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Cracked Ass

Freight fatigue

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This could be called "getting jaded", and I don't want to point any fingers because I'm guilty of all the things I'm about to mention. But...

Lately I'm sick of looking at freight pieces, unless there's something really outstanding about them. Not so much tired of styles: I'm tired of the same old placement of freight pieces, particularly on boxcars. Always in the same spot, down low where you can reach, just to the right of the numbers, and second choice is the bar side, and maybe somebody squeezes onto the door. Same old bottom locked blobs of color in the same place. Maybe once in a while somebody goes e2e by themselves, but they go only for size and it's sloppy or uninspired.

I think freights need a new spark, a greater sense of composition, how the piece relates to the car itself. If you can sit there and burn in the usual spot like Chisme or Hybrid or 21rak, I'm not complaining, but overall heads aren't paying much attention to how their piece looks on a particular car. I keep looking at these extended height boxes, some of them nice and flat, and people are killing each other fighting for the same few square feet along the bottom, and I look up above the numbers and there's this huge blank space, ripe for exploitation.

Of course placement is a function of what everybody can reach, and a lot of spots don't give you much choice, you have to be in and out. But I think people with chill spots should be making better use of freight space. We need more wholecars, more t2bs, e2es, "Hot Wheels" type ideas, productions, diagonal pieces, whatever. If you have a chill spot, and aren't wack, get inspired this year and experiment with positioning, or just do some wholecars.

I hate to resurrect the euro cleans vs. US freights zombie, but in one way some of the Euro haters have a point: they're doing wholecars in the most dangerous, high security spots, and US freight heads with chill spots are putting out these small, unambitious mini-panels.

Like I said, I'm guilty, I have all kinds of crap running. And it's better to get a standard-sized piece in the usual spot than see a blank car. But with style arguments going nowhere, I think the next move on freights is about size, composition, and quality.

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Guest cheesecurd

so what if you don't have some chill spot?

what if your yard is almost as scary as some euro clean train yard? what if you just fucking hate doing a busted ass throw up for a whole car?

if I lived over there you sure as fuck wouldn't catch me doing some whole train that looked like a silver dipped turd.

what if you don't like cheating with montana paint?

 

if you're so jaded, do a wall.

 

if you feel like making it fun again...burn over crappy stamps and tags. this is my new mission. its' about competition. I don't hit the clean boxes anymore if I can help it. I try to rock hard enough so that I dont' leave even a peice of the backround left up. and then you can sleep better knowing that you improved and beautified something.

plus I'll feel better cause I won't have so much crap out there if people would do the same.

 

 

I'm defenitly feeling you on how peice placement is slightly uninspired, but how many floaters can take 5 do? (yeah I've seen at least one though.) and if you're bent on squeezing in your peice in, say my favorite part of the box, the far right past the black box and over the ladder...style becomes an issue cause you don't always have proper space to rock strong letters.

 

to each their own I guess...

 

you should just be glad that CAP one didn't get into killing fr8's...then everyone would be doing 2 foot high black and whites like "takt" or "maest."

play on players.

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Originally posted by cheesecurd

if I lived over there you sure as fuck wouldn't catch me doing some whole train that looked like a silver dipped turd.

 

thats fucking comedy.....

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Guest Mike bibby

pretty soon all fr8s are going to look like the rockhoppers out of santacruz, just crap over crap on every train, that will be the day i quit fr8s..

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i used to have a chill spot which led to me being inspired...but things aint what they used to be

 

i had dreams of someday doing a wholecar or at least an e2e, but i don't think that'll ever be realized

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i'm into it..

what immediately comes to mind is the ges in the top left corner of the train.

 

and how the fuck is using montana cheating? i don't get it.. maybe its because you don't have to do 2 or 3 coats with crap paint. could be because the colour selection is better though..

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...i understand cracked's complaint but i think the issue has less to do with the lack of style originality and more to do with the lack of numbers inspiration...it's just too damn hard to get your numbers up enough to make a huge difference, there's probably at least a hundred people out there doing 500 freights a year...and they're all just rockin panels...i'm all for gettin creative and i'm interested to see some new spark to the freights...but i also have to say that i love the way a piece sits on a panel...

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i went alone tonight and i tried to do what you said. I did my piece at the right end (I put tape on the #) and on the ladder. and it came out suprisingly pretty clean. I just hope it wont be gone tomorow as i go get my flicks

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you should just be glad that CAP one didn't get into killing fr8's...then everyone would be doing 2 foot high black and whites like "takt" or "maest."

play on players. [/b]

 

for the record, maest rocks...

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personally, im a panel type. I hear and understand the argument. but even when I find chill spots, where I would have the time to pull off a t2b, or an upside piece I wouldn’t. for the simple fact I like panels. second of all, I hate floaters on trains. so if I ever did anything on the upside of a freight, it would have to be a t2b, as to keep my open bottom philosophy. which brings me to my next point. I’m not trying to beat the fossil of a horse, but I think its unfair to compare European writers ability to pull off whole cars with American freight writers whole-cars. I’ve never been to Europe, but knowing a little bit about public transportation, I’m sure the majority of writers painting whole-cars over there are taking advantage of catwalks in tunnels and yards. I’ve never seen a catwalk in a freight yard. some spots may have a dock or if you get lucky you can catch a box car or whatever next to a gondola or inter-modal car. but the majority of American freight whole cars are done by diehard motherfuckers who have the stamina, to tote big ass ladders, and ample paint out to the lay-up, and in all honesty, that just isn’t me, I just don’t have it in me to spend 6 hours WORKING on one piece. And if that makes me a lazy no good son of a bitch, than so be it. I also hate painting on ladders, even when its a full on legal wall, so there is no way in hell I’m carrying one out to a train yard. To top it all off, when you got guys like Zore and king 157 running around pulling off t2b, e2es’, on holyrollers, with style, not just huge roll paint block busters, it doesn’t do much for your self-esteem.

 

To the argument of boredom with styles however, I think cats like Lewis (with the walk the plank piece) or Mber with the chick magnet, and the “e” is outta here piece, or nsf (with the hot wheels car) or even that guy gore-b with those scenic pieces are definitely providing that variety, for me at least. I like fun looking graffiti, with a gimmick. I can say I would certainly like to see more. But I’m satistfied just seeing graffiti on trains, from the cars killed with tags and hollows, to the run of the mill styles, to whole cars.

 

Waste of space. Hmmmmm. Good point, I never looked at it like that since there are still so many untouched cars, but I see the point. What I think is an even bigger waste of space is how biased a lot freight writers are when it comes to car selection. I know writers in cities with endless fields of grainers, gondolas, tanks etc, but nobody paints them…everybody wants the boxcars. So I stand there benching and a grainer, or a gray belly unit rolls by with nothing on it, maybe a tag and a shore piece at best. Meanwhile people are fighting over boxcar space. I’ve made it a point NOT to touch any boxcars this year. For me its high time to get running on all the shit that most writers turn their nose up at.

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...pope...i feel you on the boring lines of hoppers and grainers...but come on you just said you're a panel guy and now you're saying you're not gonna touch a boxcar this year...bs...hell i'll do a grey belly now and then, but if i do it's cause i'm going out with a few heads and we're gonna e2e that bitch...but if i'm out by myself you better believe i'm lookin for boxcars...so go ahead and leave em alone cause that's more for me...

 

 

 

...ps...FUCK FLOATERS!!!...

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Originally posted by The Pope

I’m not trying to beat the fossil of a horse, but I think its unfair to compare European writers ability to pull off whole cars with American freight writers whole-cars.

 

Whoa! You are refuting an argument I never made. I did not compare freight wholecars to passenger wholecars, I compared passenger wholecars to anemic, undersized freight panels, those little stamps that are failing to excite me these days. (And again, I've done a million of em myself - I'm not calling people out, just trying to get some discussion.)

If you want to compare freight wholecars with passenger wholecars, then freights are definitely more work unless the passenger is a double-decker. Freight wholecars are damned big - on average, 50 feet long by 14 feet high, and autoracks are bigger. They are a lot of fucking work and I have a lot of respect for people who have done them, especially when they use a million colors and come off stylewise. Many passenger trains, especially at a platform, you don't even need to stand on a crate to go t2b, and a wholecar in that case is maybe the equal of a crate-high freight e2e - security issues aside. In fact even if you factor in the security - a well-guarded transit yard vs. a chill freight layup - a freight wholecar is still a tough project.

Overall, I'm just trying to provoke people into thinking outside the box a little on freights. A lot of the most memorable NYC subway cars were the big projects: Hand of Doom, Dondi, Duster/Lizzie, etc. We could use some of that size and creativity on freights, IF you have a spot chill enough. I understand if you don't like heights - go for a nice e2e instead. I did one last week at a spot where any ladder work would have been suicide, and it came out nice and felt a lot better than churning out another ordinary panel.

I'm not hating at all here, just feeling a little "ehh" about some of the unambitious-looking pieces in the usual spot.

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I think e 2 e's are being slept on in the last few years.When I first came out they were rad as fuck and top to bottoms weren't insight and a whole car was your crown. It's almost the normal thing to do a whole car, alot of people do them and they suck.I did one last year it sucked but I'll make up for it and I WILL MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T RAIN.

 

 

My point more end to ends they look so cool on a cn flat or autorack....going over shit on trains is cool too.....lets get up and have fun and respect the rails!

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i really dig your ideas,,,i have mention that to some guys that are into fr8s way more than i am a while ago but they weren't catching my drift,,,,,,,i think if you can pull it off in a safe spot go nuts,,some of the most famous subway cars were done with an out side the box mentality ,,,,,doing panels is dope and i can respect wanting alot of pieces under your belt but the huge in your face work gets just as much respect if not more,a few examples,,LEE , SEEN ,DONDI, MIN and nace,,,,,i wasnt big on his style but i can front on the whole cars and end to ends,classic shit,,,,,,,oh and i think some one like cap will appear in the fr8 scene soon enough,history always repeats it self,,,,,,,,,im glad im not alone in this,,,,maybe thats why im not realy into fr8s,alot of restrictions are set on writers by them selfs ,,,,,,which i can respect no one wants to burn a spot and risk getting bagged ,but some time you have to be like fuck it,after all we are writers first .

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Cracked Ass, you sound like a fucking pro when it comes to freights... any chance i could find out what you write? If you think giving that info out is a bad idea, then don't worry about it... I'm curious though...

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Originally posted by porque

...pope...i feel you on the boring lines of hoppers and grainers...but

come on you just said you're a panel guy and now you're saying you're not

gonna touch a boxcar this year...bs...hell i'll do a grey belly now and then,

but if i do it's cause i'm going out with a few heads and we're gonna e2e that

bitch...but if i'm out by myself you better believe i'm lookin for boxcars...

so go ahead and leave em alone cause that's more for me...

 

 

 

...ps...FUCK FLOATERS!!!...

 

when i said i am making it a point not to touch boxcars this year

i meant that like im not going out of my

way to touch them. I have already got a few, and

thats only because I wasn't driving. but in any event

ill rock a pannel on a grey belly or grainer just as fast as if it was a

box car. but i am certianly feeling your point about e2es' on

hoppers. if there are two writers together id rather see

two pannels on a boxcar than 8fools squeezed in together on one boxcar (not taking into account circumstances that might force people to that). and if e2es

are in order, than hoppers are the best car for the job. grey belly or grainer.

over the years ive grown less and less fond of e2es on boxcars, even the ones ive been a part of.

the boxcar door just throws the whole thing off.

even though ive seen people rock the door, it still distorts the flow of all the pieces.

the one man e2e works well on the boxcar, or even 2 panels with a crew or connecting cloud on the door. all that shit is gravy. but the other problem that comes with boxcars now a days is a lot of them are now occupied. so it becomes a matter of either taking shit out, sparing fools which cuts into my fun. a decision i hate having to make. im never doing another door again though, unless its a thro up.

dont get me wrong i like boxcars, but i just see too many, other cars, not touched,

so im gonna do my little bit to spread the love.

 

 

Originally posted by Cracked Ass

I'm just trying to provoke people into thinking outside the

box a little on freights. A lot of the most memorable NYC subway cars

were the big projects: Hand of Doom, Dondi, Duster/Lizzie, etc. We

could use some of that size and creativity on freights, IF you have a

spot chill enough. I understand if you don't like heights - go for a

nice e2e instead. I did one last week at a spot where any ladder work

would have been suicide, and it came out nice and felt a lot better

than churning out another ordinary panel.

I'm not hating at all here, just feeling a little "ehh" about some of

the unambitious-looking pieces in the usual spot.

 

thanks for the clarity. i agree with everything you said though.

and its not so much the heights i dont like

its the WORK of climbing up and down a ladder 157 times im most afraid of.

i would like to set up a few of e2e projects this year though. more than

just names and connecting clouds too, which are fresh if you ask me,

but like you said it is getting a little monotonous. i too am often

inspired by old transit cars. and true the most memorable ones are the big ones,

but there are a lot of pannels and e2es that are simply awe inspiring,

and they consist of nothing more than a name, sick ass color scheme and

a fruit filled cloud. unlike most, i believe in limits for graffiti, particularly

on freights. i think its good to rock a fair share of pannels, just to keep

the style juice flowing. the individual well of creativity however, should be

tapped in moderation as not to have it run dry. if not, the next thing you know

some fool is gonna be on here talking about how he did 2000 creatively superior

whole cars in 4 months.

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also some one made a good point about the eventual lack free panel space,,,,,,even though the fr8 lines are way bigger than the nyc transit system, space was an issue as well in ny. To resolve that issue they started to do bigger work or just really do burners when going over some ones shit. If one day your yard is over comed with simples by other people and your left with no space you have 2 choices. Leave and find a new spot or go bigger and more complex while going over the comp,,,its all about burning the comp,,i may be wrong but its just an opinoin.

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On the "a freight Cap is coming" tip, it's harder to get ragged if you painted up high, fools have to exert themselves.

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i have no idea where this covo has gone...i just read the initinal question/statement...

 

i think the problem is most feight spots dont allow for anything more...the ladder/hump area is about the best most people can do outside of painting the usual spots....anthing else requires ladders or loading docks...ladders arent the best things to tote to spots and it seems that painting the loading dock side of a spot could easily put heat on an othewise relaxed layup....what are you left with???

 

its unfortunate but thats what a lot of us have to work with...granted its refreshing to see a floater on a boxcar but not all of us are lucky enough to have the opprotunity to do things like that....

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