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How to help prevent war on Iraq (seriously)

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The Attack on the Constitution

 

This crap that George W. and all his so-called conservative Cabinet is pulling, with the Patriot Act and other Homeland Security Act laws is only part of a LONG, LONG, LONG list of small erosions of liberty in the U.S. Almost always, these so-called protections or improvements to Federal law are really exactly the opposite of whatever the title of the law says. They started erroding liberty in the U.S. almost before the ink on the Constitution was dry. READ THE FEDERALIST PAPERS. These are books that are re-prints of articles published back then, trying to educate the public on the various issues before the Constitutional Convention in the 1780's, when the old Articles of Confederation were still in effect.

 

Many of you younger guys just have a "BOR-ing! Who gives a fuck?" attitude about it, but the reason your rights and liberties are so easily taken from you is that so few Americans want to read the fine print on these new laws.

Recently, this administration has enacted a host of new, restrictive and un-Constitutional laws and law enforcement practices. It began a long time ago, with things like "arresting" any large sums of money a suspect might be carrying. (What is that, if not "robbery?") The idea that the Government has a right to seize your money to be sure you've paid your taxes is, in itself, completely unjust. The income tax itself is specifically prohibited in the Constitution, but was rammed down our throats in 1913 by special interest groups of wealthy power brokers. The idea of the Federal Reserve System was part and parcel of this same conspiracy, and has been a very lucrative cash cow for the wealthy people who own the Federal Reserve Bank ever since. (Just in case you don't realize this, the Federal Reserve System is neither Federal, nor a bank, but it is a privately owned system for controlling the finances and ultimately the politics of the U.S. AS WELL AS other countries.)

Holding suspects WITHOUT TRIAL OR ARRAIGNMENT BEFORE A MAGISTRATE, not bringing the accused to a SPEEDY TRIAL BEFORE A JURY OF HIS PEERS, and denying the accused legal representation of his or her choice are all major violations of Constitutional law. Frankly, I don't understand why the Government thinks they need this sort of storm trooper, illegal measures. Any jury of decent, God-fearing Americans would convict their sorry asses in a New York second. So why do they need all the Kafkaesque drama?

 

BECAUSE THESE LAWS ARE NOT FOR TERRORISTS, THEY ARE FOR YOU AND ME. Nobody gives a shit about the terrorists. We could "disappear" the entire population of Guantanamo Bay's prison camps, and who would be the wiser? "We released them in Afghanistan. Don't have a clue as to where they went."

No, they don't need these laws for terrorists. They need them to use against DOMESTIC RESISTANCE.

 

You know what happens when you bring a Randy Weaver before a jury of his peers in Idaho? HE GETS ACQUITTED. You know what happens when you bring the Branch Davidian survivors before a jury of their peers in Texas? THEY GET ACQUITTED. Why are they in jail then? Because the Judge ILLEGALLY AND UN-CONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED THE JURY VERDICT AND CONVICTED THEM ANYWAY. If you don't believe it, look it up on the Web and read it for yourself. The Feds were really embarrassed by the Randy Weaver trial. He got convicted on the gun charge (he illegally sawed off a shotgun for an ATF informant, and pled guilty) and got 18 months. Then, the U.S. Government had to pay him and his two surviving children THREE POINT ONE MILLION DOLLARS for murdering his son, Sammy Weaver, and his wife, Vicky Weaver, during the U.S. Government's seige of Weaver's rural property.

 

Believe what you want, but Bill Clinton came very close to setting off a civil war over Ruby Ridge and the Waco Massacre. Did you know that almost 30% of the Branch Davidians were black, Hispanic or other non-Caucasian races? Waco was a test case. What Clinton did, accidentally, was sell more assault rifles and ammunition than had ever previously been sold in American history. I know people who had no guns at all before Waco, who now own six or seven assault rifles, and who owned no ammunition before, but now have thousands and thousands of rounds.

 

The anti-terrorism laws are really anti-Constitution laws. You are losing your freedom this very second, and don't realize it. And if these laws are permitted to stand, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible, just like we hold the Germans of 1933 responsible for Nazi Germany.

 

I do not believe we need any Draconian laws to stop terrorism. Regular law enforcement can do the job, if we take off the artificial restraints they are under right now. We definately do not need a National Police Force, but I fear one is coming.

 

Go read Title 10, United States Code, Section 311. And tell me WHY the U.S. Government needs a special, secret Homeland Security Agency. The security of the United States is ALREADY securely placed in the hands of the People themselves. We do not need a National Police.

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yeah, we definitly need to give these guys a fair trial, guilty or not.

 

Kabar-------- EMAIL ME. IM DOING GREAT!!!!! MAYBE ILL HIT YOUR EMAIL SOON. TAKE IT EASY.

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sadamis crazy and heartless and so are his sons, they arent the cleavers, thus remove them, peacefuly oe with a baseball bat whatever its for the better no matter who you are, tree hugger or gi joe...

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its bigger than you know.........knowing nothing is better than knowing it all

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Re: We should have gotten out of the U.N. long ago

 

Originally posted by KaBar

We should tell them to take their building and their socialist bullshit attitudes and get out of our country. The people in the U.N. think it's their own little fiefdom. They are using (mostly) our money to line their pockets, and their attitude about U.S. law if "Fuck you, we're exempt." They drive like idiots, they park their limosines and their BMW's wherever they please without any regard for New York's laws, then they claim diplomatic immunity whenever they get a ticket or arrested for drunk driving or some other shit like that. Since our government can't seem to control them, I hope New Yorkers just settle it in the street. Arrogant sonofabitches.

 

 

you know, none of this rant has ANYTHING to do with the UN as an institution, merely the stupid actions of some members. Really KaBar...you can do better than this..........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...........I want to know though - you think the US should pull out of the UN because

 

"Anything or anybody that makes the United States weaker is a bad thing. "

 

And then you have a rant implying the US is becoming progressively more Nazi

 

"And if these laws are permitted to stand, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible, just like we hold the Germans of 1933 responsible for Nazi Germany. "

 

 

Now, I would have thought these were opposing view points, unless of course you are saying that only US citizens have a right to be protected from the US government...which would be a bit Nazi, really...........................

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Originally posted by IntangibleFame

Im movin to australia...Where I can bomb kangaroos, and wallabees! yheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea! :) :p

its not all its cracked up to be, we have a snivelling little shit of a PM who is such a racist right wing bastard that he (among other things)refused to apologise to the aboriginal people who were kidnapped and sent to work for white people from the turn of the century to the 70's. hes a racist and he kisses george bushes ass.

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Originally posted by HESHIANDET

i hpe i die to. it would make life alot easier.

 

it sure fucking would! You would be dead. Dead people cant do anything. There dead.

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The UN is a Big Subject

 

And except for my personal rants and complaints about their intention to place the United States under their authority, I doubt anything I have to say will really inform anybody.

 

I URGE YOU to type "The United Nations" into your browser and find out as much as you can about their plans for the United States. Do you realize that there are "United Nations Global Bio-sphere Parks" ALREADY in the United States? That is correct. The United Nations, WHICH HAS NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER IN OUR COUNTRY, has managed to get a number of our National Parks and National Forests (read that again--NATIONAL Parks. They belong to US, not to "the people of the World") declared to be under the authority of the United Nations. Since when did the UN have the authority to do such a thing in the U.S.? I understand that shortly after they first did it, the public outcry at the parks was so violent and agitated that they took down the signs. But go to their website and LOOK AT THE MAPS. The sonofabitches think they control part of the Continental United States. And with authority, comes the "right" to TAX the people of the United States, and to pass regulations and so forth. You can bet they won't be wearing a UN uniform in our country, though. To do so is extremely risky--there are people in this country who would consider it an act of war.

 

A few years ago, the Louisiana Unorganized Militia managed to get two of their members into the Fort Polk training areas for UN troops basically disguised as photojournalists. They took hundreds of photographs of troops from Communist countries, or countries that "used" to be Communist, training in the U.S. on how to set up roadblocks, how to run "detention" camps, how to control the movement of civilians, etc. It was shocking, to see troops in Communist uniforms, carrying AK-47's and RPD machineguns and RPG-13 rocket launchers practicing arresting American citizens and running check points right in our own country. Now, there's more than one way to look at this. One could say that they are being trained here to operate here. Or, one could say, hey--better that these guys get training from us than the Russians. I'm sure that they wouldn't have to go all the way to Uzbekistan to get storm troopers, we've got plenty of UN oriented law enforcement right here at home.

 

It was pretty creepy looking at actual photographs of men in UN uniforms training foreign troops on our own soil, though.

 

Did you know that there is a German Air Force (Luftwaffe) base in New Mexico? It's called Holloman Air Force Base, in Alamogordo, New Mexico. The German government OWNS IT. They actually bought it from us.

 

I know you guys don't believe me, that's fine. I just encourage you to go to the UN's own web site, and read their plans for your country for yourself. Some of you will be just fine with it--what can I say? Fifty years of propaganda has taken a toll.

 

But some of you will read it in shocked disbelief---OMIGOD, THE RIGHT-WING MILITIA CRAZIES WERE CORRECT! When they start carving our country up into "departments" or "management zones" or some other shit like that, don't say I didn't warn you about it.

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the problem is no one tells the truth.

 

the government doesnt.

the media doesnt.

the activist doesnt

the milita guy doesnt.

 

everyone can find shit to back up what they are saying.

 

live fast die young cause its all going to hell anyways.

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You know, somebody thought they were really clever when they made this but... the intelligent man knows...

 

Amoco is now owned by BP, and BP only buys a fraction of their oil from the middle east...

 

Also, if you want to make sure none of your oil dollars head to the arabs then you can buy at Costal and a few other vendors that don't buy any middle eastern oil...

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Again, check it out for yourself

 

They say the the true test of a real conspiracy is that it cannot be proven. In fact, this line was used in a pretty good movie "Conspiracy Theory," which took genuine concerns of real conspiracy theory researchers and sort of blew them all out of proportion and made them look ludicrous and unrealistic. It always amazes me that people will believe any bizarre thing about the right, but act as though the Left is acting on purely humanitarian grounds.

 

As an example, if I told you that the extreme right wing had a plan to exterminate the children of known minority drug addicts, in order to destroy that genetic pool, as part of some Nazi conspiracy, there are probably plenty of people on the Left who would buy it. Especially people from the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. They see Nazi saboteurs under every bed.

 

But if I told you, "Oh, no, this is just a program to underwrite a woman's right to choose, and to guarantee the reproductive rights of low-income women and women of color" then the destruction of 240,000 fetuses would be perfectly okay, right?

 

The truth is, I do not share the opinion of many of my conservative colleagues, especially the born-again Christian ones. I do not believe that the world needs more abused, neglected children living in poverty. What I don't understand is why the people who created the unwanted pregnancy (can't really call them "parents") don't simply get sterilized. If they don't want kids, what the hell. Do it right. I do not share the obsession about abortion clinics and abortionists. I think that if a woman doesn't want to have her child, then she'd probably be best not having it. Kind of tough on the kid, of course, but that's life. And, in the long run, they'd be doing society a big favor by not bringing any more crack babies into the world, to be cared for by the rest of us.

 

The right wing often sees every effort to expand Federal power as some tenacle of One World Government. Unfortunately, I often see things in this light myself. I do NOT see "world citizenship" as anything positive. In this, I do share certain viewpoints (but definately not all) with the John Birch Society.

 

This is the ultimate irony, since I vilified the John Birchers as the ultimate in reactionary goofballs wearing tin-foil hats back in the '60s. One thing I have come to admire is their RELENTLESS documentation of their sources. If they report that the Bilderburgers met in Vienna, and are carving up Bosnia (or whatever,) they scrupulously document it, with photographs and news reports and so on to back up their statement. The Left deals with this by saying "So what?" But they can't deny that he reports are accurate.

When I first wrote this, I linked some sites to demonstrate what I mean, but for some reason the links don't work right, and I spent a couple of hours trying to figure it out, and can't. So, instead of listing links, all I can do is recommend you use your browser and look up these subjects ^^^ above and see what's there. Sorry.

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a bit of advice for that website:

 

henry kissinger is the last person you want a testimonial from, especially in the dealings of not going to war....the guy is a borderline war criminal.....so personally i dont give a fuck what kissinger has to say...

 

this is just one random site i found.....

 

http://www.eclipse.net/~tgardnet/kiss/kisskill.html

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"Let me win,if i cannot win then let me look good in the process"

 

personally i think the war on Iraq isnt well thought out..Bush is aiming on Iraq because he has no one else to fight...he doesnt want the war on terrorism to end because americans will think he would be all talk...so for now he is aiming on Iraq to see what happens and hopefully he would find a reason to fight a fight worth fighting...its like drilling for oil eventually he could hit something.....

 

 

 

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my 2 cents-

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Kabar, you had some good points but now youre starting to scare me a little. I was just wondering these militia guys' view on what america has done to indians, and what would be their plans if the US was toppled. Fuck bush and saddam, someone said it best that both are imperialistic dictators who have no regard for their citizens unless it involves suppressing them. This asshole in Iraq let millions die while he lives in luxury, and the same to bush, clinton, and practically every president this nation has ever had. I agree that our government is evil, and to be truthfull so are 99% of the world's governments, they pander to large corporations whom line their pockets and military arsenals while they basically rob and kill their native citizens and/or working classes. Kabar was right about the constitution,etc., these are all bones the politicos throw at us to keep us from revolting, nuff said. Even if you disagree with me, do a favor to yourself: look at these issues logically and study both sides' arguments and actions. So far Bush has done nothing but contradict himself and make accusations based on conjecture and opinion.

-Why has there been no material concrete evidence about Iraq that has been presented to the public? Usually a leader presents unarguable evidence about an issue before he spends billions of dollars and lots of lives for war, and all that bullshit blair has shown still doesnt prove a thing, no concrete evidence.

-Or how about the fact that Bush's reasoning and goal for a war with Iraq continue to change? First it was to rid them of weapons of mass destruction, then it was Iraq has violated UN resolutions, then it was saddam has killed his own people, and even that Iraq is linked to al quaeda. Or first the priority is to allow weapons inspectors in, then it was we need to change the regime in Iraq, these are just a few changes that even our own pussy ass congrees is even questioning.

-How come every time Iraq has made a move to allow inspectors in, the president and his cabinet dismiss them? If they truly were after their goal of keeping america safe than wouldnt these actions make them happy?

-How come whenever someone questions Bush(and his cabinet's)goals or actions, they are denounced as nonpatriots and called unamerican? Isnt one of the founding principles of this country the right to speach and to question? Isnt a country where this is not allowed a dictatorship?

-Im not even gonna start on how disgusting it is to me that Bush would disrespect the victims of 9/11 by using them in his speeches to the USand UN to push his own political agendas that have completely no relevence to the sept 11th attacks, fucken nauseating.

- The US has been found guilty violating dozens of UN charters, the US' response is basically "fuck off", and the UN is full of pussies who do nothing about it(not that I want them to)

Our presidency was basically robbed the last election, this violates any move to democracy in the world, yet I dont see france or anyone else trying to start a war with us and our own dictator who has no regard for the world(with his actions) and now is in charge of the largest arsenal of weapons in the world.

Either way, I am a biased person, but I tried to look at this issue impartially by just the facts of the situation and the actions of the involved party, and the Bush cabinet still wreaks of insincerity and bad intentions, I could only hope that you all and America can do the same and wake the fuck up!!!

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Originally posted by mental invalid

henry kissinger ....the guy is a borderline war criminal.....

 

borderline???

more like full-on professional war criminal.

:D

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yeah, how did i know browner would have something to say about mr.kissinger....i dont trust that fat fuck at all.....anyone like that who doesnt want to go to war, i assume has a trick up his sleave....

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