rape

[GI Jew]

Agreed, good writings. I would never violate another. And I am one to think of sex as a mutual thing.

[Guest willy.wonka]

check this out..like i said..we were the hardest gang in our area...we were running shit in the east bay of cali and we really didnt give a fuck.i grew up in a fucked up nieghborhood..what can i say.."we didnt have a fuckin computer back then"..i moved back to hawaii and thats when my eyes were opened, so fuck off with your "your a buster for not stoppin them" bullshit.back then i didint care for myself let alone some dumb bitches getting raped.

i wasnt going by the name "crazy-8" for nothin..i didnt care for you or myself.so really..willy wonks gota past.dont bring that shit into my future..

 

all those guys were the best friends that i had ever known..so fuck off suburbia..you dont really know what its like to be me, so dont judge.

 

i was just postin a situation that i was in..dont think that if i were able to go back and change things..that i wouldnt.

 

really, i still dont care for those girls...just you poor little fags need to realize some shit.

 

nothin like a party of about 45 dudes and a couple of girls getting raped..what are you gonna do?

 

back to if i could change things.........you little faggots..what you want me to lie to make things better?girls get rapped everyday, dont make me the enemy...all my boy knew how i felt about that shit.i wasnt takin drunk girls to my house just to get laid..these girls knew and trusted me.so fuck off.

 

cause really, you have no idea.

[Guest willy.wonka]

im filled with hate when i hear of girls getting raped these days...you guys really did piss me off this time..fuck you!

for all you girls that have experiences with rape..im terribly sorry..im only sorry cause i wish i coulda been there to do something.

my life changes every day..experience and bad situations make that change...at least i dint rape them.who knows..i probably woulda ended up in jail or become a crime lords just like the rest of my boys..but no, i took a different route.

 

life changes..which way are you gonna go?fuckin bitch-ass mutha fuckas..these are th4e times i wish that i could reach on over and strangle your ass for sayin some bullshit like that.act like youre the bigger man.fuck off!

 

place yourself in my shoes..i guess i really do feel the regret.my regret fills me with hate.but the past is the past.

[Guest sneak]

this thread has made me think completely about this type of stuff.

 

first i must say to socrates....i would have done exactly the same thing as you when u beat that guy down. no lies thats what i would have done,

 

willy: thats some grimey parties u went to

 

chicken bone: nice post

 

kabar - just how many stories do you have about life?

[Guest chicken bone]

That story is crazy Kabar. About your girlfriend who was raped and murdered... Were you still dating her when she was murdered? As for the guy who got raped, well that happens and its just as bad as any rape, I just dont have any first hand experience on any man on man rape. ONe of the ex's I had who got raped knew a guy who got raped. He only told her, and yet she was too ashamed to tell him she was raped too (not by the same person, for your information). He wanted to kill himself and he probably ended up doing so.

 

Depressing times. I really need to get my girl some mace. Dunno where to find it in this country though...

[Guest imported_Europe]

A thread that makes you think.

Thank you.

I have nothing to add right now.

[Guest TEARZ]

Originally posted by banjo bob

one thing i found quite interesting in reading all of the responses is that it seems as though the act of rape itself is not what people find so horrible, rather, a man raping a woman. i think i remember someone saying something to the effect of "rapists should get raped," and the idea of men being raped even seems to be the source of some humor. not to say that this isn't somewhat understandable; a big part of the issue of a man raping a woman is in the fact that men, in general, are more powerful than women. maybe this difference in treatment is due to the fact that with a man raping a woman, it's as though the man is deciding he is going to use this strength advantage in such a way as to exploit the woman's weakness. with a man raping another man the issue of a difference in physical strength or power seems to be less exagerated.

 

kabaar mentioned a case in which a guy raped another guy at knifepoint. i'm not sure if the fact that it was at knifepoint was a crucial issue but it seems like it may have been, as it was probably a way of increasing the power difference to the point where one party was helpless and the other party had complete control.

i'm surprised more people haven't talked about issues like all the priests who have been accused and possibly convicted of molestation. it seems to conform to the situation in which one person has much more power/control over the other.

 

as far as tearz's raising the issue of thinking about rape from the male perspective, that is, someone who has the power to rape someone else, i don't think i could do that. it seems so completely foul, to think that one person could violate another like that. granted speaking in hypotheticals inevitably distances one from the subject. i know this is going to sound kind of gross, it's not a nice thing to think about, but.. try to imagine it from the perspective of the person 'you would be raping,' it does a lot to 'humanize' the issue and make it...i guess closer to home or something.

 

great post. i want to talk about the stuff above, but or now i have to run so i'll just address the latter part- the rapee is in most cases humanized- you often hear the macho man say "think if that were your sister." (not to minimize this at all) the rapist is never humanized, so nobody can ever relate to him...causing a man to push himself away from, or not see any of those potentially toxic shared attributes between himself and a rapist. that's my point, everybody is against rape right? just like everybody is against racism. but people still get raped, and at a high rate. and no one here can relate.

[banjo bob]

i'm beginning to understand what you mean, and i feel like i started to say something about it in my last post, but not in depth. i think one 'reason' (not justification though) someone might be able to stand raping another person comes from a desensitized view of sexuality as a mutual thing.

 

the reason i mentioned porn is because a lot of guys have responses to it that suggest a sort of lack of empathy or feeling for the women involved. i've heard of guys saying they like to watch porn but would never want to do any of the things they see with someone they care about. what i take from this is that watching a random girl have sex (or seeing something similar) provokes no response on an emotional level because there is no emotional connection. if there is no emotional connection then it is inevitable that there will be less (if not no) respect involved.

 

i guess what i'm saying is that men are exposed to lots of representations of women that lack any kind of empathic facet.. i think that a consequence of this is that men tend to regard women in general (at least those they don't know) as objects of sorts. when you see a porno there's no attempt made at depicting the women as people with lives, fears, interests, goals, etc.. basically all that stuff that makes you empathize with someone and regard them as human.

 

of course what i'm saying is a huge generalization, and i'm not sure how coherent it is, but it's kind of an attempt to understand how a seemingly 'normal' person might be capable of something so horrible.

 

ahhhh i can't really think right now.. all-nighters and term papers make me tired.. i'll try to expand on this later though.

[!@#$%]

i wish i had the time to read through all of this, but unfortunately i do not right now..

 

i will add to the discussion that the majority of female sex workers (even in the u.s.) have been the victims of sexual assaults at some point(s) in their lives

 

i know several women who have been rape victims, most of them went on to become strippers and/or prostitutes.

[grandmaster]

I was once sitting on a bus with all my friends,when a very close mate mate of mine got a phone call from his girlfriend,saying that she had been attacked in the street by a guy who tried to rape her.He[the peice of shit] had her down on the ground,when supposedly a man heard her screams and came to the rescue.She is a lovely girl and the thought of anything bad happening made me stunned.

 

Rape is the most awful thing you can do!

[SukiSukiNow]

Rape/date rape is more common than people, particularly men really realize. True, women ar ashamed and embarassed to report it or tell anyone about it. Too many women are made out to think it was their fault, they deserve it, or that they asked for it. My first actual sexual experience was more of a date rape than anything and I kept that a secret for years, but fuck that! If I ever see him he's in for it one way or another. I keep hearing rumors, that this asshole I went out with raped a girl and it just makes me sick to my stomache. If anyone ever hurt my sister or mom I will seriously kill!

[GI Jew]

Rape is far worse than etch. It makes you ten times more of an asshole, NEVER do it. And if you think about doing it, put yourself in the person's shoes that you would be doing it to. Think about if someone you didn't want to overpowered you and had their way... you wouldn't like it.

[Ken E. Bus]

This is a great post. It's nice to see people talking about a serious topic and not really resorting to juvenile remarks.

 

Regarding the guy above who's girlfriend is into rough sex and "rape" role play. You should talk to your girl to see if there is a problem in the background, but there may be another explanation. From how you described her my guess would be that she grew up in a conservative environment with a good dose of religion thrown in. Many times girls that are taught that sex is dirty or bad look for coping mechanisms to deal with their desires. In other words, girl gets horny and the hormones are flowing, she wants to have sex right...but she has been taught that this is bad and she should not feel this way...if the sex is rough and like a "rape" she can enjoy the act without the guilt because it isn't her that's being bad, she was forced. Does that make any sense?

[Guest railroadjerk]

this guy is the type id really like to punch in the face, read his points about whats going to happen to him...

 

Student drugged with GHB

Defendent accused of attempted rape, date-rape druggings

 

By Michelle Burhenn

Kansan staff writer

 

A University of Kansas student charged with drugging three students and attempting to rape one of them told **** County District Court Judge Peggy Kittel that he understood his charges.

 

“I´m a teacher — that´s my life,” Michael D. Carpenter, **** sophomore, told Kittel as she set his bond Friday. “I know that this looks bad on paper.”

 

Carpenter, a 21-year-old coach and paraprofessional for **** Public Schools, was charged with attempted rape, slipping gamma hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) to three female students, possession of the drug and possession of drug paraphernalia.

 

Carpenter, who lives at 800 Murrow Court, appeared in court via teleconference from **** County Jail. As Kittel read his charges, he repeated the maximum penalty three times.

 

Carpenter said he was trying to comprehend the charges and possible penalties.

 

Attempted rape carries a maximum penalty of 247 months — more than 20 years — in a state penitentiary. Kittel set his bond at $25,000. He was released after posting bond late Friday.

 

Two charges of reckless aggravated battery were dropped Friday because the affidavit did not include that two of the girls were injured in a car accident after they were drugged Thursday. Assistant District Attorney Brad Burke said he expected to refile those charges today at Carpenter´s preliminary hearing.

 

Police were dispatched to **** Memorial Hospital after one of the three women tested positive for the date-rape drug while being treated after an injury accident.

 

The women told police that they thought they had been drugged sometime between 2 and 3 a.m. Thursday, and a man at a Lawrence residence tried to rape one of the women. Police were still waiting for the other two tests results Friday, said Sgt. Mike Pattrick of the Lawrence Police Department.

 

Lawrence police arrested Carpenter Thursday as he was leaving his residence. Police found liquid forms of GHB in Carpenter´s vehicle.

 

GHB, which is typically known as the date-rape drug, comes in both a liquid and a powder form, said Cathy Thrasher, pharmacist at Watkins Memorial Health Center. The drug is commonly slipped into alcohol because the victim often becomes incapable of resisting sexual advances. Mixing GHB with alcohol also increases its effects.

 

“It works just like alcohol,” Thrasher said. “It´s hard for them to know what´s going on.”

[»GLÅM¬RÖCK«]

yes.. IOKS has a late abortion for rape victims.. up to the 150th trimester.

[Guest merry]

men...... I was raped, somewhat... and the guy who did it was 'nice' enough to get angry and want to kill some guy who accidently punched me in the face yet he 'cared' about me enough to rape me... when his friends asked him about it he didnt admit to it of course because " look... im nice enough to kick that guys ass who punched her, why would i rape her?? " aaaaaaaaaaasshole.

[Guest BROWNer]

man oh man.

crazy topic bro.

off the bat, i don't personally know of anyone who

has been raped *but* my younger sister was sexually

assaulted on 2 separate occasions.

i don't know of any people that i'm

regularly aquainted with that rape. i'm beyond all doubts

that any of my inner circle of homies have behaved less

than perfect gentlemen when it comes to the ladies.

we've all had our collective experiences in formative years

and talked about them at length together and one-on-one.

that said, we are all well aware of our 'potential' if you

want to call it that. some of my boys and i have regular

chats about our girls, ourselves, and all the hot women we

encounter daily. i have spent some time mulling over the bizarre world

of male sexuality, in general, and my own sexuality.

i also want to say that i have not personally envisioned, or fantasized ever about raping a women. i HAVE fantasized about MANY other fucked up sexual things with females, but in them, the female is ALWAYS down and a willing participant.

i have some other thoughts, but i'm not so sure they are in line with

rape..more on the weird sexual biology of men than the total power dynamic of rape.

i think it would be good if not only men were being honest on this topic and

on sex in general, but also women. if any of you have ever tried to explain male

sexuality to your girl in depth...shit can get hectic.

[Guest railroadjerk]

when i was younger i had a music teacher who was a super cool dude, and beyond some old lady music teacher type shit i became friends with him and his wife. he was still in college so i could relate to them more. he suggested to me when i was looking to get a new instrument to go to a store where his sister worked in a nearby city and while shopping there for a violin i realized how cool his sister was too. she was funny, played the violin amazingly, bright and cute with a lot of potential. id say she was probably 19 or 20 at the time.

 

months after that we heard from friends that she stopped working at the music shop and started working at a local wal mart. apparently her boss grabbed her and took her into the back and raped her. after that, she was obviously extremely traumatized and broken. she'll probably never live up to all the potential she had. on top of that, her whole family was devastated and my music teacher cancelled all lessons and i havent heard from him or his wife since.

 

when i heard about it i couldnt believe how shitty of a person this guy was, even though i wasnt directly connected to her family i really wanted to kick this guys ass for what he did.

[Guest socrates]

The only girl that I knew personally that was raped, ended up going through about a year of extreme emtional pain and eventually ended up killing hersaelf because she said she couldn't handle living wiith the memories and the pain of it. It was blamed on a drug habit but that habit was never started until after she was raped.

[Guest willy.wonka]

i used to fuck around with this girl that wished she would get raped..she was a tall beaut from boston.her fantacy is some guys pulling her into hte woods and raping her.

[Guest railroadjerk]

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[fr8oholic]

i know two girls who've been raped. one was an ex girlfriend and the other was more of a family friend. it's really had a big effect on both their psyche and emotional well being.

[Guest imported_Tesseract]

damn, this thread is kind of a shock...most of you people know girls that have been raped...is the ratio of rapes that big in the states? and asking a question that may have me look like an ass, but what exaclty do you mean by rape? dont get me wrong but i'm sometimes sceptical over how americans view things...take sexual harasment for example before the mass hysteria i doubt any girl would sue a man at work just for looking at her ass or making a ,bad, but harmless joke...to return to rape, my definiton of rape is when a girl is assaulted on the street, elevator, wherever and she's being fucked violently maybe beaten aswell...another thing is when a girl is drunk and out of control and she stupidly follows a guy somewhere does a few tricks and then without her will gets fucked just because things went to far....i only mentioned two examples and its getting complicated....dont get me wrong, i cant stand sexual crime at all and whenever i though about that i found my self willing to kill, something i wouldnt do in many cases. Still there are issues about rape that include BOTH parties..willy's story is disgusting but theres some truth in the fact that some girls come back to get raped...i dunno under a biggest spectrum rape sometimes seem as the exploitation of someones stupidness or insecurities...being humiliated in general...i dont know personally no girl that has been raped but i'm sure i know a dozen of girls that fucked someone without wanting it, just to be cool or out of extreme lack of personal voice....this is sad but not exaclty 'rape'

[SteveAustin]

I witnessed a situation (via a video tape) that was pretty fucked up. I don't know if you would qualify it as a rape or not. I saw the video tape a week after it happened.

 

Here's the situation:

 

One of my college friends had a bachelor party. They hired a couple of strippers. Everybody was having a good time and getting really fucked up, including the strippers. After the strippers were done, one of them had to leave for her next gig. The other decided to stay and party.

 

In order to make a long story short, the bachelor ended up in a back room with her and was messing around with her. At some point in time one of the guys rolled in with the video camera and started taping. The stripper was pretty fucked up, but she seemed down with what she was doing. One thing led to another and he started fucking her.

 

While he was fucking her, another guy whipped his dick out and literally dropped it on her face. So, she started giving head to him while the other guy was still fucking her. This guy was saying all kinds of fucked up shit to her. When the bachelor finished up, another guy jumped in and started fucking her. This girl never said no....stop, but she was pretty fucked up and I don't know exactly how "with it" she was. All in all, I'd say maybe 5 or 6 guys ended up fucking her. Some of these guys were literally lined up, waiting. On top of this, one guy stole all the money she had just made.

 

Its safe to say (after I watched the video tape) that I was glad I wasn't able to make it to the party. I knew most of the guys at the party and definitely looked at some of them differently after that. At the time, I don't remember ever thinking of anyone as a rapist. I remember thinking it was one of the most fucked up bachelor parties I had ever seen. Everyone blamed what happened on the stripper being a complete whore....and themselves being really fucked up.

 

I haven't thought about this since I watched the video tape. Reading all the posts made me start to kinda question what happened. This kinda strikes me as a really fine line type of thing. Granted the girl never said no or stop, but I'm not entirely sure she could have. Hell I don't even know if she realized how many different guys there were. Thoughts?

[iloveboxcars]

i was raped when i was younger. it kinda taught me to block things out.. so.. now i dont have problems with anything anymore.. and i just put it away.. im sure im going to get an ulcer.

[Guest imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by SteveAustin

Thoughts?

 

Man, i cant really say if that was a rape or not...sometimes our own views and feelings alternate things...she could be having fun, apart from being jacked as well, she could also be so fucked up that didnt actually realise. Still, our views and feelings translate to our ethics in general..your story strikes me as a scene with the worst kind of people, i'm not a conservative person but i never thought that it would be fun to share a girl, even its just a fuck...in all my life i always wanted to feel something for a girl, either in a relationship or an one night stand...i totally dont understand how people can view sex with such brutality and anger...i'm sure theres a strong pshychological thing on the background, taking dirty to a girl may be fun, but fucking and feel like punishing is sad, the least. As far as the girl goes, i never believed that you can be SO fucked up...i know dozens of girls that get totally wasted and still dont end up in that position...i'm sure she realised that she was multifucked unless she passed out...

 

My guess is that when you got no clue about your self you seek emotions and enthusiasm from anything you can...you also have a strong feeling of being part of something..under that spectrum people can and will do anything...that extends to alot of things

[sieb]

man girls piss me of when theyre drunk, i see girls all the time who get hella faded and just throw themselves at guys, like girls will straight up crawl ona guys nuts while dudes just chilling there. but when girls get hella hella hella faded theyres definitelty are a lot of guys who try and take advantage of girls, one time after a keg hella people were in my room

and a few of them left to get something to eat, and me and my homie were just chilling in my room

and this one girl was passed out on my bed

and my freind was sitting on my bed to

and i was in my armchair, and my freind looked at the girl on the bed and was like, yo can you leave us alone for a minute, i was like dude i cant even do that shes passed out your not goign to take advantage of her, i was really surprised he would even think of doing that. later he tried telling me that she had asked if he wanted head, but i definitely would have seen that cause i never left the room, and she didnt talk like at all. definitely a shocking moment, i couldnt believe my homie would try and get down like that.my other homies sister got raped and like 40 dudes beat the shit out of this guy, they may have even killed him. this happened when we were like in 5th grade, so i dont remember what happened

but i remember wanting to go with them and beeat the dude with our skateboards

[Rectum]

WHATS WITH ALL THESE CHICKS wanting to be raped??? ......i know this girl that someone attempted to rape in road daylite when she in year 7 .......her fantasy is to be dominated ....... and another who was abused as a little girl who whenver she drinks absolutely must get some cock no exceptions........do you guys know the "stockholm syndrome"???maybe girls with past experiences of rape develop something similir to that where they turn into girls who want to be sexually used and or raped?.....as im writing this i remember another girl who was raped and she is now a mega slut, offering to suck off people shes met 5 minutes ago even without being drunk

 

 

BTW tesseract about the stripper how is that even close rape ..esp. if she was giving head at the same time.....probly happens at every party she goes to

[Guest imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by Tesseract

Man, i cant really say if that was a rape or not...sometimes our own views and feelings alternate things...she could be having fun

[Rectum]

Originally posted by Nothing

man girls piss me of when theyre drunk, i see girls all the time who get hella faded and just throw themselves at guys, like girls will straight up crawl ona guys nuts while dudes just chilling there. but when girls get hella hella hella faded theyres definitelty are a lot of guys who try and take advantage of girls, one time after a keg hella people were in my room

and a few of them left to get something to eat, and me and my homie were just chilling in my room

and this one girl was passed out on my bed

and my freind was sitting on my bed to

and i was in my armchair, and my freind looked at the girl on the bed and was like, yo can you leave us alone for a minute, i was like dude i cant even do that shes passed out your not goign to take advantage of her, i was really surprised he would even think of doing that. later he tried telling me that she had asked if he wanted head, but i definitely would have seen that cause i never left the room, and she didnt talk like at all. definitely a shocking moment, i couldnt believe my homie would try and get down like that.my other homies sister got raped and like 40 dudes beat the shit out of this guy, they may have even killed him. this happened when we were like in 5th grade, so i dont remember what happened

but i remember wanting to go with them and beeat the dude with our skateboards

 

whats wrong with what your boy did???? ...he was probly just planning to lie next to her and like shake her a bit to wake her up, in which case she would have known what was up and given up the pussy.........you dont know that he was going to rape her when she asleep or nothing

 

 

some of you boys aree getting confused with fairplay and rape .... dont get me wrong i dont like rapists as much as the next guy esp. if it was a girl i was close to, but some of you need to reassess the difference between whores and rapists