact. The need for firearms is an indicator of inferior physical ability, the denial of history is either ignorance or stupidity. Im sure you'd be eating your words if China successfully obliterated western civilization in the name of racial superiority and greed. Bla Bla Bla, go back to timing how quick you can reassmble your guns in the dark. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 i just want an island in the sun. with a hockey rink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Europe Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 Re: We are lucky to be at the top of the pile Originally posted by KaBar I know it's terribly unpopular to say so, but I'm not buying the argument about how the West was won. It was a war, we won it, fair and square. The Indians lost, and now they are part of the wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth. Look at all the indigenous, spiritual, Native American things they occupy their time with---like running casinos. I'm not complaining, they have a right to do so, and more power to them, but spare me the Wounded Knee arguments. They can powwow, they can go to college, they can go out to the Rez and live in Government-supplied housing, they can join the Marines and become warriors for real, whatever. God bless 'em---FREE TO CHOOSE, just like everybody else. Oh yeah, free to choose... Im guessing none of the indians chose "lets live like we did before the settlers came around and fucked up our society" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbull Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 CENSORING how come you wankers at 12ounces of batty boy cum in all your mothers corn holes censor comments you dont like???? fuk your invalid sisters with a USA army boot in your yankee muthafukkkin butts...fukin american toys viva fidel and bin laden burn hollywood burn ....cock off!!!!!! evil cunts....this site is only hardcore on the london thread ...you batty boys gwan lie dead..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Europe Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 ^^ What the hell are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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