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How Much Is Too Much?

 

I think that we should arm in accordance with the letter of the law. One has to qualify statements like that, because every single thing the Nazis did was 100% legal under the laws in Germany at the time they did them. The legislature was NSDP controlled (National Socialist Party of Germany) and they just wrote whatever laws "Chancellor" Hitler told them to write. IN FACT, the Gun Control Law of 1968 was lifted WORD FOR WORD from Nazi gun laws, and that is absolute fact. (For you doubters, I heartily recommend you check with the organization "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership" (JPFO). They call themselves "America's aggressive civil rights organization.") www.jpfo.org or go directly to the Nazi gun law of 1938 http://jpfo.org/NaziLawEnglish.htm

 

The law says that you may not own "long arms" (rifles and shotguns) until you are 18 years old. DO NOT VIOLATE THE LAW. If you do, and you get caught, you will lose your legal right to own firearms for the rest of your life. You may not buy handguns until you are 21 years old. ^^^ See above statement. You also may not purchase or possess ammunition for handguns until you are old enough to buy one, except .22LR ammo, which also fits .22LR rifles.

 

Not everyone should own firearms. I have had people tell me "I just don't trust myself around firearms." Wow. When I heard that, I said "Then by all means, don't buy any." Sheesh. If you don't trust yourself, no wonder that you don't trust me.

 

This is more or less what it boils down to. You have a right to own firearms under the Second Amendment to the Constitution. But that does not mean that you have a right to carry them around illegally, stupidly show off for your friends, get drunk and play with them, shoot up rival drug dealers' house, etc., etc., etc. You have a right to LAWFULLY POSSESS THEM. That means "Don't break the fucking law!" Do people stupidly break the law? Well, duh! Yeah, they do. Goof around with a gun, though, and you might wind up killing somebody (or yourself), just like if you goof around on a motorcycle, or while skydiving, or while rock climbing. You'd best put your brain in gear around guns. DO NOT DRINK AND FUCK AROUND WITH FIREARMS.

 

At 18, you can vote, get married, make a legally binding contract, join the Armed Forces, get insurance, buy property, sue people, get sued, be tried as an adult, purchase long guns, and so on and so forth. You have a right to do all these things. If you do any of them stupidly, you could wreck your life. Exercise some care, young citizen.

 

At the age of 17, LIKE IT OR NOT, you are a member of THE MILITIA. You do not get to choose. The law applies to you, period, unless you meet a rather narrow bill of exemptions. If you want to read the CURRENT LAW REGARDING YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN THE MILITIA, look up United States Code, Section 311 and Section 332, I think. It basically says that if you are between the ages of 17 and 45, able-bodied and male, you are automatically in the militia unless you are the Vice-President, employed as an arsenal or shipyard worker, or a minister of the Gospel, or already a member of the regular armed forces. There is the "organized militia" (National Guard) and the "unorganized militia." (That's the rest of us.) If you have prior military service, you are in the militia until age 64. This means that come what may, if the President or the Governor of your state calls up the militia, YOU WILL GO, or you will be breaking the law. (Frankly, I can't see it happening anytime soon, but it is still LEGAL.) In Texas, any peace officer can deputize any citizen as a member of the "state military forces" (militia) anytime he or she needs to. Remember the Texas Tower Sniper? (Charles Whitman, former Marine, with a "brain tumor the size of an orange" August 1, 1966.) The four men who went up that tower after him were two brave Austin police officers, and two brave deputized civilians who were combat veterans. They didn't really want to go, but Whitman had killed fourteen people and injured dozens. Somebody had to go get him, and so they volunteered to do it. Legally, they were members of the militia, mobilized in the service of the State of Texas.

 

As regards the Pacifica Radio network, here in Houston we have KPFT 90.1 FM. They were bombed off the air twice by the Ku Klux Klan back when I was in my twenties (1971 and 1972). I went out and looked at the tin transmitter shack (or what was left of it) the first time. I think the guy that did it used way too much explosives. The second time, it looked very professional--the building (which was concrete) was hardly damaged at all. The bombers put the charge on top of a vent grille, then put sandbags on top of that. When it went off, it destroyed the transmitter, but barely scratched the building at all. It looked like a military demolition job to me, which was pretty close. A Klan member named Jimmy Dale Hutto was convicted of it, but in 1981, a Grand Wizard of the Texas Klan admitted that it was he who had engineered the bombing. Unfortunately, by that time, the statute of limitations had run out.

I enjoy KPFT's music a lot of the time, especially their blues program, reggae, and bluegrass, but the left-wing politics sucks a big one. Oh, well. They can't please everybody. I figure anybody that the KKK thinks is worth blowing up must be worth listening to, even if they are ultra-liberals.

 

A Constitutional republic requires a little input from every side. If the right wing were completely unfettered, they would soon alienate the population just like an unfettered left wing has done. Texas now has a completely REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED government, both houses of the Legislature and the Governor. Do you realize how rare this is? Texas has been a solidly Democratic state SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. But when the Democratic Party became a euphemism for the Socialist Party, the people of Texas voted with their feet. For years and years and years, the word "Republican" was synonymous with "Yankee." Not any more, though. They done come up.

 

Well, this was a long and boring ass post. Typical.

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you are automatically in the militia unless you are the Vice-President, employed as an arsenal or shipyard worker, or a minister of the Gospel, or already a member of the regular armed forces.

 

so a shipyard worker is more essential in his position than a doctor?

I guess that just goes to show how outdated that little bit of legislation really is.

When was that law writen ?

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Originally posted by fr8oholic

you didn't get the chain email?

 

we are the new hitler.

 

i heard hitler was the new anus.. which is the new vagina.

 

 

fyi boieeeeeeee

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Very Creative Re-Cycled WWII Art

 

I'm not sure why I think it's important to try and reach you guys on this issue. Probably I won't succeed in reaching many. You all have your own viewpoints, and it's virtually certain that the power of the mass media from Hollywood already has succeeded in shaping your viewpoints. (I know, I know--you feel like your viewpoint was arrived at totally independently and that nothing except your own opinions and sensibility has unduely influenced you. That's why companies spend fifty million dollars for thirty seconds of commercial air time during the Super Bowl, because TV doesn't influence anybody. ) You guys feel that you are very sophisticated and media-savvy, and I'm sure that's true to a degree, but YOUR OPINIONS ARE SHAPED BY POPULAR CULTURE AND POPULAR CULTURE IS SHAPED BY "HOLLYWOOD." Why do you think so many left-wing, so-called "progressive" people gravitate towards advertising, Hollywood film and TV, teach in universities, etc., etc.? They go where they think they can have the most influence on society. Why do you think so many people in the "social services" sector of the government are ultra-liberal, left-wing types? You guys probably do not think of Harvard and Yale and other "Ivy League" schools as universities that champion the Left, but they absolutely do. Yale, in particular, has had enormous influence over CIA and NSA over the years, as well as being the source of many Naval officers. The professors in these schools know that while they may have little personal power in world affairs, if they can succeed with one George Bush or one Bill Clinton or one Condoleeza Rice, they can have enormous influence on world affairs and the direction the country (and the world) takes.

President Bush's cabinet is filled with people who served in former (mostly Republican) administrations, as well as many, many corporate Boards of Directors. Bill Clinton's administration was exactly the same way, with only slight variations. They have many things in common, but one glaring common thing is where they went to college--there is a HEAVY dose of the up-Eastern establishment in both examples. George W. may be a good ol' boy from Midland in the public's mind, but his roots go DEEP, DEEP, DEEP into Connecticut and the same up-Eastern establishment mileau that produced the Rockefellers, the Mellons, the du Ponts and so forth.

 

These universities also make it possible for the children of FOREIGN elite classes to be educated at their schools. And when little Abdul becomes Minister of Interior in Abu Dhabi, his background is at least heavily influenced by having attended Duke University or Harvard or Yale or wherever. Ergo, his professors have some influence over how he thinks and the decisions he is likely to make.

 

I deliberately enlisted in the Marine Corps. I quit art school at University of Houston, and joined the Marines. That experience colors the way I think. I did it on purpose. The decisions YOU make, what TV shows you watch, what movies you go see, the people hang out with, the newspapers you read etc., etc., are all going to influence the way you think. Don't think for one second that listening to MTV and popular music, etc., isn't changing the WAY YOU THINK and WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE CORRECT. It does. Recognize it.

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just to piggyback on Kabar's point (about viewpoints and influence)...

 

Try to balance out your news sources.

For every item you get from CNN,

try to get a least one oterh viewpoint from the BBC

or any other international news source. Please!

American cable television is not the most reliable news source.

 

and for more piggybacking (on the influence of certain schools)...

Noam Chomsky teaches at MIT. How's that for a left-right conflict?

Please Believe!

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I watch BBC more often than any american news program...for real.

 

Don't trust american media or the governments manipulation of it.

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Funny thing Kabar, because your opinion that left wing people's views were formed by hollywood and the media. I was just going to say the exact same thing about YOUR views.

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reverse pedophilia, (im interested in kabar)... anyway>

 

late entry:

 

kabar, what exactly is a war on terrorism? please tell me, because my government won't, and i don't think one can actually exist.

 

and why exactly should we take up arms within the constraints of the constitution? and, do you feel there may be some post-apocalyptic aftermath to this war??? do you feel you'd want to survive and try to restore hope to the world like mad max by defeating the evil government??? call me young and naiive but i agree with SPF. the RIGHT way (for me anyway) to defeat (or rebirth, you choose) our own country is through a peaceful protest and SMART living. NO commercialism, NO consumerism, NO blind hatred, NO MTV (have you seen these kids at the mall lately?) No No No etc etc. NO FUCKING OIL! why won't soldiers just not join the army? do they not understand that no one is attacking US? i'm just glad i won't ever give my life in the name of this rotten country...

 

if any of my comments sound attacking, cynical or snide, just blame MTV.

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You have a right to your views

 

What you apparently can't see is that those rights were secured by the militia and volunteers in the Continental Army, during the Revolution, and are today guaranteed by young men and women wearing the uniform of the United States. The phrase "It's a free country" means "We have liberty" not "The liberty that we enjoy didn't cost anything." You are completely free to do whatever you please, within the law, and if eating organically, riding a bicycle everywhere, dumpster-diving for the essentials is what you want to do, then I say, "Right on, brother!" The problem arises when just doing your thing isn't good enough. Ultimately, collectivists want to control what other people can and cannot do---like making somebody else ride a bicycle when what he wants to do is blow down the road in a giant gas-guzzling, jacked-up monster truck. As long as I'm armed, and I'm willing to pay the price, I can live as a free man. Without firearms, this is not the case. An unarmed population is essentially serfs. They have very little choice, or at least, that's how I feel about it. Maybe I'm wrong, whatever. I'm still not giving up my firearms.

 

The UN dreams of being able to TAX THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Fuck them. They dream of restricting people to the cities, of having "no go" areas where people are forbidden to go (hey, it's on their own web site, or used to be.) Fuck that too, I'm not accepting the authority of the UN to say shit about life in the United States. This is OUR country, and they can kiss my ass. Will we see this BS in my lifetime? I doubt it. But they are thinking "long term." They may be able to convince the American people, slowly, to accept their totalitarian crap. I hope I'm dead before it happens. They have already tried designating AMERICAN National Parks as UN "Biosphere" areas. The public outrage was so great that the Park Service took down the signs. It's part of their scheme to tax us. (They need to tax us so they can "administer" our parks for us. Motherfuckers.)

Personally, I am not too enthusiastic, right now, about the war against Iraq. The problem isn't about humanitarian concerns, though, it's about the U.S. Congress. Our soldiers should not be engaged in warfare unless there is a DECLARATION OF WAR from the U.S. Congress. And if there is, then I say "Let's go get their ass." We do not need anybody's permission. We do not need anybody's support. We do not need any "coalition" of UN straphangers along for the ride. They have NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER OVER AMERICAN CITIZENS. If we wish to make war on Iraq, or Somalia, or Panama, or whomever, that's our business. Anybody doesn't like it, let them step up to the plate and say so. France comes to mind. (We SAVE THEIR ASS TWICE IN ONE CENTURY and this is what we get in return, those ungrateful sonsabitches. We should have let the Germans have their ass. Well, I take that back---we did get second-generation Jacqueline Kennedy from France, sort of. She was worth quite a bit. But other than that, how have they ever showed us any gratitude?)

 

If the American people don't like the government, let them VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE and they can put somebody in office that does what they want. Instead, we get Demopublicans and Republicrats. No matter who bottles it, it still tastes the same. Our major companies no longer have any loyalty to the United States or the American people. By and large, they consider themselves "stateless." Especially the oil companies.

And their behavior reflects that. I am not a happy camper, but I definately am glad I do not live in Baghdad. I heard some American liberal peaceniks are going to Iraq to chain themselves to potential targets. What idiots. I hope they made out a will before they left.

 

The grunts are just doing what we ask them to do. Don't blame them. March and protest the war, if you want, but don't forget who protects your right to do so. In Iraq, if you protested, you'd wind up in the torture chambers of the Secret Police. Here, you can protest all you want, but it means virtually nothing. The government rolls on, regardless. Even the Vietnam War protests, probably ten times bigger than the Iraq protests, barely impeded the government.

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"Let's go get their ass."

 

Whos ass exactly??

You don't need anybodys permission!?

Up until now, I thought your posts were reasonable and sensible, but after that paragraph, you reminded me of your President who thinks arrogance and self-righteousness is the way to go because US is "under-threat".

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Philistine

 

Man, you still don't get it. Read Clauswitz. "War is just politics by other means." There is no "reasonableness" about warfare. It's completely unjustified, unless you've got a knife to your throat, and if you're in that situation, you waited way too long. An example would be World War II. We never should have waited for Hitler to become that powerful. He should have been assassinated when he was still beating up Socialists in beer hall brawls. Did we have any justification for doing so? Not in 1933. But ten years later, with the ashes of six million murdered Jews drifting over Poland, we had 20-20 hindsight.

 

Let's fucking kill Saddam right now. He rates it.

 

No doubt you disagree, and I can understand why. But I think it's time to get real about Islamic fundamentalism. We created a Frankenstein and now they are running all over the middle east causing worlds of shit. I say that we can deal with them now, or we can deal with them later, but if you think that a guy like Saddam Hussein is ever going to play nice, think again. We could have killed Hitler easy as hell in 1933. Everybody knew he was trouble, even then. But "cooler heads prevailed." "Let's give diplomacy time to work." "Czechoslovakia is half German anyway." Yadda yadda yadda. I think you lack imagination. These people do not respect anything but force---you may disagree with me now, but ten years from now when you have been drafted and are sitting in a hole with a rifle fighting WWIII, you may remember my words. "Let's go get their ass while they are still weak enough for us to handle them easily."

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guns definitely solve problems. unfortunately they also create

problems. owning a gun doesnt solve everything. as a culture, as a

gov't in theory we strive to become better people, and create a

"better" environment. sometimes, the world, or our neighbors dont

agree with what actually is "better".

 

bottom line, if you use a gun to solve your problems, you are only

participating in a vicious cycle.

 

i am not saying that i am not apart of this cycle.

 

i also understand, kabar, that you might say one would use a gun

to make a situation "better" in order to foster an environment that

could spawn something "better".

 

unfortunately that is rarely the case. we seem to live in a world where

someone, somewhere is always "unjustly" suffering under someone else.

 

i dont know how to break that cycle...

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Re: Philistine

 

Originally posted by KaBar

Let's fucking kill Saddam right now. He rates it.

 

*saddam aint doin shit to you. what the fuck do you care about iraqis and arabs? that fucker couldnt hit us with missles if he tried.

 

No doubt you disagree, and I can understand why. But I think it's time to get real about Islamic fundamentalism. We created a Frankenstein and now they are running all over the middle east causing worlds of shit. I say that we can deal with them now, or we can deal with them later, but if you think that a guy like Saddam Hussein is ever going to play nice, think again.

 

*so we should send our troops to die at the hands of his weapons of mass destruction we gave him?

 

We could have killed Hitler easy as hell in 1933. Everybody knew he was trouble, even then. But "cooler heads prevailed." "Let's give diplomacy time to work." "Czechoslovakia is half German anyway." Yadda yadda yadda. I think you lack imagination. These people do not respect anything but force---you may disagree with me now, but ten years from now when you have been drafted and are sitting in a hole with a rifle fighting WWIII, you may remember my words. "Let's go get their ass while they are still weak enough for us to handle them easily."

 

*this would make sense except for the fact that this war is the biggest chance of starting www3 and our military is capable to handle any country anywhere at anytime. not just on the bush administration time table...really though...we havent even won the war in afhganistan against rag tag rebels.....and now we are thinking we can invade a country with weapons of mass destruction who's leaders has allready used them twice in war and sent its citizens through two brutal wars in the last 25 years? Afghanistan should be the precurser to any other gulf war. The war in Afghanistan is sill raging. what makes you think Iraq will be diffrent.

 

And what I really dont understand Kabar, is where is all this blind faith in the bush administration coming from??

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Again, Fair Question

 

The Iraqi people have become masters at phony enthusiasm. As long as the cameras are rolling, they protest loudly, but as soon as the CNN crew goes back into their hotel, they all go home. I do not believe that the Iraqi people are committed to a last-ditch defense. For one thing, Saddam cannot afford to arm the population. Unlike the U.S., where there are enough firearms in the population to arm every man, woman and child, the Iraqi people are DISARMED. If Saddam passes out rifles to the people, it won't be Cruise missles or American snipers he needs to worry about.

 

I do not trust the Bush Administration very much. George W. isn't that much different than his father, and both of them are in the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations up to their eyeballs. Virtually every single Democratic and Republican politician and the majority of their advisors and Cabinet members are TL and CFR too. You may recall, George 41 was Director of the CIA at one time. George W. picked as his running mate Dick Cheney, who is a poster boy for the New World Order. These people are HOOKED UP, and they do what is best for themselves. You may roll your eyes and say "KaBar is totally off his rocker," but the fact remains that hundreds of key Government officials, industrial leaders, military officers, Repubicrat and Demopublican political party officials are all members of the same three or four extracurricular social and political organizations. Before you scoff, do the research. Add in their friends, acquaintances and business associates who are part of the "Bilderbergers," and suddenly the fact that 5% of the world's population owns or controls 90% of the world's wealth makes a lot more sense. The rest of us, including billions of starving, illiterate, Third World peasants, own the other 10% or so.

 

But, being a realist, I understand that you cannot have everything. We must do the best with what we have. The mass majority of Americans have no desire to upset the apple cart.

 

We have enemies in the world, who may not be any worse (and certainly no better) than our own leaders. The difference is that enemies of the United States are somewhat of a threat. Some are greater threats than others. I belive (but cannot prove) that a lot of Al-Quaida fighters are being killed wherever we find them, either by the U.S. Special Forces, or by Afghan proxy troops, fighting on behalf (and probably on the payroll of) the U.S. government. It is consistant with what I know about the U.S. armed forces. The war is easier to fight, and casualties are less of a problem politically, if the war in Afghanistan is fought without broadcast news coverage.

 

I am concerned about casualties, but we enjoy an ALL-VOLUNTEER ARMY. I knew when I signed up for the Marines that I was taking a little risk. The Marines have a saying, when war breaks out: "Oh well, let's go earn our pay." And put it in perspective. We lost 58,000 in Vietnam in eleven years of war. In WWII the Marines lost 10,000 Marines in three DAYS taking the island of Okinawa. An friend of mine has a story about his father fighting at Tarawa for three days with a captured Japanese rifle, because he lost all his equipment (including his rifle) when the coxswain dropped the ramp out about 50 yards from the beach. Most of his platoon drowned in deep water, loaded down with ammunition and water.

 

President Bush is an opportunist, like all politicians. They have been waiting for years and years for an external threat like this to create the Homeland Security Department. Now we will see an incremental erosion of our Constitutional rights, even worse than they already have. I don't really trust him, but he is pretty much all we have in terms of leadership. Where's Congress in all this?

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Again with this gun thing. Kabar, are you saying that the citizens of the US do NOT really need guns, BUT we should ALL own one for a JUST IN CASE scenario??? I'm sorry, but is is hard to follow all the different angles you cover (they are much appreciated), but can you break your philosophy down in lamenms terms>??? Keep typing though, I like reading it.

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so get yourself a gun and just be ready to

ride till the wheels fall off!

 

In laymans terms, RIDE OR DIE!

 

Serisouly, just hope for the best, expect the worst.

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fatcop... Aus-Rotten - "They Ignore Peaceful Protest"

check it out

 

and i think yesterday's post-gazette had a front page headline reading:

"Bush: Protests deemed insignifigant" or something like that

 

i dont think the protests held in pgh recently did much of anything, and it may have to turn to not-so-peaceful to get the point across.

 

 

on the 'help SPF and Kanedigital buy amps before the Ramones tribute show" tip, i screen print PGHHC shirts with the upside-down star logo on them, any color shirt, any size, any color ink, forl ike $4 or something... pass the word on/hit me up if you're interested

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Re: You have a right to your views

 

Originally posted by KaBar

Even the Vietnam War protests, probably ten times bigger than the Iraq protests, barely impeded the government.

And did you see how big of a fucking waste of peoples lives the vietnam war was?

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You're preaching to the choir on that one

 

I spent years of my life protesting the Vietnam War. It was the major thing in my life from 1965 until well into the mid-70's. After all that effort, all those protests, all those leaflets and spray-paint runs, I came out of "the Movement" (the anti-war movement, of course) less convinced than when I went in. There was a quote from some military officer lookingg back on the Vietnam War that goes "We had to get out of Vietnam before it destroyed the U.S. Army." He didn't mean "destoyed" as in killed by the enemy, he meant "fractured politically to the point that it will never be repairable." There was open hostility between the rank-and-file soldiers (especially draftees) and the NCO's and officers. And even some of the "R-A's" ("regular Army--i.e., men who enlisted deliberately.)

 

Vietnam was a very bad war. It took forever, there were no clear-cut victories, and the enemy used every opportunity to spread dissension, narcotics, etc. within the American forces. Many Vietnamese girls who supported the Viet Cong became prostitutes, and used their profession to gather information. Plenty of American soldiers were killed in back alleys after a night of drinking.

 

Are there any "good" wars? Nope. Not really. But Vietnam came along at a rather unfortunate period in American history, and we had the civil rights movement, the hippie movement, the "if it feels good, do it" thing, the anti-war movement, all happening at the same time. It has been described as a "revolutionary" period, and while I don't think it qualifies for that sobriquet (well, almost) it was definately a period of social upheaval.

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