scene1 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 i dunno how people can say "no1 writes my name" cos A) you write it so some1 does and B) have you went round the entire world and looked at every single handstle dub piece throw-up? NO so chances are there will be some1 else out there with the same name as you even if they are just a toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindvapors Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 1) ur number one was stupid. 2) If your famous enough that other people know ur name, that means others shouldnt write it, theyve earned a rep with the name. So if sumone out there around the world writes a name, but noones knows about him, its ok. shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12:02p.m Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Originally posted by scene1@Dec 9 2005, 11:05 AM i dunno how people can say "no1 writes my name" cos A) you write it so some1 does and B) have you went round the entire world and looked at every single handstle dub piece throw-up? NO so chances are there will be some1 else out there with the same name as you even if they are just a toy Quoted post :haha: toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melo -btk Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Originally posted by YourSistersAssCookie@Dec 9 2005, 08:04 AM No one writes my name either. So smarten up kid your shit is sloppy Quoted post whats sloppy my throwie or my [lack of] knowledge.. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 whoever's postin that TOY relm garbage needs to change their name. go be original, RELM has been taken since back in the 80's. Theres no excuse for biting peoples names now in these internet days , back in the day, If you chose a name, as long as nobody had that name in your cit it was cool, nowadays, you better come correct, theres too much to choose from, change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shape1369 Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12:02p.m Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 ^ i hope your not serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworst Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 i just threw up on my keybaord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindvapors Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeRcHSSC Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 wow thats even gayer than mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarchicha Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 yo instead of hating on the kid for trying, why dont you big time professionals post your shit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindvapors Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 already did. dawood already did throughout boston's history. others i cant speak for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr P McCrack Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by sarchicha@Dec 13 2005, 01:20 AM yo instead of hating on the kid for trying, why dont you big time professionals post your shit.. Quoted post Well said, too many of these 'professionals' are too far up their own arse's these days. All of us had to start from scratch once folks, so stop act liking you never did... Oh yeah, hate mail to the usual please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melo -btk Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 just remember man, everyones a critic nowadays, avoid the "wow" or "gayest shit ive seen" and just keep practicin to show these fools up :king: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 The best advice I can give to anyone, is don't overcomplicate it. Look at some more established writers, throws are meant to be simple. Remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shape1369 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Yeah, I understand the concept of staying simple and I feel I have. It's not as though the letter forms I'm tryin to use are overly complicated. Infact they are all oneliners. I guess I'm missing where it is I've gone off mark. Yeah, sure I didn't have to put those backgrounds in, or put a fill in, but why not. Just because a throw is somethin simple doesnt mean it has to be black and white on a page. So I tried something I thought was interesting, guess it didn't work. I just thought I would to take a throwup, and try to use a whole page, with all the markers sitting around me. Even though I used throws as a color study, does that take away from the throw itself? I don't particularly see the point in wasting an entire page if all I intend to do is dick around with a bunch of markers as I watch tv. Im not trying to justify the way they look. If they dont float your boat, that's cool. I do however think that too often on here people instinctively assume that a person they haven't heard of doesn't have a conception of what they are doing, and thus they get dismissed. I have spent a long time trying to understand letters and take them to their simplest form. So yeah, I do understand what it is I am doing. Im not proclaiming to be amazing or great at it, but that atleast I do have an idea of how things should be done. ps. To the concept of putting in work before criticizing other peoples art, I dont think it is an issue ofposting your own stuff as to legitimize your claims, but rather understanding the artistic ideals necessary to effectively critique art. That being said, I think that if in fact you do meet that criterion then there is no real excuse for a monosyllabic dismissal of anyone's art. If you have qaulms with it, say why. edit for formatting and more thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 "I have spent a long time trying to understand letters and take them to their simplest form. So yeah, I do understand what it is I am doing." So you've been writing and studing letters for 10 years? And that's what you've come up with? I know you're not trying to come off as cocky, but you're a young kid who by the looks of it hasnt been writing more than 4 months. Im sorry dude, but it takes YEARS upon YEARS to study and interpret letters and get a grip on how they should be constructed. Basically if you look at cats like FBA/FC, TFP, TDS, TM7, those cats understand the "basic" form of letters. And they've been at it for DECADES. "Understanding the artistic ideals necessary to effectively critique art." Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. BUT this is graffiti I don't know where you're from. But chances are you're a well to do kid probably in a nice highschool or college. The fact that you're likening throwups to art kinda sickens me. Tags and throwups are for trains and the streets. They're not supposed to be Joe Blow's studio art presentation where he has to explain infront of his panel of peers why this work is good. Save art for the classroom. This is graffiti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 this is a quality throw-up: stolen from "adiccion" (mex graf mag) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindvapors Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 i agree with beefeaters words right there. really true. *edit: not his words towards the other guy, but his general thoughts on throws/graffiti over art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 im not so sure about that....its all about the freshest style right? thats what makes a toy vs a king. you cant ignore the artistic side but no throw should be psycodelic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindvapors Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 u can be the illest writer ever, on paper, but if ur not up, u are not a king in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enmity_oner_CBT Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Originally posted by mindvapors@Dec 14 2005, 12:54 PM u can be the illest writer ever, on paper, but if ur not up, u are not a king in any way. Quoted post true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeenWah? Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 heh. What the hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shape1369 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 When I said I have been lookin at letters for a long time I didn't mean just in graffiti. I have been into calligraphy and other aspects of lettering for a while. I am young, and I have only been into graffiti for about seven years. I have started trying to write in a much more recent span. I originally never planned on it, but I like it too much. In so much as I have had the time, patience, and initiative, I have been trying to understand letters in their simplest form. Again, not saying I particularly do, but that I understand the concept of that search alone. What then, would you have me do? And how can you say this is not art? Tags, throws and the simpler aspects of graffiti are where one's true artistic talent shows through. There is short difference betwen a wack throw and an amazing one. Again, its dismissive to say that this isn't art. It allows one to make blanket statements about things without qualifying them. Im not trying to say I think a person needs a degree to critique it, by any means. I was merely trying to say that if you do have an understanding of things then why not give your thoughts rather than give a one word answer as to how "thats even gayer than mine." I was actually trying to defend mindvapors and Dawood. I am tired of people saying "why dont you post your shit up." I could care less if a person has great work, but if they know what looks good then let them speak. When I was talking about the understanding of artistic ideals, I simply meant if a person understands graffiti. I was merely trying to elicit more of a response from them, as to what it was about my sketches that was so displeasing. So often does this debate over whether or not graffit is art comes up on this forum, and everytime the prevailing thought goes to whichever point is trying to be made. You, are trying to explain why understanding art isnt needed in criticism of graffiti, thus graffiti isn't art, but are not the things we discuss generally as far as composition, continuity, line structures, etc... artistic concepts? Its stupid to say that graffiti is independent of these things. In so much as my comment about understanding artistic ideals. I meant understanding within the construct of that specific art. Therefor, I am not saying one needs to understand dadaism or surrealism to know what looks good in graffiti, but just general artistic concepts that extend throughout all arts. I wasnt even attacking peoples capabilities to do so on here. I just wanted input rather than a dismissal. I can't even really try to make a retort to you beefeater simply because of my age and who you think I am. I make a claim, you refute it with people older than me. Its a catch 22 that I can't really get out of. Your right, I am in college, but your presumption about me being well to do is pretty uncalled for. What makes you think that? I have run the full gamet of living conditions in my life. The fact that my parents made sure Im educated is in no way indicative of the socioeconomic status that I am part of. Oh whatever, picture me as who you want, dismiss me how you will, it doesnt really matter I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shape1369 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 in hopes of gettin pictures back up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 without all the coloring it looks alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotdotdot Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Originally posted by shape1369@Dec 12 2005, 01:23 AM oh yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choice1er Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 entry on the offical battle thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metropolitanmayhem Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 man this thread is fucking ruined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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