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Alcohol is a depressant

 

Alcohol has various effects depending on intake. The first effect for 99% of people is a stimulant. It's once you continue drinking (in one session) that the depressant properties take over.

 

For long term alcoholics, the body pains are mainly due to closing of the capillaries, that's why after a few drinks of high gravity booze we feel better, the blood is thinned and creates the illusion of health associated with intake.

 

 

I'm just talking for me. We're all different.

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The misconception that alcohol is a stimulant is because it breaks down inhibition. You drink, you loosen up and are more likely to do things that you may not regularly.....approach a female, step to some dude you got beef with etc.

 

Drinking quickly tends to make people act wildly etc....whiteboy wasted.

 

Alcohol is a depressant. It's effects on the central nervous system are depressive, heart rate slows etc.

 

Keep in mind we are talking straight alcohol, not FourLoko or Vodka Redbull. Because caffeine is a stimulant.

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Both sides of the argument will say it's about levels of intake. It is strictly speaking a central nervous system depressant, but in small quantities for example the first drink or so, the ethanol will encourage the release of dopamine. Which is where the 'inhibition' comes in. At that stage, the effect is a stimulant.

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Started feeling a lot better, taking Chinese/Eastern meds for my liver, kidneys and stomach that have no side effects, only keep the body in balance and promote proper function. I can offer suggestions to anyone interested, but only in reference to how they have helped me, I am not a doctor or practitioner and cannot say they will help you in the same way.

 

That being said, I felt better and I fell off the wagon after one week. Currently drinking a beer, and I know it's not a good idea, and will take me back to where I was a month ago, and for some reason I'm still gonna finish this beer and have a couple more.

 

Cunning, Baffling, Powerful.

 

I'm sure I'll be in here bitching about how much shit sucks again soon. Because I'm a stupid fuck that likes hard knocks apparently. I got completely detoxed and went back again. But that's the story of the group I suppose, it just sucks to realize it.

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Someone kept offering me shots the other day (they were buzzed and we hadn't seen each other in a while) and I turned them down every time....I don't know who was more surprised, me or them. Now I'm slowly trying to cut out cigs....not as easy due to stress but probably not impossible.

 

Chinese medicine (aka TCM) is good for rebuilding liver function, but some of the herbs are fairly potent and can cause side effects. If you can get some kind of advice before taking them it's usually for the best. Not disagreeing with you, red, but I recommend caution to anyone looking into herbal remedies.

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My girlfriends sister is a scientist who used to test alternative medicines, she said that it was pretty common to find some nasty shit in Chinese herbs and whatnot, I would be careful.

 

I used to party with this girl that was big on milk thistle for after drinking, she would drink all night and do big choppers and then go on about how the milk thistle was a must for health.

 

I always recommend the Allan Carr book for quitting smoking, been over two years since I read it and quit. "How to Quit Smoking the Easyway" is the title.

 

One of the moms brought margaritas to my kids little league game tonight, was the first time in while that anyone offered me a drink.

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Gotta love those milk thistle people. What about not beating the shit out of your body five nights a week? Cutting back to one or two nights would help as well.

 

Reading books about TCM is tricky because most of the English language books on the subject are written by the companies that market the herb compounds, so they aren't exactly unbiased. If you can get some advice from a naturopath or acupuncturist you'll be much better off.

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I have the advice of a practitioner with about 30 years experience, who sends her medicines to an lab analysis before suggesting anyone use them.

She has found Seven Forests brand to read 100% pure, no fillers. That is why I had that disclaimer in my post, I cannot suggest anything to anyone, because I am a patient, not a practitioner.

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That settles that, I suppose. When I worked at a health food store it was around the same time ma huang (ephedra) was all over the news...I would tell people we didn't carry it and wouldn't order it no matter what the demand was because it was dangerous, and usually the next question would be "So if you don't have it where can I buy it?" If you saw the people who were asking you'd understand why I'm shaking my head as I type this.

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if this is a stupid question i apologize.

 

whats your take on quitting smoking and quitting drinking. meaning, is it best to conquer one before the other? (i know everyones addictions and personalities are different) in the near future id like to completely cut off smoking cigs but they are sorta a coping mechanism for me when i get stressed from not having a drink.

 

i smoke like a chimney when i drink also.

 

honestly, the thought of giving up both cold turkey right now is driving me borderline suicidal, so im thinking just try to cut down the cigs while quitting the booze. then when im successful at the latter, ill try to wean myself off completely.

 

thoughts?

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People in my family have tried to quit both cold turkey, and tend to go back to both within days because they have no stress relief/crutch.

There is no harm in trying to minimize usage, but understand the mentality of addiction goes for all things for a lot of people.

Nobody can answer that question for you, but I bet you have a good idea what is best for you by this point.

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dude, I can't stay off the bottle for longer than a week yet. But I'm tryin to fake it till I make it.

I used weed and alprazolam to help me not think about booze the first two days, then went cold turkey on everything.

And then I fell off the wagon.

My story is a long one, and is starting to get really old...

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Well, best of luck to you, Brickos. I'd suggest riding whenever the urge comes over you, just not to the nearest bar.

 

Redeye, I think you mentioned once that you work in the restaurant business...if so, it's probably gonna be harder for you to chill out on the drinking without some kind of added support. I'm not one to suggest meetings, but it might be what you need at this point. If you decide to go that route, shop around and find a group you can hang with...I can't promise that it will solve everything but it's worth a shot.

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Yeah dude, been in the kitchen for a decade now, and it's going to be my career. But I'm in a different style environment now that doesn't revolve entirely around booze and drugs. It's pretty cool.

 

I've been looking into meeting, i'm no strangers to meetings but am in a new town, a bigger city, and it's harder to find that sense of community here. I have an old friend down here though that wants to go to meetings for the first time, if I can get him to come with me it could help us both.

 

My bad sayWORD, definitely did not mean for that to come off as offensive, but I can understand how it did. It was not my intention.

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^^^ As I have said numerous times in here...going to meetings and practicing the principals ive been able to learn there...has been the only thing that has kept me from returning to the life I used to live...and as a result of that, I have been able to stay sober. The catch is that things had to get bad enough to where I was willing to give anything a shot. 'if you are willing to go to any lengths, then you are ready to take certain steps.' For me, everything got so old..and I was so tired of it..and I had exhausted all of my options and I didnt know how not to feel the way I felt. If you do decide to give meetings another shot, I would highly suggest taking some of the suggestions that people say at them. Simply sitting there and listening wasnt enough for me to feel better. Swallow your pride, get some phone numbers and call people. Even if its just to say that you think meetings are stupid and god is dumb. At least it shows you can be honest with another person...which took me a long time to be able to do..even about the most trivial of stuff. Best of luck to you man. And I promise you, based on my own experience, that things will get way better than you can believe as long as you stay sober and do the work.

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^^^ That's pretty rad. I knew you were working on something to that effect, but didn't know that you were almost there. I would love to pursue something like that, potentially down the road.

 

I've been contemplating hitting up a meeting, just for old time's sake. No real reason beyond kind of longing for someone talk about shit with. I have a few homies who are sober, but i'm not sure they totally 'get it,' if that makes sense. They don't typically have much profound insight into the subject, and their little bit of understanding usually falls short of anything i feel like going out of my way to hear. I'm fairly sure one just goes to meetings to socialize, as he is near many young adult groups, and he has alluded to such reasoning, although he probably would deny it.

I'd almost like to swing by the group i used to attend, just to let 'em know i'm still handling shit despite my disappearance. Maybe also let them know why i stopped coming, so they're aware that arrogance can scare people off. I don't know. Maybe i'll leave it alone.

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I would let sleeping dogs lie with that last bit Pit telling thumpers to tone it down is like telling people in active addiction to clean up, it might be just what they need to hear but they just wont get it.

 

Don't be one of those counselors that brags about their past to develop credentials with wayward youth ralphy, lol, I used to hate those dudes, " I used to grow buds the size of your arm kid".

 

Funny the way the mind works, sometimes I find myself concocting these elaborate justifications for relapse. The one I was working on yesterday revolved around hiking, which I have been getting into lately, I was thinking about how mosquito season is coming and that I should probably smoke a cigar to keep the bugs down and then from there I was thinking that consuming nicotine would probably be kind of a relapse and if I was going to do that I might as well bring along some scotch to go with the cigar, some herb to go with the scotch and some pills to calm me down if the herb made me nervous or to aid in case of back country medical emergency.

 

It was like I could do all that or just wear a long sleeve shirt with some deet.

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