boogie hands Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 ok guy, last time i took photography class was in the 9th grade...needless to say some of the information has run away from me.... i go to the yard daily with my little mid grade camera....a cannon sure shot 76, nothing super but its not bad and it gets the job done...kind of. the problem i have is the yard is situated in a way where there is always harsh light...ive been using kodak 400 speed film which supposedly is made for harsh light but when i get my photos back i get a few like this.... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p5acf9991885f3c71a49e4df2d3f8ee79/fd46895c.jpg'> this basically ruins an othewise great picture which could have looked like this.... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pb31bf0c351f1107b30e8e56af144e7ba/fd496941.jpg'> my question is am i using the wrong film? i like to have a versitile film to use so i can catch rolling shots as well but id also like my photos to come out clear and colorful... are the conditions basically out of my control? do i need a better camera? could it just be walmarts film processing? any help would be appreciated...id love to experiment but im not to keen on having 24 photos come back looking worse than they did before.... thanks ahead of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 maybe you got the iso on wrong? or walmarts processing is shit. they adjust all the colours in the lab so maybe they are just fucking lazy. oh yeah, first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted September 14, 2002 Author Share Posted September 14, 2002 Originally posted by crackatinnie maybe you got the iso on wrong? would you mind elaborating? that term has also escaped me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 like the film you have is 400 iso (speed) so like you gotta change that setting on your camera too. thats pretty basic you prolly got that down pat. i dont know what functions your camera has either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted September 14, 2002 Author Share Posted September 14, 2002 yeah, i dont think there is anything on my camera that as to do with that....is pretty much your typical 100 dollar camera, 3 stage zoom, red eye reduction, blahblahblah.... thanks anyway though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 if it cost 100 bucks it should have it. but seeing as you made all that fog go away in photoshop id say walmart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest angry xbox Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 Originally posted by boogie hands ok guy, last time i took photography class was in the 9th grade...needless to say some of the information has run away from me.... i go to the yard daily with my little mid grade camera....a cannon sure shot 76, nothing super but its not bad and it gets the job done...kind of. the problem i have is the yard is situated in a way where there is always harsh light...ive been using kodak 400 speed film which supposedly is made for harsh light but when i get my photos back i get a few like this.... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p5acf9991885f3c71a49e4df2d3f8ee79/fd46895c.jpg'> this basically ruins an othewise great picture which could have looked like this.... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pb31bf0c351f1107b30e8e56af144e7ba/fd496941.jpg'> my question is am i using the wrong film? i like to have a versitile film to use so i can catch rolling shots as well but id also like my photos to come out clear and colorful... are the conditions basically out of my control? do i need a better camera? could it just be walmarts film processing? any help would be appreciated...id love to experiment but im not to keen on having 24 photos come back looking worse than they did before.... thanks ahead of time you know nothing about photography you idiot if you use slide film and a film scanner you will never have to worry about this problem bwuahahahahahah seriously shut up this is retarded go read a book on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8otech Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 I don't know much either but from hearing that you have a 'point-and-click' camera I would say that maybe it's time to investing in something a little more versitile<sp>. If you had something where you could adjust the appiture<sp> and shutter speed, then you could use that large amount of light to your advantage(My spot sounds similar). I use a CANON AE-100. It's old as fuck, but it's reliable as a muthafucka. What do ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23578 Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 Actually the second one looks enhanced and the first one looks normal, it's an overcast day there, you're picture isn't going to come out looking like it's in direct sunlight. More often than not I'm disappointed as to how they enhance my pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Luv Roo Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 The lower film speed (ISO) you use, the less grainy and more saturated/colorful the pictures will come out. If you are taking photos in daylight, you don't need anything higher than 200, and 100 speed looks the crispest. Walmart (and equivalent) processing is okay, but it's the printing that sucks. Some camera stores have good labs where they invest a bit more time in the printing - so I usually go to those types. If you have point and shoot, it will figure the ISO automatically, so you only need to pay attention to your focus and your flash. Sometimes if you use a fill flash in daylight, it will even it out, making harsh shadows less harsh (like on people's faces, etc.). But I think your photo is blown out because you are using too high film speed, and your camera may be compensating for the darker shadows in bright sunlight, thus opening up the shutter more than it needs to, making the whole photo overexposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grow a Beard Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 ok im a photo tech..............really. so when you guys get flicks developed.......wherever its at, heres what you do. 1.find a lab whos tech are chill..........you now how to scope shit out. small talk. usually younger kids wont give a shit. 2.ask them if they have a monitor they print from, if so they can control density and such. ask them when they print your roll to make it look less under/over exposed. 3.throwaway cameras are shit. invest in a cheap zoom camera and various speeds(low speed for bright and high for low light) 4.a flash isnt necessary for all flicks but really wont kill you to use it. 5.also a quick addition to posting would be to pay the two to four dollars and have them make a cd of your roll. this avoids the scanning bullshit and you can doctor it up yourself in photoshop you dig? 6. post and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted September 15, 2002 Author Share Posted September 15, 2002 Re: Re: matching film to your conditions....(photography) Originally posted by angry xbox you know nothing about photography you idiot if you use slide film and a film scanner you will never have to worry about this problem bwuahahahahahah seriously shut up this is retarded go read a book on it hahahha...look at you all upset because i snapped on you for being a fucking dork...ill do the clowing, you just hang out and be the teenage nerd that you are.... you fucking kids are killing me here.... and thank you I LUV ROO...ill give that a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my moment Posted September 15, 2002 Share Posted September 15, 2002 Re: Re: matching film to your conditions....(photography) Originally posted by angry xbox you know nothing about photography you idiot if you use slide film and a film scanner you will never have to worry about this problem bwuahahahahahah seriously shut up this is retarded go read a book on it youre fuckin stupid. you can get good exposure with out scanning slides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Luv Roo Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Re: Re: Re: matching film to your conditions....(photography) Originally posted by boogie hands hahahha...look at you all upset because i snapped on you for being a fucking dork...ill do the clowing, you just hang out and be the teenage nerd that you are.... you fucking kids are killing me here.... and thank you I LUV ROO...ill give that a try No problem, Boogie... I don't know all that much - but I try to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by 23578 Actually the second one looks enhanced and the first one looks normal, it's an overcast day there, you're picture isn't going to come out looking like it's in direct sunlight. More often than not I'm disappointed as to how they enhance my pictures. word to big bird... you're not gonna get such oversaturated color, no matter what film you use... the second flic is blown way out. and yes, it looks good, but it looks even better than the original did. rbox's arent that orangish, and you can really tell in the redish tones of the shadows... ok, i just wanted to be a photoshop nerd. but yes, i will give a 'here here' to roo and everyone else who said shoot with 1 or 200 speed film. the lower the number, the more light it needs, thus the more 'saturated' the negative becomes. if you get a camera with manual settings, then we could get into some hi tech 'pushing' tricks... but again, thats just me flossing... sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Luv Roo Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Yeah, if you have a manual camera, that's where you can really control how open the iris is, and you can change the shutter speed (slower to allow more light, faster to allow less light). When you are in bright daylight, such as the photo above, or other train shots, you can close the iris, and your depth of field will also be much longer (ie the amount of stuff in the photo in focus is a much bigger range...NOT the 'martha stewart living' style of photography). Geez... this is actually all from motion picture film knowledge, and I don't even know much about photography. I could never answer any printing or processing questions... In fact someday I should take a photo class. kay, gotta eat my pho now... mmm pho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Invest in a nice photo printer, get really handy with Photoshop, make a couple of frame templates to give your pictures those nice washed out print edges, and you're bling to go. Beer, El Mamerro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Use 400 speed film. 100 or 200 speed will leave you shit out of luck if it's gloomy outside or the train is moving. 400 speed gives you the versatility and quality that you're probably looking for. I'm not too familiar with the sure shot 76, but is it a 38mm-76mm zoom...? It could be the camera, it could be the developer. How many photos have turned out like this? Using a flash for taking pictures of freights is retarded, unless you just finished it late at night. It could be the paper they're using, it could be the emulsion, it could be 1000 things. If your camera is just a point and shoot zoom, try taking photos without zooming in and see if that's any better, your aperature could be messing you up. And don't listen to everyone on here about manual cameras. They're cheap, but unless you want to put some thought into every photo you take, they're worthless. That's my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted September 19, 2002 Author Share Posted September 19, 2002 thanks to everyone for theyre two cents....right now im using kodak 800 speed which is supposedly very versatile....ill see how the roll comes out then mabey check into a few of the other suggestions here.... if worse comes to worse ill just get the manual camera i have fixed.... god...why cant it just be overcast every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by boogie hands thanks to everyone for theyre two cents....right now im using kodak 800 speed which is supposedly very versatile....ill see how the roll comes out then mabey check into a few of the other suggestions here.... if worse comes to worse ill just get the manual camera i have fixed.... god...why cant it just be overcast every day Be careful with 800 speed, you could over expose your film on a sunny day. It doesn't have to be over cast... invest in a nice point and shoot with a zoom, and your woes will be gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted September 19, 2002 Author Share Posted September 19, 2002 supposedly its made for bright conditions as well....again, im pretty much experimenting here so we'll see how it goes.... i really might try to cut out the zoom all together and see how that goes....out of curiosity though what is the problem with a zoom lense? more light hitting the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by boogie hands supposedly its made for bright conditions as well....again, im pretty much experimenting here so we'll see how it goes.... i really might try to cut out the zoom all together and see how that goes....out of curiosity though what is the problem with a zoom lense? more light hitting the film? Is there a zoom on your camera??? The problem with a zoom on a camera is a large aperature, which means less light to your film, which could explain what happened in that picture. The more you zoom, the less light gets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SMUGGLER RSH Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 For years I used a manual camera my mum got back when she was studying art at university.....Shit the cmera is heavy but that gives stability and being able to adjust shutter speed, zoom, and focus is so much better than point and click cameras of which I have one now and am stuck with it until I go back to Australia. The other good thing I fin with manual cameras is what you see in the view finder is what the shot is exactly...Shit with these point and shit cameras you always miss bits on the side and such......Fuck these electronic pieces of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pilau Hands Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 god...why cant it just be overcast every day no...NO...they might here you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 800 IS versatile if its not sunny out. the problem is that its also alot more grainy than a lower speed film... figure, twice as much as 400, 4 times 200, and 8x100... you can really tell the difference. if you take alot of shots at night, its good, because it needs alot less light, but its unecesary during the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 5.also a quick addition to posting would be to pay the two to four dollars and have them make a cd of your roll. this avoids the scanning bullshit and you can doctor it up yourself in photoshop you dig? best sugesstion yet. bobby bobby bobby diggi diggi diggi ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Luv Roo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Originally posted by Fugazi Is there a zoom on your camera??? The problem with a zoom on a camera is a large aperature, which means less light to your film, which could explain what happened in that picture. The more you zoom, the less light gets in. No, if you zoom with an auto focus camera, it will open the aperture, allowing MORE light in to compensate for light lost in the zoom lens(es). That picture is washed out because its overexposed and it looks grainy because of the high film speed, and probably the quality of printing had something to do with it. Solution: low speed film, good photo lab = good print. I've realised that a zoom is overrated anyway, and its way harder to focus if you have a point and shoot with a zoom lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Originally posted by I Luv Roo No, if you zoom with an auto focus camera, it will open the aperture, allowing MORE light in to compensate for light lost in the zoom lens(es). That picture is washed out because its overexposed and it looks grainy because of the high film speed, and probably the quality of printing had something to do with it. Solution: low speed film, good photo lab = good print. I've realised that a zoom is overrated anyway, and its way harder to focus if you have a point and shoot with a zoom lens. The farther in you zoom, the LESS light that gets in. Most point and shoots have something like a 3.5 to 4.8+ aperature, 3.5 being when it's at it's base zoom, and 4.8+ when it's fully zoomed in. You can demonstrate this by buying an SLR camera and using a zoom lense. The farther you zoom in, the slower the shutter speed will become, because less light is getting in. And over exposure normally leads to darkened colors, underexposure leaves you with that grainy foggy look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Luv Roo Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 You got it backwards, I'm telling you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deas Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 dont listen to these idiots dont get color slide color slide film is what professional photographers use the exposure must be perfect or else it turns out crappy or not at all just get the cheapest piece of shit camera you can find and get 200-400 speed film i get fujifilm because it cheaper all places you take your film will come out the same they use machines theres a photocraft near my house i needed some pictures developed for a project and it cost me $16 for one hour prints just go to a target or walmart and get one hour for $4-$7 and if you can wait 2 days take them to a grocery store they send the pictures out to a kodak developing place and i have gotten a roll of film developed for $3 if you try and mess with aperature, shutter speed etc you just waste time and if you dont know what you are doing you could mess it up the camera doesnt matter and those throw away camera take just as good pictures as professional cameras just cause the camera costs $100 doesnt means the pictures will come out better if you want a zoom got to the local photo shop and ask if they have some old cameras you can get an old camera and tons of zoom lenses for like $50 you just waste money buying new cameras i got a $400 camera with everything and my friend went to the photcraft and got an older camera with like 6 zoom lenses for $50 if you see a a freight moving you can do whats called panning what you do is have the shutter at like 500 stand still and move the camera with the train the background will be out of focus but the subject will be in focus i dont how good it will work with a train since it's moving fast but its worth a try also it may take a couple trys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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