OHYESTER Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Depends on may things if the flash was to be exibited in a museum....like time period...and different mediums of flash....watercolor like full body suits...and early done flash have both been exibited and continue to, as well as Japanese "irezumi" (full hand poked body tattoos) which are skinned from the owner when he passes on... he talked about Ed's work ...Ed considers those "fine art" not tattoo related ...just done by a tattooist...there are a few different kinds of museums like the tattoo art museum in amsterdam which on a regular and permanent basis continue to show tattoo related items involving the art form....I suppose it all comes down to what the person looking @ the art considers to be fine art or not ...i do agree something done with a sharpie and a pens isn't really a fine art...remember it's graffiti and it belongs out in the public to be seen weather people like it or not........to each his own.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikro137 Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 my crap http://pics.fotango.com/pictures/0400213639_001P.jpg'> something i made for myself. my walls at home are kinda bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CemeteryKid Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 What's with the Soundgarden quote Mikro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8rokr Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 kid zelda http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00228567f00000015.jpg'> kid zelda aka circuleez maximus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Dial Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Originally posted by SPED anyone ever incorperate a woman into a piece?? not taking about a charector behind it or letter format as the woman's body. but actually using the woman as the fill. im working on it now actually, doing it in oils. ill post in when im done. Crete Dtc has done that many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some pittsburgh flavor Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Re: kid zelda Originally posted by fr8rokr kid zelda aka circuleez maximus. ask around, i'm obsessed with the shapeshifters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zes Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 not sure if this has been touched upon or whatever but who gets to decide what is fine art and what isn't. who's calling the shots here. dunno about you guys but part of why i got into art is because it has no rules, you can have it whatever you want it to be. not sure if this is even related to the topic being discussed or whatever but yea. my 0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 Originally posted by Joker Also, GoatWhore... 16v is talking about tattoo flash art. There's a difference. ....i dont really know too much about tattooing and such, what exactly is this "flash art"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Al Green i see graff on the street everywhere some name over an over a slogan... so finally i get curious i respect where theyve put their name how theyve acted in order to get me to view it... and i go check out their gallery opening.. and all it is is more of the shit ive seen out on the street.. just executed better ...but out of context.. honestly.. to me its a let down. Im sure people wont agree and be it known i do find aesthetics important and i do like appealing things... i just have an ideal.. i dont necessarily think people need to fulfill it. -bob Honestly, I see where you're coming from. But work like what you're reffering to leads to inspiration for those who view it. In a way it could be seen as what could be. You know what I mean? I don't know exactly how to explain where I'm coming from. A while back, when I actually use to bomb regularly, I would just hit up anywhere I could. Any empty space available. It wasn't until I saw how Grey and Geso were bombing that I even realised aesthetics played a huge role in the viewers eye. I don't think seeing throw-ups on canvas is a let down unless that's all it is. Even then, it's the 'product' you're buying into. Take Banksy for example. He sells white canvases with just a black stenciled image on it. And people eat it up. It's no different than say KR doing a blockbuster KR on a canvas. Or Felon doing a hollow on a canvas. Am I making sense or am I all over the place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Al Green to fuel the fire of discourse...... what i dont understand is why people do the same shit they do on the "street" in a gallery show. not to belittle someones craftsmanship.. or achievement of aesthetic. but personally, an important part of what makes graffiti interesting relevant is that i has such a great dialogue with its context. graf is part writing, placement, execution, dance/performance.. among and not excluding other things ...art (Excluding legal wall people thats an issue im not touching)but i just dont see the purpose of doing the same piece on a canvas or a tag on an object... its pure aesthetic.. im not talking from some high art bs perspective but i can if youre interested in going there.... i just think its a waste of a possibility to use art to speak in more dynamic ways. maybe it makes sense in a more advertisement way.. where seeing a brand name on the street, on tv on the radio etc etc.. the phenomenology of it...building some identity.. is backing up a product or an object.... you can buy purchase understand.. benefit.. whatever.. i see graff on the street everywhere some name over an over a slogan... so finally i get curious i respect where theyve put their name how theyve acted in order to get me to view it... and i go check out their gallery opening.. and all it is is more of the shit ive seen out on the street.. just executed better ...but out of context.. honestly.. to me its a let down. Im sure people wont agree and be it known i do find aesthetics important and i do like appealing things... i just have an ideal.. i dont necessarily think people need to fulfill it. -bob good words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 ..and props to mamerro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Gozinya Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000003.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Gozinya Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000001.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000004.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000005.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000006.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000007.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000008.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000009.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000010.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000011.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000012.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Gozinya Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282180f00000013.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Green Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 joker.. to respond to you... not to argue.. but ive never seen banksy stuff in person... the content of his work is quite witty and usually socio-political so.. if he does do a canvas with a stencil with such content it may be more.."valid" especially since the means (stencilling) support the content.. moreso in his gallery shows.. and i do think a gallery show is different then a single canvas or piece of work.. for example.. you know the framed landscape painting with the helicopters flying through it...that is a brilliant example of what im talking about. In high art protocol a painting is done on a canvas and framed and viewed on a neutral white wall. the wall is important.. its purpose is to bring focus and importance to the single framed work... what banksy does.. is breaks the frame invades and "defaces the work.. activating the white wall which was once neutral into space... white gallery walls since ive ever took interest are sacred.. so in my eyes not only are the helicopters cool because they are flying in and across the painting kind of like that magritte(i think magritte) of the pipe.. and the issues that dealt with.. but more importantly.. invading the sacred neutral space... this may sound like alot of talk.. but i think its a critical difference.. then just doing a canvas.. which is to be sold.. and a gallery show.. which is to be viewed together and working within the context of a (if you care for it to be) neutral gallery space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING OF HELL Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 all this is well and good. on all points, but what it breaks down to is this. if it moves you...do it. if someone tells you its not art, let em talk. say thanks, and continue. it is in the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Green Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 joker... if youre interested in continuing this conversation id be down. beardo knows my email. -bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missinterpreted Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 not really "fine art" , but a sample of my canvases http://www.pked.net/upload/FINAFILES/calidream.jpg'> http://www.pked.net/upload/FINAFILES/prettygirl.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING OF HELL Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 wow. i havent seen you around in a bit fina. we used to talk once in a while.... ZEALOT(formerlyMUNE)..transcend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missinterpreted Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 yo yo muney! yea i kinda forgot about 12oz and then i had a little halloween accident (see channel zero for details) and i was a born agin 12ozer. hook me up with your aim or get at me on mine...RedHighHeeels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted December 24, 2002 Author Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Missinterpreted not really "fine art" , but a sample of my canvases http://www.pked.net/upload/FINAFILES/calidream.jpg'> http://www.pked.net/upload/FINAFILES/prettygirl.jpg'> nice miss..... its more an illustrative style , i like em though.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fatrednecks Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 dope stuff........really dope............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 i love quoting this guy Originally posted by KING OF HELL all this is well and good. on all points, but what it breaks down to is this. if it moves you...do it. if someone tells you its not art, let em talk. say thanks, and continue. it is in the eye of the beholder. the "KING OF HELL" has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missinterpreted Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 yes i must admit, king of hell always droppin knowledge on that ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING OF HELL Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Missinterpreted yes i must admit, king of hell always droppin knowledge on that ass. no im just clumzy. i was trying to lay some knowledge on that dome, but dropped it on that ass instead... like usual. dont mistake it for on-pointness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChupacabra Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 i wouldn't really call it fine art...but i had fun. My first two Oil paintings. http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282359f00000004.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282359f00000003.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282359f00000001.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00282359f00000002.jpg'> Silo, that painting is amazing. Do you sell or trade for any of your paintings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maud'Dib Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 just wanted to throw down some words of appreciation for the words and images on this post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loser Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 most definetly a dope thread...i think it belongs in paper chase tho, fuck it...this shit rocks:king: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikro137 Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 Originally posted by TheCemeteryG What's with the Soundgarden quote Mikro? whaddaya mean whats up with the soundgarden quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted December 25, 2002 Author Share Posted December 25, 2002 ill put up some more of my canvass soon... thanks everyone for the feedback and to all that contributed .. Merry christmas mother suckers.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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