grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 yo tamar... i didnt read what you wrote and could give a fuck what you say. israel is a fucked up nation. the rightwing goverment that runs it is whats fucked up and we pay lots of money to them. key facts that are not disputable. settlements are illeagle our tax dollars support israel israel violates un mandates and international law. Rabin signed a peace agreement in 1993 with Arafat that was never implemented.... man im not antisematic....im anti people fucking over other people and us tax payers footing the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 and now that i read 3 paragraphs of what you said. fuck you. Originally posted by tamar *********** you seem to be a raging anti semite with close minded racist anti isreal point of view its funny how most of the issues and propaganda you choose to bring up is mostly innacurate and you fail to deliver both sides of the story. im also sure you would not start to view the world around you with open minded unbiased eyes since you stated that you developed youre anti semitic hatred for people that you were told to hate at a vewry young age and was just another victim of middle eastern anti isreal propaganda and i am sorry to hear that you can find love in an illegal artform that society has socioeconomically constructed as somthing illegal and wrong but you wont open youre eyes and asses the middle eastern situation instead you just try so hard to spread this propaganda that you were told to belive . you brought this into a graffit forum where people discuss graffiti and in this section hot girls and shit n you are whining about a girl killed by a bulldozer being driven by people associated by the idf . hmm i wonder how long it took you to find such propaganda i wonder why this story hasnt been published in any other respected source for unbiased news just from the pictures alone this story is bullshit im not doubting that there is a dead palestinian girl and im very sorry to hear that an innocent life got caught up in the mix of this middle eastern crisis however a clearly marked palestinian girl standing next to a buldozer with a bull horn is not a clearly marked girl in the path of a buldozer headed maliciously for her where is the driver where are the other protesters why is there no consistency with the ictures of the buldozers. aside from that all youre facts and anti semitic comments and attempts at relaying information about isreal american financial affairs are all of and for some strange reason you cant seem to tell both sides of the storty youre statement of innocent pallestinain bloodshed at the hands of israellis is totally wrong , what about the thousands of innocent israellis killed at the hands of suicide bombers one palestinan girls life doesnot in any way shape or form outwiegh all the innocent bloodshed at the hands of palestian terrorists and suicide bombers which has been going on ever since israel was established also youre statement of our tax dollars going to israel, america financialy helps just about every nation in some way but the amount of tax dollars which come out of our pokets to help a maintain a nation full of terrorists and keep them from the bringing themselves into thier own third world country is a much greater american financial expenditure than any amount the us has sent to israel you want america to stop supporting israel why so they dont have the intelligance or funding to help rebuild everything the palestinians blow up if america want involved the palestinians would just blow that hole region into a hole in the desert its also funny how you cant make one statement in this thread without stating inacurate racist remarks against israel try to win us over with youre propaganda when the palestian government does not fund terrorism and when government funded extremest groups like hamas jump to take responsibility for the killing of innocent israelis. all the israelis want is a homeland where they can live in peace however the surrounding middleeastern arab countries would never let that happen. and in youre article how the fuck is there a conection beetween israel and an ancient religion just another atemp at racist anti semitic propaganda and i really dont believe that statement is accurate . but i wont even bring up all the connections between palestinian government and people and the breeding of hate filled terrorists like youre self who only live to bring bullshit up like this on graffiti forums to try to whine to get attention and then the ones that take it to the extremes like the ones involved in the sept 11 attacks and the people who belive that if there r pep[le that dont follow thier religion they dont deserve to live. when has there ever been a israli sucide bomber . and how you try to make the palestian people involved in hatred and anti semitism seem so innocent when one girl is caught up in this mess and killed cannot be compared to all the innocent isralli life lost throughout the years and all the fear they life with. also where is that article from that you posted what unbiased news source did that come from maybe the palestinian times where they make up thier own stories let me just state that i do not come from these regions and i do not make uneducated biased and racist judgements i take the unbiased approach and make the effort to make my own opinions and standpoints on these topics i dont know what else too say but please do not come on to these boards with anti semitic propaganda with an attempt to spread it some more please open your own eyes and asses the sittuation practice what you preach********** sorry for all the spelling errors and run on sentances i am in a hurry peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 what the fuck are you talking about?? i been around this world over fifty times. told to hate israel at a young age? No, you mean seeing pictures of Palestine and what was really going on from the arab perspective at a young age. and dont talk to me about graffiti. i have done jail time for graffiti. graffiti is my war that i am a nonviolent soldier in. "im also sure you would not start to view the world around you with open minded unbiased eyes since you stated that you developed youre anti semitic hatred for people that you were told to hate at a vewry young age and was just another victim of middle eastern anti isreal propaganda and i am sorry to hear that you can find love in an illegal artform that society has socioeconomically constructed as somthing illegal and wrong but you wont open youre eyes and asses the middle eastern situation" ". hmm i wonder how long it took you to find such propaganda i wonder why this story hasnt been published in any other respected source for unbiased news just from the pictures alone this story is bullshit im not doubting that there is a dead palestinian girl and im very sorry to hear that an innocent life got caught up in the mix of this middle eastern crisis however a clearly marked palestinian girl standing next to a buldozer with a bull horn is not a clearly marked girl in the path of a buldozer headed maliciously for her where is the driver where are the other protesters why is there no consistency with the ictures of the buldozers. aside from that all youre facts and anti semitic comments and attempts at relaying information about isreal american financial affairs are all of and for some strange reason you cant seem to tell both sides of the storty " and this is where im going to stop responding to you. advocate genocide and ethnic cleansing all you want. i belive in god and i belive god will serve his justice on those that commit these atrocities in his name on both side of the spectrum. Ariel Sharon fucks George Bush in the ass and they watch tranny porn together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by ******** I think you dont get my view point. i feel empathy for the people who live in poverty in their homelands and i feel the need to make a public view point on it because i feel what my tax dollars support is wrong in every sense of wrong. Dont you think events like asassinations and unimplemented peace agreements that were made lawfully are cause for outcry? I do not feel sorry for her not at all. She did the most effective thing she could with her life to contribute to what she belived in. That I find to be incredibly more honorable than most of what I read about. I respect her for being willing to put her life on the line on her own terms. My freind has his life on the line for the right wing goverments terms. I suppose I just feel the need to express my view points on the absurd amount of hypocrisy in this world today. It makes me ill. What Israel does is illegal under international law. The US has disavowed international law only making Israels violations undershadowed. The US wants Arafat out of power despite the fact he is the signer on a peace agreement that is dated 1993. did you know that the u.s. had itself exempted from any responsibility for its war crimesand exempted from any prosecution as a result?? did you know that the u.s. has admitted to testing chemical weapons and nuclear fallout on its own troops?? what do you expect?? of course two corrupt governments would be in bed together and as far as unimplemented peacee accords, anyone who has followed the conflict for the past 10plus years acn see that BOTH sides have a lot of apologies to make there are no innocents left in israel both sides have been building up, and backing out of, peace agreements for a long time..it is not just one side that forges an agreement and then buckles our tax dollars support a tremendous number of insidious military plots i do not find fault with the countries we are supporting...no big surprise that they would take the monthly handouts.. i find fault with our government, but i honestly do not see a reasonable solution i do not unconditionally support israelis, nor palestinians.. an open mind is important remember that one can understand the motives of a group. without agreeing assassinations, unimplemented peace accords, suicide bombing are all things to be concerned about a 'fight fire with fire' attitude is never justified in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 and for the umpteenth time... for anyone, especially you **********..... who is interested in learning more about our government and its involvement in world violence, i encourage you to check out this book..excellent and comprehensive some sections free, plus some good essays www.killinghope.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esai Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Israel has nukes Palestine has rocks It wasnt the smartest move to be in front of a bulldozer, but the driver didnt have a gun to his head either which makes him a murderer. May that fallen hero rest in peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 I see your point %@*#$ I feel it to be the most recent actions of Israel since the uprising in 00 that have been the worst. Suicide bombings are what people do when the live in concentration camp like conditions under occupation in poverty in refugee camps with out plumbing. if you want to see where im coming from go to time.com and look at the photo essays from Jenin. What is being done in Palestine is a crime against humanity. And we as a nation have been wholeheartedly condoning it. And to put my money where my mouth is I will go back over there and to be honest I dont care if I come back. I refuse to live in fear and have an easy life knowing the country I live in supports genocide. I would rather live in occupied lands and live a morally just life than live an easy one full of comfort and wealth. Must be somthing wrong with me. actually im way to pussy to give up my nice safe life and go help defend people with rocks. however im a christian and while i do not go to church i do belive in god and in a time of war and world wide crisis i feel it is the right thing to do to return to the holy land where palestinien christians and moslems are being victimized in violation of international law. i am not afraid of terror attacks. people in california live their wholelives in warzones as i know people in your area do to. writing graffiti exposed me to this. so i suppose as an american i am gratefull that at least i can still be a protestor in the name of nonviolence and not have to enlist in my countrys army. i had a lot of coffee and all this war shit has been on my mind. its a subtle knawing in my gut with a feeling that people are being killed in our name and it makes me feel sick. or maybe its just the coffee. im glad i dont feel the need to kill people or do things that victimize other people. it makes me feel a lot better about myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by !@#$% recently the county government near my city seized many homes.. it's called 'emminent domain' it says the u.s. government can take back any land they want any time if they need it it isn't used very often, but it is used, and people LOSE THEIR HOMES TO THE GOVERNMENT ..when was the last time ANYONE herad abou this happening here, unless it was happening to them??? Actually the people whose homes are taken often (because I can't guarantee it is always, I just dont know) are paid at "market value" for the homes. The problem is that often the states will underpay, but we are talking about underpaying like 10% of the value of the house. Also they offer without any force first to buy it from you, than sue you for it but you have the right to contest it in court. To compare this to what's happening in Israel is a fallacy at best. You know its pretty wack that everyone here is like 'if a bull dozer is coming move dumb bitch' when I can guarantee you that were it for an American cause you would be writing RIP and other such original on-line sentiments. You are the ones that have to live your life as reactionaries, I see it all the time. You react to those who react against the system or the issue at hand. Its like fuck protesters, but than the extent to which you understand the issue is often horribly skewed if not complete ignorance. This is not to say you are dumb, its just that your reactionary attitude causes you to only lean towards media that fits in with your point of view. A lot of people with more leftists points of view do this, trust me. But most are not going to talk shit about someone dyinfg , no matter how misplaced their beliefs are. *edit for clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 I posted the article about Rachel Corrie which was one of many I read from several different news sources. The follow up post included what I belive to be a valid qoute however if you can produce somthing indicating it not to be valid I suggest you do. Following that qoute i posted a opinion editorial written by Sever Plotzker who I thought was Jewish since the article seemed to illustrate a Jewish veiw of the situation. Note that this post was in support of my original post. How could I be posting anti sematic propaganda? I am merely posting what I feel most accuratley describes my veiw and only what I belive is either true or worth more examination and discussion which there seems to be very little of regarding the world situation today. And if channel zero is not a adequate forum for the discussion of that, I have always come under the impression that people affiliated with graffiti have had very strong social political view points and have not had the chance to go to school. So I go to channell zero to express my opinions. anyway.....i dont really give a fuck dude. like i said my best freind was from palestine and his family would go back and visit in the 80s. his father was a rich businessman that did a lot of business with the west and we used to break dance spray paint and skate board in a big city taking cabs and shit. I remember in 1993 when the massive candle light vigils on the river in Palestine were televised the eve shortly before the asassination and I greive for the many thousands killed senselessly at the hand of those who chose not to honor it. That is my right to have that opinion and from my experiences I belive in the nonviolent and honorable society of Islamic culture. I advocate nonviolence. SO uhhh.... i guess.....FUCK OFF. im just a bitter old hater. Originally posted by tamar [b please do not come on to these boards with anti semitic propaganda with an attempt to spread it some more please open your own eyes and asses the sittuation practice what you preach********** [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 ************* you prove that all Americans aren't narrowminded assholes who think the world revolves around us. Originally posted by KING BLING You know its pretty wack that everyone here is like 'if a bull dozer is coming move dumb bitch' when I can guarantee you that were it for an American cause you would be writing RIP and other such original on-line sentiments. i hear what you're saying, but when you make a generalization like that, you pretty much negate everything you say, in my eyes... your guarrantee wouldn't hold much water if i was the American you were referring to i never said move dumb bitch i said she dies for her beliefs and that was her informed decision. and as far as emminent domain, the governement doesn't always want to pay, and the people they are forcing out don't always have the lawyers or representation to fight it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some pittsburgh flavor Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/rach.jpg'>http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/rach1.jpg'> yes, these are definitely two different bulldozers, and that's definitely a different landscape. something just screams "Fake". it really isn't hard to move out of the way of a bulldozer. they go about 8 mph when they're flooring it on the highway. and the hydraulic scoop thingy moves slower than that. maybe it didn't make the national news because it didn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Thanks !@#$%& and tamar, please edit your post. I feel you have made unreal personal accusations against me and I am offended. I have submitted documentation to back up and express my veiw and remain solid in my stance. You however make accusations and statements that i doubt can be verified easily in any history reference source or any articles. post an article from a news source documenting that what happened to Rachel Corrie was false and purpotrated to mislead americans into anti sematic views. I have no doubt a young woman from the west coast would take such action as much as I have no doubt that the Israeli Defense Force would take the life of a protester impeding their course of retalitory action in defense of Isreal And regarding the financial issues of Israel and the United States of America I dont give a fuck. I watch people here suffer and die from lack of money. Cut the world off for all I care, but dont waste money Americans need to assist in the killing of others while inflicting suffering on your own people. Originally posted by tamar this story was conjured up as an attempt to spread anti semitic propaganda and is not a real reliable story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grittylifer Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 http://bbsnews.net/bw2003-03-21c.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimodub Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001. is that real!? in what context did he say it? i don't really want to get involved in this argument, but what Sharon is getting away with is unbelievable, with US backing too, which will be why there seems to be such a skewed view of it from americans, some european reports on it would open your eyes a bit more, censorship and misrepresentation by the US media is beyond a joke (still no excuse for some of the ignorant, apathetic comments in this thread) and there were two different bulldozers there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esai Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Fake pictures are whack because they take away the validity of the real struggle and give morons like pistol and america ammo. The US media is ridiculously blind on the israel issue, even the Israeli press is more honest and opinionated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandola Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 fuck that. what about the D.E.A. agent that killed that 14yr old girl. SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- The teenage daughter of a man charged with selling cocaine was mistakenly shot once in the back of the head by federal drug agents, authorities said. Ashley Villarreal, 14, died Tuesday after she was taken off life support, family members said. The girl was shot Sunday when Drug Enforcement Administration agents mistook her for her father, Joey Angel Villarreal, a three-time convicted drug offender. Joey Angel Villarreal turned himself in and was charged with cocaine trafficking Monday. DEA investigators arrived Tuesday to review the shooting and San Antonio police also were investigating. Authorities give this account of the shooting: Plain clothes agents saw a man they thought was Joey Angel Villarreal come out of a house and get into the passenger side of a car. A girl got into the driver's side and drove away without turning on the car's lights. The agents followed and boxed the car in. But the driver refused to stop, first hitting one DEA vehicle head-on, then shifting into reverse and ramming another. The agents fired at least four times, striking the girl once in the head. The passenger was Daniel Robles, not Ashley's father, and he disputed the officials' account. Robles said he had waxed the car earlier in the day and Ashley Villarreal, a friend and housemate, had urged him to let her move the car to the back of the house before it rained. He said she did not purposefully back up the car and that agents fired immediately after the crash and didn't identify themselves until later. "The first shot was fired and Ashley didn't say a word," he said. "She didn't scream or anything and I knew she was hit with the first shot." Law officers would not respond to Robles' version or to discuss details Tuesday, citing the pending investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Originally posted by some pittsburgh flavor http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/rach.jpg'>http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/rach1.jpg'> yes, these are definitely two different bulldozers, and that's definitely a different landscape. looks like the same bulldozer to me and the landscape differs but why would that discount the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esai Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 What a gigantic shock it was for me to find out that shot little girl's last name was villareal. HAs anyone noticed that on the TV show COPS, the only people they give a break to are white? A little off the subject, let me again exclaim my surprise that the girl was Latinaaaaaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TEARZ Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 fuck israel. no really, fuck israel. their government just gets more fucking whacko every day. israelis say they want peace then elect right wing extremist fanatics that will never agree to anything but palestinian domination, nevermind honoring any sort of pact or agreement. check out old stuff on this site here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Originally posted by eseLokE1uno Her fault for being stupid, shit if a bulldozer was right in front of me I'd run the fuck away not stand there I SO FUCKIN AGREE!! YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING YOURSELF INTO! RIGHT?!?! THATS WHY I DONT SUPPORT U.S. TROOPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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