tito jackson Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Originally posted by kingofhearts capitalism will be the death of me........we control the middle east....we put that whole goverment together in iraq as a buffer zone for two waring nations. because the war was impacting the u.s. economy.....thats not opinion thats fact....in the past we hooked affganistan up with weapons to fight russia...because again it was in are best money interest.....this war is also a personal thing for bush..in a recent speach he said "i mean come on this is the guy who tried to kill my dad" that sounds pretty fucking personal to me........fuck bush ... Im not quite understanding you.....You seem to be anti capitalism yet at the same time are againt war with iraq.....Just to bring something into the open, most of the peace protests and campaigns, are being organized and controled by many of americas capitalist and socialist groups. When i read comments like "Fuck bush" and " Capitalism will be the death of me" i figure you are either really confused or ignorant..please explain further:idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest montanaman Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cup 'O Soup This is fucking disgusting. http://www.bashism.com/images/freights/bash/0192.jpg'> Im not anti-american, but.... I need to clarify, then, that I was addressing the feeling of intolerence the "No war for Jews" slogan has along side the Star Spangled fill. But, at the same time, i guess i was being a little prejudice myself. It's wierd to see you talking somewhat open-mindedly about the detrimental effects of conglomerate journalism and such.. this is how grafitti was actually born.... rebelising against the society that keeps us down the goverment and his cheese... because in order for us small guys to make a point where the media didnt care we as americans would take it to the street and make our mark so that other would see that theres concern among the people .... if it didnt work the next day take it to the streets,trainz,busses so what better way than a fr8 to make and prove his case ,,, that some idiot caught it and flicked it and was stupid enough to put in here and make a fool of himself... cause you dont like the fr8ze.... i guess he got his point across america .... and you know something opinions are like assholes everyone has one......who gives a fuck wat im saying but im just saying ...i think its pretty dope.....;) ;) ;) ;) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apt. 3F Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 FUCK THE USA,FUCK THE US USA!!! Originally posted by 2slim who gives a shit,the piece is dope...while that dude is out painting dope shit,youre in here whining about nonsense...hmmmmm COLT 45 RULES PAINTER&THA BEER!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup 'O Soup Posted March 7, 2003 Author Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by 2slim who gives a shit,the piece is dope...while that dude is out painting dope shit,youre in here whining about nonsense...hmmmmm it is meraculously possable to be on the internet and in a yard within the same day... i know it's hard to fathom, but it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto dix Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 that piece is sick and the idea that someone actually wrote "nuke afghanistan" is fucking hillarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd27b3127cce9543de2dd17d0000001610'> Trust Your Superiors.... Like the Germans in 1933 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd27b3127cce9543dc7350120000001610'> How would it feel to have tanks on your street...?? I think the last of these pictures sums up the israel/palestine argument pretty well.... tanks made by US corporations are on the streets of Palestine destroying the homes of suspected militants not people proven guilty.... they are imposing "curfews" upon entire cities that are basically like house arrest.. you can leave your house only once a week.... they are tanks owned by the Israeli Army but partially funded by the US government (that means our tax dollars) as aid to "stabilize" the "Middle East" (i.e. north east AFRICA).. basically to allow the US to exert influence in the region which other than israel is dominated by people that don't want the Earth raping 40+hr/week "free" "democratic" american system of madness imposed upon THEIR CULTURES... the US tax dollars that go as aid to israel also act as a subsidy for the American corporations that make weapons systems.. many of these corporations are actually owned by the major media networks (war makes good news too)... of course the tax dollars sent to Israel and Iraq are subsidies to the Oil Industry as well.. instead of spending $300 billion on a war for oil we could spend $300 billion on clean energy research and/or implementation of a system of decentralized solar and wind power generators... Shit, EVERY american CITY COULD HAVE A SUBWAY, A COMMUTER, AND A NATIONAL TRAIN LINE, but the auto, oil, weapons, and media companies (all owned by the same people) lobby politicians not to spend money in a way that will hurt their profits.... the rich and the powerful help the rich and powerful stay rich and powerful by sending the working class military to bomb and kill innocent impoverished iraqi civilians that have been dealing with 12 years of sanctions (1 million innocent dead) and a demolished infrastructure from the first gulf war... way to go GW.. you're the antichrist. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd27b3127cce9543de33d1630000001610'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyeraser Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 thank God! there are other people who have the same beliefs as me... i thought i'd be the only one left after the second coming. :innocent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frate_Raper Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 When I read that "no war on jews" thing or what ever nigguh man wrote, I was thinking he ment like stop the bullshit bettween the palies and jews........................................BUT I don't really care about COLT45's personal agenda with his belifes and graffiti. I will say my peice on Bush.I think he's starting so much shit to draw your attentions away from the fact he's a flamming retard.He needs a legacey because he's fucked people hate him, think he's a fuck stump and anyone with half a brain could see whats up.He's a flop so whats the easiest thing to do?START A WAR AGAINST A SO CALLED ""THREAT"" and WIN so all the fucking losers in the u.s would be all yessssssssssssss bush you rock! How many of youuuu suckas got paid with tattoos to paint today huh huh? yeah thats what I was thinking suckers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finfreights Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 he's the son of a bad man. Sarah Silverman is hot, motherfucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup 'O Soup Posted March 7, 2003 Author Share Posted March 7, 2003 number crunching.... $396.1 billion for the military in fiscal year 2003 ($379.3 billion for the Defense Department and $16.8 billion for the nuclear weapons functions of the Department of Energy). This is $45.5 billion above current levels, an increase of 13 percent $2.1 TRILLION on the military over the next five years. The budget plans, if approved by Congress, would lead the nation back into deficit spending in FY'03 - for the first time in four years from CENTER FOR DEFENSE INFORMATION crazy times ahead for the world's biggest military spender and leading supplier of weapons.. damn http://www.goodmoney.com/milspend2.GIF'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 thanks for the numbers and graph cup'o.... facts we definitely aren't seein on MSNBC, AOL/TimeWarner, Disney/ABC and displayed in a way that're easy to see and understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceaso216 Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by crunkdup way to go GW.. you're the antichrist. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd27b3127cce9543de33d1630000001610'> this is the hottest shit i've seen on 12oz in a while. my best friend just got sent overseas two days ago to fight a war that in my opinion is just a political "ratings boost" for our retarded frat boy president. let alone the personal grudge that he has for sadamm for quote " trying to kill my dad". I am not anti-war by any means. as long as there is a justifyable reason for going to war. i go to kent state, and for the past two days there has been a "hunger strike" for the anti war movement. i give these guys props for standing up for what they believe in, but do they really think that bush is going to give a shit? he is going to war NO MATTER WHAT. they are wasting their time and energy. and also, what about north korea????? they are threatening us with nuclear weapons while bush says we can resolve this with diplomacy. why cant we resolve the iraq situation with diplomacy. iraq is making more of an effort to disarm right now than north korea is. what the fuck???????? send a prayer out for our troops that have to risk their lives to fight this bullshit war:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 fuck bush. they should dig up frank zappa and put his rotting corpse in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dignan Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 lame thread.............fuck iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huf2 Posted March 8, 2003 Share Posted March 8, 2003 ok... ok on the graph how many countrys have enough money to compare to americas spending?i will say that is crazy on how much we are spending. but we have to look at it a little closer. it says "budget" who's to say we went under whos to say we went over a budget is just a plan. maby the other countrys say they are going to spend so and so but actually spend much more? this graph is from 1999, thats four years old. can this data be reliable? who is the orginization what are thier belifes do they like america? then it says potential enemies... that right there you should be laughing at. why didnt it list them for cuba? pakistan( in 1999)? where is russia and north korea? was their budget higher so inorder to make the us look bad they werent included? i really think that dosent have much to do with IRAQ but i was just trying to look at it from the middle mans view dont pester me with ahhh you fucking patriot type of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 8, 2003 Share Posted March 8, 2003 cookmygoose... i'm not gonna pester you with any "fucking patriot" type shit... i hate the system not those who have been socialized/brainwashed/programmed by it... if you are willing to discuss issues and learn more about them, i've got faith in your ability to come to the same rational conclusions i have... you said "then it says potential enemies... that right there you should be laughing at. why didnt it list them for cuba? pakistan( in 1999)? where is russia and north korea? was their budget higher so inorder to make the us look bad they werent included?" but if you had looked at the graph for more than a second you would seen that Pakistan is on there at the bottom.. and the 9 potential enemies pretty much correspond to the countries in gw bush's "axis of evil".. they ARE listed and include CUBA, RUSSIA and NORTH KOREA.. all of their military spending combined is the red bar right below the black bar representing the united states... not many other countries have the Gross Domestic Product that the us does.. so you are right in some sense to argue that this is unfair b/c the other countries may have spent more if they could afford it... but in the US spending for the military was 3.7% of the GDP, but in IRAQ it was only 2.5% of the GDP... in France 2.1%.. in Canada it was only 1.3%.. and in Japan it was less than 1.1%.... these countries could "afford" to spend more on the military, but then they'd have less to spend on schools, universal health care, public transit, etc... i can't find statistics for the % of tax dollars spent on military vs. health vs. education for other countries but in the US over 50% of the tax dollars you pay are spent on the military.. spent on killing and controlling.. that is absurd... stopping letting them pull the wool over your eyes.. we need good schools in the cities.. and good transportation too.. we need good universal healthcare.. we need a lot of shit.. but we certainly don't need $396 billion more weapons this year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukumuhfukas Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Re: i'm glad... Originally posted by house shoes thank you for stating your love for America....i'm not an all out, bomb the mother fuckers type of guy, but i do remember what happened in Kuwait whiles ago which makes me lean toward the pro-war side of things...i will agree with you that there are some wrong things going on in government doings....but my rant is simply at those complaining about the country in which they live citing only the negative aspects...if you don't agree that this country is a pretty alright place to live comparative to those countries where you couldn't live as free or have as much opportunity to enjoy life....then you have to get fucking real. i just wish folks could show a little respect for the place they are making a life for themselves in.....you know? how does what happened in kuwait make you lean toward being pro-war? i'm not saying this in a controversial way, i'm just wondering.. and also i just want to respond to the fact that you are exactly right, this is a pretty damn good place to live. the reason it is though is because everyday people like us have taken it upon themselves to inflict these social, political, and economic changes.. for instance the civil rights movement, the women's movement, environmental movement(s), etc... all of these things have greatly improved america's quality of life, and if these movements had never existed, we would be practically another third world country as far as human rights are concerned, despite our economic status. so for all those people saying "what the fuck, why protest, why speak out, it doesn't matter shit's still gonna happen.." well, all that's true to an extent too. but at the same time it's not - there is a huge anti-war movement happening right now, in america and around the world, and it IS DEFINITELY making it harder for bu$h to get what he wants. think about it like this: it is always harder for some people to speak out on their own, all alone, despite what they believe, they will just go with the flow so they don't look like outcasts or alienate themselves from others. well, this anti-war movement is growing everyday, and the more people that see there are so many people opposed, the more will be motivated to actually think beyond the bullshit our "leaders" are feeding us. the more people will resist. it's happened before here and abroad. it happened with vietnam, it happened in serbia with Otpor - the student resistance there gained widespread public support and took the entire government out of effect. it's fucking amazing what people united can do when people stop being apathetic and stop saying "all this doesn't do shit." things can change people just have to take initiative and get involved. it's not that hard but i admit, it does take more effort than not caring. and still, everyone is entitled to their opinion. also, there are people in this world that absolutely would HATE to live here for many reasons that (i think) may have been mentioned before in this thread - our outrageous "work ethic." we work far more hours, for less benefits/vacation time than many other industrialized countries. the countries that have it worse than us as far as poor work and working conditions are usually the countries we exploit for profit. and at the same time, while our human rights abuses may be almost non-existent compared to some other countries, it's no coincedence that many countries that have HORRIBLE human rights records are either openly or clandestinely supported by our government in one way or another. past examples of this are Chile, AFGHANISTAN, Iran, IRAQ, South Vietnam, Turkey, the Phillipines, Saudi Arabia, ISRAEL, Nicaragua, the list literally goes on and on. In Chile in the 70's, the United States (covertly) overthrew a democratically elected president, president Allende, because he didn't allow U.S. owned agri-business firms and corporations to use Chilean lands for profit. Allende was a socialist/populist leader who was doing great things for his people. We installed a puppet government led by the war-criminal Pinochet in place of the old government. Pinochet let us profit off Chile in exchange for police training and financial aid that went to his government, not his people. The police routinely beat, tortured, and kidnapped innocent civilians and dissenters, thus effectively keeping Pinochet in power, and securing our profit, which is ALL WE CARE ABOUT. This whole long ass post does have a point whether you all care about it or not. It is that whatever you hear on mainstream media is usually a pile of shit, whether it's about us trying to free some third world country of their brutal dictator or us "protecting our freedom," it's besides the point. All we are doing and have been doing for decades is protecting a favorable investment climate and keeping profits high and stable. profit over people every time. support indymedia. www.indymedia.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 what's up with posts being deleted in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 on WMD's 35. How did U.S. corporations help Iraq obtain weapons of mass destruction? During its alliance with the United States in the 1970s and 1980s, Iraq had active programs producing chemical and biological weapons, and researching and working towards production of a nuclear weapon. These programs were actively and knowingly supported by U.S. corporations and the U.S. government, as revealed in 1994 House Banking Committee hearings. Those hearings revealed, among other things, that the American Type Culture Collection, a company outside of Washington DC, had provided Iraq with the seed stock for biological weapons agents including anthrax, botulinum, e-coli and many more, under license by the U.S. Commerce Department. A leak in the German newspaper die Tageszeitung of some of the 8,000 pages that Washington deleted from Iraq's December 7, 2002, arms declaration provided further information. The deleted sections documented 24 U.S. corporations, 55 U.S. subsidiaries of foreign corporations, and a number of U.S. government agencies that provided parts, material, training and other assistance to Iraq's chemical, biological, missile, and nuclear weapons programs throughout the 1970s and 80s, some continuing till the end of 1990. The U.S. corporations include Honeywell, Rockwell, Hewlett Packard, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, Bechtel, and more. U.S. government Departments of Energy, Commerce, Defense and Agriculture, as well as federal laboratories at Sandia, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore, were also involved. A major front-page article in the Washington Post (December 30, 2002) further documented U.S. support for Iraq's WMD programs, especially the chemical program, including trade in weapons and other military goods. The article also detailed the active involvement of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, then a special envoy of President Reagan to Iraq, in reestablishing full diplomatic relations and improving trade and other economic ties that bolstered Washington's military support of Iraq. Other Republican insiders were involved in shady deals that helped build Iraq's WMDs. In 1989, news broke of a secret $4 billion loan made to Iraq by a U.S. branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) of Italy, which at the time employed Henry Kissinger on its Consulting Board for International Policy. Congressman Henry Gonzalez, chair of the banking committee, also noted that an executive of Kissinger Associates met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad in June 1989 at a meeting in which the Iraqi leader apparently expressed interest in expanding commercial relations with the U.S. "Many Kissinger Associates clients received U.S. export licenses for exports to Iraq. Several were also the beneficiaries of BNL loans to Iraq," Congressman Gonzalez wrote in a letter to then-President Bush (senior). Iraq also used the BNL loans to attempt to buy difficult-to-manufacture nuclear weapons components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNumnuts Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 "but i do remember what happened in Kuwait whiles ago which makes me lean toward the pro-war side of things...???" What i remember of the kuwait/gulf war pt1 was a supposed democraticly elected goverment (the ossama family of kuwait) were under threat from saddam and co. Lets look at the ossama family yes i said family! a bunch inter-related murdering scum elected by the usa to act as a puppet goverment to protect oil interests inside kuwait. Fact; when the kuwait defense secretary died they replaced him with there chauffuer! I'm glad to see we are looking out for democracy in our world. Don't you think bush looks like the kind of man who has little boys piss on him in a bath tub? Ok so i ripped that from Bill Hicks the real spokesperson for America RIP Mr Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 According to a UN document for the planning of humanitarian relief, the expected outcomes of a US campaign of bombing and invasion includes: - 500,000 civilian casualties, - 2,000,000 people homeless, - 10,000,000 people without enough to eat, - 18,000,000 without access to clean water, and - more than 1,000,000 children under the age of 5, at risk of death from malnutrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyeraser Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 if there is a god... he is definately not on our side in this one :evil2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_b0b Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 The Bush administration and British government have repeatedly blamed France's threatened veto for the failure to secure a second UN resolution authorising military action against Iraq. What Washington has failed to mention is its own veto over many years to block initiatives such as opposition to apartheid South Africa, and even the prohibition of chemical weapons. Below is a partial list of UN resolutions vetoed by the US since 1972. 1972 Israel condemned for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids. 1973 Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. 1976 Israel condemned for attacking Lebanese civilians and building settlements in the occupied territories. Call for Palestinian self-determination. 1978 Permanent members of the security council to ensure UN decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security. Living conditions of the Palestinians criticised. Israeli human rights record condemned. Developed countries to increase aid to developing countries. 1979 End to all military and nuclear collaboration with apartheid. Arms embargo against South Africa to be strengthened. Support for the oppressed under apartheid. Cessation of the nuclear arms race. Return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel. Israel to desist from human rights violations. Inquiry into the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied territories. Protection of developing countries' exports. Push to improve human rights and fundamental freedoms. Opposition to intervention in the internal or external affairs of states. Call for a UN conference on women. Rights of developing countries in multinational trade talks to be safeguarded. 1980 Israel to return displaced persons. Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories condemned. Right of self determination for the Palestinians. Support for the oppressed people of South Africa. New international economic order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries. Programme of action for UN Decade for Women. Non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states. Development of nations and individuals is a human right. Cessation of all nuclear test explosions. Independence for colonial countries. 1981 Promotion of cooperative movements in developing countries. Right of every state to choose its economic and social system, without outside interference. Cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons. Measures to prevent nuclear war and curb the arms race. Negotiations to prohibit chemical and biological weapons. Education, work, health care, etc, are human rights. South Africa condemned for attacks on neighbouring states and apartheid. Attempted coup by South Africa in the Seychelles condemned. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies and its bombing of Iraq condemned. 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon condemned. Shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier condemned. Israel must withdraw from the Golan Heights. Apartheid condemned. Setting up of a world charter for ecological protection. Support for a new world information and communications order. Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons. Development of international law. Protection against products harmful to health and the environment. Development of energy resources of developing countries. 1983 Fifteen resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics and international law. 1984 South African policies in Namibia condemned. International action to eliminate apartheid. Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon condemned. Eighteen resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, international law. 1985 Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon condemned. Excessive Israeli force in the occupied territories condemned. Three resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. Action against Nazi, fascist and neo-fascist activities. 1986 All governments to observe international law. Economic and military sanctions against South Africa. Israeli actions against Lebanese civilians condemned. Israel to respect Muslim holy places. Israeli sky-jacking of Libyan airliner condemned. Eight resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, etc. 1987 Israel to abide by the Geneva conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians. Israel to stop deporting Palestinians. Israeli actions in Lebanon condemned. Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon. Cooperation between the UN and the League of Arab States. Prevention of international terrorism. Opposition to the build up of weapons in space. Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction. Opposition to nuclear testing. Proposal to set up South Atlantic "zone of peace". 1988 Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories condemned. 1989 US invasion of Panama condemned. US support for the contras in Nicaragua condemned. Illegal US embargo of Nicaragua condemned. Acquisition of territory by force opposed. Resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. 1990 UN to send observers to the occupied territories. 1995 Land in east Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory. 1997 Israel must cease building settlements in east Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 1999 US to end trade embargo on Cuba. 2001 UN to send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. UN to set up the international criminal court. 2002 UN to renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia. So basically the US voted against all these United Nations resolutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icehole Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Re: if there is a god... Originally posted by fuckopinions he is definately not on our side in this one :evil2: He's not on anyones side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE PROPHET Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 ITS ON NOW! IM SICK OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL PROTESTING. I WAS SICK OF THEM B4. POWER IN NUMBERS? YA RIGHT. POWER IN STOCK QUOTES AND MILITARY. YOU CONTROL THE SKYS. YOU CONTROL THE WORLD. I JUST PRAY THERE ARENT MANY CASUALTIES ON BOTH SIDES. I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE VIDEO WE GET AT WORK THAT NONE OF YOU GUYS WILL EVER GET TO SEE. THE REALITIES OF THE SITIUATIONS OF WAR THAT UNCLE SAM WOULDNT WANT ITS PEOPLE TO SEE. PINCHE CENSORSHIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 DOUBLE STANDARDS http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030323/capt.1048424120.iraq_us_marines_war_xits108.jpg'> they've got gall to kill innocent civilians and then rub the survivors' faces in the fact that they are now ruled by us imperialism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkdup Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 MARTIAL LAW IN THE US Red Alert would end some personal freedoms Published by the Gannett State Bureau 3/15/03 By TOM BALDWIN GANNETT STATE BUREAU TRENTON -- If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says. "This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism. Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down. A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate. "Red means all non-critical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Non-critical would be almost all businesses, except health-related." A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security. "The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism. "You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages." Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said. "The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways. "You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm." "The reason being is, what we're saying is, 'Everybody sit down!' "If you are left standing, you are probably a terrorist. And if you are not law enforcement or emergency response; That's how we're going to catch you. "You're not going to have a seat to go to. "That is the basic premise of it." 11 Published on March 16, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxer Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 ^^^^They're just trying to prevent another 9/11 the best way they know how, whats wrong with that? Everybodys for freedom, but staying in for a couple of days is a small price to pay. How do you think people in Iraq feel about not having any rights because Saddam is a REAL dictator. ----just playing devil's advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRonE_gee Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 amerikkkkkkkkka hope or not bombs will still drop http://www.geocities.com/idleoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE PROPHET Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 DAMN! YOU GUYS SHOULD SEE THE VIDEO OF OUR SOLDIERS GETTING FUCKED UP. THE FOOTAGE NOT ALLOWED TO BE TELEVISED TO THE PUBLIC. I JUST SAW IT TODAY. FACES OF DEATH TYPE SHIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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