T.T Boy Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 i dont even know what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Martin Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 word up dog. me and the lady should be settled by then. i hope to move a short train ride south of NYC. its funny cause i got kicked out of a english bar up here for trying to have a discussion with old pub grumps about graffiti. anyway...ill hit with the details on a email. peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krowteN Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Originally posted by se_FOUR I remeber when I went to New York, I couldn`t get a beer cos you got to have ID and can`t smoke a spliff on the street, you can`t even carry a can of beer down the street cos it`s gotta be in bag, surely you have worse things to worry about than this.. I used to buy beer for the old man when I was 10-and recently ive seen young kids buy beer w/o id. I walked down W8th street just last year burning a spliff-middle of the day. but hey maybe i just got lucky. but i think generally european society is a lot more tolerant of things like open containers, spliffs and graffiti-even though penalties IF you get caught may be just as stiff. I think europe dosent have as much of a control complex, if you will, as america does, and for that i am envious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datum Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Originally posted by ZedIsDed -clueless in the UK yeah whatever sunshine, u ever been to the uk? i never said you could get away with it, but if you wanted to you could get a subway car to run. just paint them all! (it was intended as a joke) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se_FOUR Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 .. Originally posted by ZedIsDed I used to buy beer for the old man when I was 10-and recently ive seen young kids buy beer w/o id. I walked down W8th street just last year burning a spliff-middle of the day. but hey maybe i just got lucky. but i think generally european society is a lot more tolerant of things like open containers, spliffs and graffiti-even though penalties IF you get caught may be just as stiff. I think europe dosent have as much of a control complex, if you will, as america does, and for that i am envious. Hey Zed, yeah kinda caught us in mid argument, which ended up all good, cos i`m gonna hook up with Glass-Etch when I`m over in the States next year..Funny how some arguments turn out..safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 jesus christ... to my knowledge, the only 'whole train' done on a NYC subway, since the 80's, was done by europeans. my head hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 usa vs europe i havent hit many usa cities trains, I have painted more in europe but I must say this. The ones in the states have always been easier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krowteN Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Originally posted by datum but having said that, saying that the subaway cars will naver run is a bit of a cop out, they would have to if you painted enough of them... the clueless in the UK statement was in response to this. but oh yeah it was a joke:lol: Originally posted by datum yeah whatever sunshine, u ever been to the uk? never. ever painted all the rapid transit/commuter/passenger trains in the us? Originally posted by datum i never said you could get away with it, but if you wanted to you could get a subway car to run. just paint them all! (it was intended as a joke) :D i think its understood that trains would run with graffiti on them in the US. but run 1 maybe 2 trips. what would be the point other than saying i did it once Its not very difficult to get to passenger trians here to paint them, but risking for just a photo of a sloppy quik piece, to me personally is not worth it. i like to see graffiti in real life, not in fliks on the internet. see i personally feel that if it aint gonna run than its not worth it. even if dozens of writers accross america were to simutaniously attack transit systems in various cities, laying waste to everything in their path. painting every car in the system. yeah we wuld enjoy seeing graffiti run on trains for maybe 1 2 weeks. but after that everything would be hot, trains , walls, freights, legal walls - the internet. ive long since been over argueing about this but i will do what i can to help the euros understand why it is not as logical as it may look from the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ Puncher Oner Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Re: usa vs europe Originally posted by amaze i havent hit many usa cities trains, I have painted more in europe but I must say this. The ones in the states have always been easier... They're all easy when you just show up in a city and have someone take you to the yard, tell you the deal, then hold your hand to the car. Out of those trains, how many yards did you find on your own? How much time did you spend sitting in the bushes, scoping things out? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 i spent 4 hours with another foreigner in germany scoping out a yard and did it. sure it was risky and i had about 7 minutes but i did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Martin Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 and just for the record, i got a lot of respect for writers that hit transit and get gritty in the layups. thats crazy. im looking forward to the oppurtunity whenever it presents itself. Freeways though, shit is the same kinna. you do a peice on a heaven, your painting metal about the size of a panel. instead of being hot in a layup, your being hot 15 feet up in the air over traffic that speeds by under you. driving by freeway shots is tight to, cause you can drive by over and over and over. and know when traffic hits motherfuckers are driving by hella slow peeping your shit. much respect to all involved in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datum Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by ZedIsDed i think its understood that trains would run with graffiti on them in the US. but run 1 maybe 2 trips. what would be the point other than saying i did it once Its not very difficult to get to passenger trians here to paint them, but risking for just a photo of a sloppy quik piece, to me personally is not worth it. i like to see graffiti in real life, not in fliks on the internet. see i personally feel that if it aint gonna run than its not worth it. even if dozens of writers accross america were to simutaniously attack transit systems in various cities, laying waste to everything in their path. painting every car in the system. yeah we wuld enjoy seeing graffiti run on trains for maybe 1 2 weeks. but after that everything would be hot, trains , walls, freights, legal walls - the internet. ive long since been over argueing about this but i will do what i can to help the euros understand why it is not as logical as it may look from the outside. yeah, i wouldnt want to bring that much heat! i was just playin, tryin to get a reaction...:dazed: its a shame the train scene isnt as big and as easy as it was over there, seems like a big part of the graffiti world kinda died when the mta started the clean train policy. i dont know much about the US scene though, just what ive herad and checked out for myself.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Martin Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 i peeped some uk trains that shits on hit for real. i got robbed with my mom on a mta train covered in graffiti in 1987. my one and only experience with the mta. come to California Datum. get some ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 this is just an observation, ive been travelling around a bit, and ive seen some la guys whove gotten ups in europe, fishe lts, to be exact, andi was expecting an la guy to tear the hell out of the place, but all ive seen fro this guy were postal strickers. i mean isnt lts supposed to be some hardcore bombing crew? i was actually looking forward for some la guys to tear this place up, id love to see la graff on the walls and trains here, show the euros that north americans arent as soft as they think. too bad.but maybe he did more than ive seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.LonelyHeart Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 TT dude...you're talking about just one writer. not his whole crew, city or country. Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 yeah i know, i shouldnt really justify a whole crew on that.... im just some no name anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipher Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 Originally posted by T.T Boy yeah i know, i shouldnt really justify a whole crew on that.... im just some no name anyways fuck the europeans and you dumb ass americans, us Aussies paint transit everyday, you should come here if you wanna get dirty in the yards, check out the Melbourne Thread too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se_FOUR Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 Originally posted by Dipher fuck the europeans and you dumb ass americans, us Aussies paint transit everyday, you should come here if you wanna get dirty in the yards, check out the Melbourne Thread too. Firstly your a country of Europeans, and secondly who gives a fuck about painting Aussie steel, theres no point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 Originally posted by Dipher fuck the europeans and you dumb ass americans, us Aussies paint transit everyday, you should come here if you wanna get dirty in the yards, check out the Melbourne Thread too. oh great another one of you asshole aussies. sefour please email me, i have a favour to ask of you. maybe you can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krowteN Posted September 16, 2002 Share Posted September 16, 2002 ha ha ha...yeah arent australians just european prisoners you ausshole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalixxx_one Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 I havent read everything but i can just say that its hard to paint subways, commuters and other trains in sweden and one panel is like 5000dollars. And if you're not an experienced writer or dont have experienced friends you dont get to paint trains because you get yo ass kicked if you do it at somebodys yard without permission of that person or crew. Ex. A very good writer from sweden called rizla went to denmark to paint the subway in copenhagen. He did. And for that Moa crew crushed his hand. Nice? No. So you cant say that europe is easy... Besides, european style is more developed than american style. There are just a few that has cool styles in the u.s, and thats cope and a few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Merdle Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 Besides, european style is more developed than american style. There are just a few that has cool styles in the u.s, and thats cope and a few others. [/b]You dont have a clue man, its writers like you that give europe such a bad name in the us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 so, if i come to sweden are you gonna show me how to paint the stockholm subway? i hear its one of the hardest, id like to give it a crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schick1 Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 Besides, european style is more developed than american style. There are just a few that has cool styles in the u.s, and thats cope and a few others. [/b] idont think you know whats up, do you, also all these kids from every fucking country saying we paint transit blah blah blah, well in american weve been ther done that, see how easy itll be to paint transit in 5 years, and without the us graff wouldnt exist, just remember yall bite us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se_FOUR Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 Originally posted by schick1 Besides, european style is more developed than american style. There are just a few that has cool styles in the u.s, and thats cope and a few others. idont think you know whats up, do you, also all these kids from every fucking country saying we paint transit blah blah blah, well in american weve been ther done that, see how easy itll be to paint transit in 5 years, and without the us graff wouldnt exist, just remember yall bite us [/b][/b] The point is it`s not easy to paint subways here anyway, theres not one country in Europe and the U.S as well which has as much security as the London Tube yards do..Check it, movement sensors, infered trips, some of the fences have movement sensors, cameras, and the obvious security guards .. This we know chap "AMERICA INVENTED GRAFFITI" we take our hats off to you..thank you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datum Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 Originally posted by kalixxx_one Besides, european style is more developed than american style. There are just a few that has cool styles in the u.s, and thats cope and a few others. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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