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Re: HEAVY LOX.. ALTERNATIVES TO WAR

 

Originally posted by crunkdup

37. What should be the U.S. approach to Iraq?

 

 

much of this is very senseble on paper and some of in practice. However now that the US is engaged, to pull out would cause more harm than good i think.

 

My soluiton,, that will also not hapeen, is to stay the course in both iraq and afghanastan. Honor our promise to rebuild afghanastan, ( money and support for which has already begun to deminish below promised levels)

remove sadam and support the peoples decision on a new goverment in Iraq. proove to the arab world that this is NOT a mission to strengthen American imperialism.

The problem is is the Bush addministration wont say the 911 was a response to american forgien policy, like it or not thats what it was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

graff wars all the time and writers seem to accept it as part of the game. Writers get cut shot and jumped, should we just talk it out? hypocrasy is everywheressssss

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a good perspective heavy lox. teh problem, as you alluded to, is believability. with president bush being the former ceo of bush oil, and then giving warning to the iraqi people and military to not burn oilfields, it makes his objectives seem skewed from a non-imperialist agenda. and you are correct about americas foreign policy being the catalyst for terrorist attacks, but teh government cannot admit that because those foreign policies are still in effect as we speak and a declaration of our incompetance would call into question all of our foreign policy and in effect undermind the administrations power to build coalition support for its actions.

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"I know a profound pattern which humans deny with their words even while their actions affirm it. They say they seek security and quiet, the condition they call peace. Even as they speak, they create the seeds of turmoil and violence. If they find their quiet security, they squirm in it. How boring they find it..."

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U.N. Official: Fake Iraq Nuke Papers Were Crude

Tue Mar 25, 9:39 AM ET

 

By Louis Charbonneau

 

VIENNA (Reuters) - A few hours and a simple internet search was all it took for U.N. inspectors to realize documents backing U.S. and British claims that Iraq had revived its nuclear program were crude fakes, a U.N. official said.

 

Speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, a senior official from the U.N. nuclear agency who saw the documents offered as evidence that Iraq tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, described one as so badly forged his "jaw dropped."

 

"When (U.N. experts) started to look at them, after a few hours of going at it with a critical eye things started to pop out," the official said, adding a more thorough investigation used up "resources, time and energy we could have devoted elsewhere."

 

The United States first made the allegation that Iraq had revived its nuclear program last fall when the CIA warned that Baghdad "could make a nuclear weapon within a year" if it acquired uranium. President Bush (news - web sites) found the proof credible enough to add it to his State of the Union speech in January.

 

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) official said the charge Iraq sought the uranium was to be the "stake in the heart" of Baghdad and "would have been as close to a smoking gun as you could get" because Iraq could only want it for weapons.

 

OBVIOUS FAKES

 

Once the IAEA got the documents -- which took months -- French nuclear scientist Jacques Bautes, head of the U.N. Iraq Nuclear Verification office, quickly saw they were fakes.

 

Two documents were particularly bad. The first was a letter from the president of Niger which referred to his authority under the 1965 constitution. That constitution has been defunct for nearly four years, the official said.

 

There were other problems with the letter, including an unsuccessful forgery of the president's signature.

 

"It doesn't even look close to the signature of the president. I'm not a (handwriting) expert but when I looked at it my jaw dropped," the official said.

 

Another letter about uranium dated October 2000 purportedly came from Niger's foreign minister and was signed by a Mr. Alle Elhadj Habibou, who has not been foreign minister since 1989.

 

To make matters worse, the letterhead was out of date and referred to Niger's "Supreme Military Council" from the pre-1999 era -- which would be like calling Russia the Soviet Union.

 

After determining the documents were fakes, the IAEA had a group of international forensics experts -- including people from the U.S and Britain -- verify their findings. The panel unanimously agreed with the IAEA.

 

"We don't know who did it," the official said, adding that it would be easy to come up with a long list of groups and states which would like to malign the present Iraqi regime.

 

The IAEA asked the U.S. and Britain if they had any other evidence backing the claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium. The answer was no.

 

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei informed the U.N. Security Council in early March that the Niger proof was fake and that three months with 218 inspections at 141 sites had produced "no evidence or plausible indication" Iraq had a nuclear program.

 

But last week Vice President Dick Cheney repeated the U.S. position and said that ElBaradei was wrong about Iraq.

 

"We know (Iraqi President Saddam Hussein) has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has in fact reconstituted nuclear weapons," he said.

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This goes out to all the idiot war mongers out there, colt is not for the war at all or this nazi like administration. He did this as a joke for all the ignorant people out there. colt wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We Hate everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by crunkdup

U.N. Official: Fake Iraq Nuke Papers Were Crude

 

There were other problems with the letter, including an unsuccessful forgery of the president's signature.

 

"It doesn't even look close to the signature of the president. I'm not a (handwriting) expert but when I looked at it my jaw dropped," the official said.

 

well shit im sure theres plenty of handwriting experts looking for someone to bag here at 12oz. prophet, maybe we could show those guys this amazing document so they can ponder their lives away. also read this one its my contribution to the smarty pants coalition....

 

A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to

Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the

border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without

Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young

American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI

the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he

interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if

American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their

homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody

tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes

of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and

his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing

made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic

products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got

chewed up from foot to head."

 

 

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID...21-023627-5923r

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maybe u should keep ur head down there and when u look up half the world will be gone and ur gas will be really cheap:hatred: come on pple don't sit on ur ass go out and do something; either like colt or go join the army and kill some more pple to protect american intrests outside of our country. Security for freedom sounds good to u huh?

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the quote about the jews is stupid, it basically makes him a hipacrit, but whatever

 

"BOMBING FOR PEACE IS LIKE FUCKING FOR VIRGINITY"

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Originally posted by MaKeItHaPpEn

Yano,you are a stupid mother fucker for that,you should be shot:idea: :idea:

come shoot me bitch .........ive been going head up with these fools now for like 4 years you chump i wanna see you hang with them for 6 months you faget ass.....REAL KINGS SURVIVE...............

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