se_FOUR Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Originally posted by cheerleader yeah iwas gonne add that too, worldoflies: why do cats hafta come there to impress you? they love the steel, they come for it, end of story. you dont like it, cool, dont sweat it. i, for one, am mostly embarassed when i see these cats getting lots of US steel done..but , at the same time, as i explained on the wholetrain thread, i also understand that it doesnt mean europeans are better or iller per se, theyre just doing a different version of graff that we are. ^^ thank you cheerleader, you always seem to write what i`m thinking by I just can`t put it into words..shit school I guess ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nang'eds! Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 ths forum smacks it i love to see the real writers, the european writers showing american's how 2 do there passnegers.pure sicknessfuck the frate badmans!why not buss some of them wildstyle's on a passenger then you will see how hard it is or try come and rock a london juboillee yard neaden even come on you yanky's let's rock this shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeque Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Originally posted by nang'eds! ths forum smacks it i love to see the real writers, the european writers showing american's how 2 do there passnegers.pure sicknessfuck the frate badmans!why not buss some of them wildstyle's on a passenger then you will see how hard it is or try come and rock a london juboillee yard neaden even come on you yanky's let's rock this shit! ...and then you get someone like NAROC coming over here and showing us how to do rooftops and tracksides... It works both ways! I think both of us would have to understand more about the evolution of graffiti both in the US and on the continent in order to be able to properly comment. The way I see it is that the "clean train" era in New York meant that people took to the streets. But, being stubborn British cunts, the Londoners chose to ignore the "clean train" threat and to find holes in the system in order to increase the chance of a runner. We concentrate on transit, they concentrate on streets. Neither is right or wrong. It's just people scribbling their "name", looking for a little fame and / or recognition... nothing more. Whether their peer group dictates that they should scribble their name on a train, or on a rooftop in order to get more recognition - THAT is what is likely to dictate what people do. Very few are trend-setters. Most just follow the crowd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray finkle Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Originally posted by freeque Whether their peer group dictates that they should scribble their name on a train, or on a rooftop in order to get more recognition - THAT is what is likely to dictate what people do. Very few are trend-setters. Most just follow the crowd! [/b] thats got to be one of the most logical responses i've ever seen on this ongoing topic. im sure its all been said before, but i have all kinds of respect when i see a 2003 nyc panel from a guy that i see a 1987 nyc panel from. the fact that someone has managed to keep putting in highrisk work in the same city for that many years straight is really commendable, even in my own town theres plenty of guys that have branched out and bombed cities all over the country and world, but they arent necassarely the bravest, their just guys that had more options in life. guys i still see up with new shit this week that were getting up in 86, did a few years of jail here and there, those are the guys that im like oh shit that guy did a new spot??he's fuckin crazy. i notice that a lot of the european train writers seem to be hitting lines in multiple countries, im sure its just to get up or whatever, but isn't there also a side to that scene that these guys dont want to risk being caught in their home towns where they've already been caught too many times but by traveling they can still bomb? i mean sure its still a risk but getting caught out of town (let alone a whole different country) you never build up too many priors so a first offence never really fucks you too hard. i guess i dont understand how things work over there, but its hard for me to discredit new yorks scene based on the fact a bunch of guys with absolutely nothing to lose are getting over. i know i've been all kinds of places and done plenty of shit the locals wouldnt do, but i cant really put myself above them because its all super circumstancial- i just get to leave whenever i want and never come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray finkle Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Originally posted by freeque Whether their peer group dictates that they should scribble their name on a train, or on a rooftop in order to get more recognition - THAT is what is likely to dictate what people do. Very few are trend-setters. Most just follow the crowd! [/b] thats got to be one of the most logical responses i've ever seen on this ongoing topic. im sure its all been said before, but i have all kinds of respect when i see a 2003 nyc panel from a guy that i see a 1987 nyc panel from. the fact that someone has managed to keep putting in highrisk work in the same city for that many years straight is really commendable, even in my own town theres plenty of guys that have branched out and bombed cities all over the country and world, but they arent necassarely the bravest, their just guys that had more options in life. guys i still see up with new shit this week that were getting up in 86, did a few years of jail here and there, those are the guys that im like oh shit that guy did a new spot??he's fuckin crazy. i notice that a lot of the european train writers seem to be hitting lines in multiple countries, im sure its just to get up or whatever, but isn't there also a side to that scene that these guys dont want to risk being caught in their home towns where they've already been caught too many times but by traveling they can still bomb? i mean sure its still a risk but getting caught out of town (let alone a whole different country) you never build up too many priors so a first offence never really fucks you too hard. i guess i dont understand how things work over there, but its hard for me to discredit new yorks scene based on the fact a bunch of guys with absolutely nothing to lose are getting over. i know i've been all kinds of places and done plenty of shit the locals wouldnt do, but i cant really put myself above them because its all super circumstancial- i just get to leave whenever i want and never come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Europe Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Ten years ago... http://www.timeless-x.de/tx-shop/specials/albums/bates1/bates14-1.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niseNSF Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 freeque nicely put man....my thoughts exactly. and ray finkle too..i kinda said the same thing in the 'wholetrains' thread....honestly, i think most level headed writers from either side of the pond have a mutual respect for each other...you just got a few cranky people who get upset and stir up the drama. i was thinking too, about another facet to all this: the international nature of european life (different languages/cultures every border crossing) creates a mindset of travelling and being open to other people/ideas more..you see it in everything: art, film, literature, even politics....whereas america, simply as a product of its sheer size and homogenous nature, is very xenophobic, and insular. so, whereas the average poor writer in in london or copenhagen may be poor, he has a very good understanding of what goes on in all the other euro cities as well as nyc. on the flipside, your average poor american writer can rarely comprehend graffiti outside of their neighborhood, let alone other US cities, and surely not europe. that usually why you get some yankees who are all ignorant like "fuck europe fuck that weirdo style"...its because theres really a different mindset for a lot of americans, and its in every facet, not just graff. its one of the drawbacks of being a very homogenous megahuge nation. but i still think theres enough writers on both sides who love and respect all the work that gets done. im still just wating for europeans to invite me onto their couches so i can paint some steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tikriminal Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Originally posted by cheerleader freeque nicely put man....my thoughts exactly. and ray finkle too..i kinda said the same thing in the 'wholetrains' thread....honestly, i think most level headed writers from either side of the pond have a mutual respect for each other...you just got a few cranky people who get upset and stir up the drama. i was thinking too, about another facet to all this: the international nature of european life (different languages/cultures every border crossing) creates a mindset of travelling and being open to other people/ideas more..you see it in everything: art, film, literature, even politics....whereas america, simply as a product of its sheer size and homogenous nature, is very xenophobic, and insular. so, whereas the average poor writer in in london or copenhagen may be poor, he has a very good understanding of what goes on in all the other euro cities as well as nyc. on the flipside, your average poor american writer can rarely comprehend graffiti outside of their neighborhood, let alone other US cities, and surely not europe. that usually why you get some yankees who are all ignorant like "fuck europe fuck that weirdo style"...its because theres really a different mindset for a lot of americans, and its in every facet, not just graff. its one of the drawbacks of being a very homogenous megahuge nation. but i still think theres enough writers on both sides who love and respect all the work that gets done. im still just wating for europeans to invite me onto their couches so i can paint some steel. damn! you might have to break a few of them big words down for the haters....! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterSobcek Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 HOT IN!!! :lol: that cat SYER smacked a ny panel and wrote "!@#$ new york city" That is beautiful, simply beautiful... Bumpski for all the letters on this thread, that ish is hot! Quick ?, those whole cars were done in NYC(not scraps)? If so... WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRonE_gee Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 bates.......did you see his ish at the schoolyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inaword... Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Originally posted by cracka do you know why they look so chill?? ITS CUZ THEY ARE SCRAP TRAINS YA FUCKING DUMASS NO THEY AREN'T http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/maksnyc.jpg'> Sice, Remo, Maks Moas running through the Bronx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inaword... Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 SDK in NYC stolen from Xplicit Grafx 6/7 Jan 2002 http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/sdkx3nyc.jpg'> SDK x 3 http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/sdkwc1.jpg'> SDK http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/sdkwc2.jpg'> SDK http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/sdkwc3.jpg'> SDK http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/sdkwcpt4.jpg'> SDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inaword... Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 NYC... http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/kelmhnyc.jpg'> Kel MH http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/shasnyc.jpg'> Shas TBC http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/phoenyc.jpg'> Phoe DSK http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/jwnla.jpg'> JWN crew from Holland on LA Subway Stolen from Ultimate Graffsportz book and above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von schnabel Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Fucking ace stuff yo! Tanx inaword n bad-religion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 damn, id heard about that dutch la hit. cool to see a flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 picus from slovakia opal from slovakia some slovakian guys on newyork steel. stolen from catchme.org they wont show up for some reason, i think its the coding. if anyone wants to save them and host em, it would be great. heres some freights as well. picus opal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hustleman Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! 7yard r.i.p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest de la cruz Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 go damn i wish we had such an easy system over in europe...it would get demolished. shame all new york writers are such pussies these days. usa is all about image...just check the latest edition of mass (cr)appeal......full off TOYS......fuck america...try and compete and get laughed at you plastic mother fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prvrt Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 the last americans I met told me LA subway was untouchable, the last one who tried got caught afther a helicopter chase and blablabla and yep afther the dutchman's photo I see euaopeans have to do the job again and again so stick with your leagal freight scene and leave the 'real' job to the men voor dien hollander, echt vet man! http://www.at149st.com/images/milk2.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_b0b Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Originally posted by cheerleader your average poor american writer can rarely comprehend graffiti outside of their neighborhood, let alone other US cities, and surely not europe. that usually why you get some yankees who are all ignorant like "fuck europe fuck that weirdo style"...its because theres really a different mindset for a lot of americans, and its in every facet, not just graff. Cheerleader Unfortunately that is just in life in genral all over the globe. I know writers that don't know what is going on in the other side of thier city! . Just seems some people are naturally interested in learning and gaining knowledge and others aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Originally posted by prvrt http://www.at149st.com/images/milk2.jpg'> such nice trains them lidos. wish i could have seen em back in the glory days. now all ya got is rusted out scraps harder to hit than the subway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intangible Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 dope shit. Too bad transit isnt what it used to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inaword... Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/picusnyc.jpg'> http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/opalnyc.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nang'eds! Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 fuck me those SDK boys are good! those wholecrars look fresh as a mother fucker!!!!!!:king: :king: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crave Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestur. Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 the poop is coming out right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeque Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 bump - someone must have flicks from the summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nang'eds! Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 ^^The summer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeque Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Originally posted by nang'eds! ^^The summer??? In that people may well have taken time off over the summer and popped over to NYC and done a few pannels. I should get a 12oz restraining order on you. Stop stalking me :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hustleman Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 MY BOY SAW A COLOR PANEL RUNNING IN SERVICE ON THE A LINE THE OTHER DAY,,HE WAS OPEN FIRST HES SEEN SINCE 80S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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