Guest catwash Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 but it's not about art, that's my point. It's about getting your name up. If it looks good too then cool, but it's about getting up. <..but its about art...If its not then why dont you go out and just throw buckets of paint on trains? and draw lines and just fuck trains up?> been there too and I line trains as I leave yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mojo Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 >>>but it's not about art, that's my point. It's about getting your name up. If it looks good too then cool, but it's about getting up.<<< Yeah, just some of us are a little more creative than just scribbling shit that peeps cant even read >>>been there too and I line trains as I leave yards<<< So how is that getting up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaceOfPain Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Yeah, just some of us are a little more creative than just scribbling shit that peeps cant even read Dude dont say that hey i fucking hate it when people whine and say "but no body can read it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mojo Posted July 22, 2002 Author Share Posted July 22, 2002 Im not saying that. I can read it and im sure all other writers can, but if they are trying to get normal everyday people to read it then usually they dont have a chance Part of graff is the encryption of tagging and piecing and its intention is to remain unknown so as not to get caught but at the same time so other writters can recognise it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn1 Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I wouldn't normally bother responding, but as this is something that really shits me in graffiti I will. Graffiti is not art. Technically I would be more qualified to talk about art than most, but that's another story. Coming from that place I will state the fact that graffiti is not art, but it can be artistic at times. Which doesn't mean its good. Theres good art and shit art, just like good food and bad food etc etc. I do art stuff, and am an active train writer, never the twain shall meet. I don't personally like artistic graffiti. To me good graffiti is vandalsim with style. I don't need to make myself sound profound or justify anything to myself by saying my graffiti is art, like I'm some poor unacknowledge romantic poetic art ponce from the streets that no one understands, and all I'm doing is making people question their stance on property and ownership, and thus in the greater scheme of things...."LOVE". I'm a culture jammer, questioning advertising with 3 by 3 cm stickers! Don't you feel like a cliche'?? And ecce, what you said about not having the ideas to do the obviously next level profound wheat posters that you do is a joke, you call that living???? You call that confronting, your ideas are old and tired. People that say panels aren't shit, either haven't done them, or are too scared. Ecce, out of curiousity what writers do you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatlaces Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Originally posted by EccE How isnt street art just another way of getting up? If getting up is what you are concerned with then trains arent very effective. most get buffed in Syd before even leaving the yards and those that do make it out- nobody but writers takes notice anyway. Making people jolt out of there mundane lives is what im about and taking it to the street is more effective than a panel anyday! Its not totally the wrong reason but there is definately more to it Im sorry ecce but i would rather see one quickie 20 minute panel than 10000 of your posters and stencils. yes i like stencils and posters and all that but it just doesnt compare to seeing a panel running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 ok well. Rsmry'sBaby great. you make so much of a distinction. most people like to read a whole lot more into their graffiti. they like to have more to it than a aesthetic reason. you dont like it? tough your a dime a dozen. you have no idea how many panel purists there are out there, and your just another face in the idiot panel crowd. the fact that you likley know about art and you still hate on legals, posters and alternative mediums is stupid. i mean i agree with you to an extent. I'm a culture jammer, questioning advertising with 3 by 3 cm stickers! this is why i quit doing most of that kind of stuff. but youve gotta think more about what your saying i guess my point is that you cant draw your line in the sand so close. sure you are alowed to paint trains and only trains but just because you do that dosent mean you arent alowed to appretiate styles and work that differ from yours. if its illegal try to approach it with an open mind rather than dismiss it purley because of what it stands for. i like the first peice ecce. dope stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beardo Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 what a pointless argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEXXX Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Sydney hasn't changed a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mojo Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 Misquote mayhem! Originally posted by Rsmry'sBaby >>>>graffiti is not art, but it can be artistic at times. Which doesn't mean its good. Theres good art and shit art, just like good food and bad food etc etc.<<<< Agreed, however what is shit is still just an opinion. All forms of expression are valid >>>I do art stuff, and am an active train writer, never the twain shall meet. >>>Don't you feel like a cliche'??<<<< No. I never claimed to be a jammer. I like the idea about turning commercialism back on itself and stealing some of the techniques, but thats about it. I too do art stuff and street stuff and the line is always blurred between the two. But this is just my style and you dont have to like it. I am not trying to make a profound comment on society, I am just trying to get up like most other people, but in my own way that is going to get noticed as much as possible. >>>And ecce, what you said about not having the ideas to do the obviously next level profound wheat posters that you do is a joke, you call that living???? You call that confronting, your ideas are old and tired.<<< Firstly, you are misquoting what I said. I did say that there were more creative ways of getting up than the same old scribbles that ARE a dime a dozen. Yet tagging has its purpose like I said before. >>>People that say panels aren't shit, either haven't done them, or are too scared.<<<< I did not say this- I was just stating that they are not as effective as taking it to the street >>>Ecce, out of curiousity what writers do you like?<<< Mostly old skool like unique, atome, gane2, dmote, kerupt Some new stuff I like- days, snarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mojo Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 Creative Tagging Here are some other examples of my shit- http://www.artisdead.org/bunnysculpt.jpg'> http://www.artisdead.org/space.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photofreaks Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 sydney graffiti art beefs This is a interesting topic you have here........ Im from Melbourne and your all bitching over bullshit,, Graffiti is a Medium applied to a surface illegally,, Poster art was the very start of graffiti................................................. Keith Haring : The 1st Graffiti artist As Hip Hop music emerged so did a new outlet for artistic visibility. Keith Haring began using posters to place his uniquely drawn figures and characters in public places. Soon he began to draw directly on subway walls and transit posters. The uniqueness of his drawings eventually led to their being shown in galleries and published in books and his art became "legitimate". Taki 183: Initiator of Tagging At about the same time as Keith Haring, a delivery messenger began writing "Taki 183" whenever he delivered documents. Soon his name was all over the city. Newspapers and magazines wrote articles about him and Keith Haring. Both became celebrities. This claim to fame attracted many young people, especially those involved with rapping. They began to imitate "Taki 183". So i Dont know really why you beef over bullshit anyway .... I just say do what you gotta do,, in the end its mostly your self that appreciates it the most.......... And i also run a Melbourne Old school Graffiti site Graffiti Photofreaks http://www.go.to/photofreaks So check it out!!!! Its got a fair bit of Melbourne history there..... I also got some Old school photo's of Unique and some other sydney writers that done work in Melbourne .. but there not on my site so i will try and post them here next time.......... Peace dudes.................-=Graffiti Photofreaks=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mojo Posted July 24, 2002 Author Share Posted July 24, 2002 Well said photofreaks. I agree that it is all just bullshit. I only started this thread to check out what other people were up to- instead I got dragged into this debate of semantics. Would love to see those photos posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fah-Q Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 w-r-i-t-e-r spells writer... a writer is not someone who pastes, they would more apropriately be called a paster, u wanna write, then write, graffiti is graffiti, i mean if u put a name up and u get it up, thats all that matters, but i mean, with all due respecthow much props can u get takin an already made image and putting it up, i mean u could concievably put a wildstyle on some wheat paste its not a street piece, its an over sized sticker, its a played out idea, its used by cats that think theyll get so much props, and they do, do they get more props then a real throwup tag bomber? yea they do in alot of cases, and its not fare, because the shit is not so great, the onyl time it had any kick was when the original NYC duo revs/cost did it first, now its getting too artsy, yuppified, and played out, stop riding revs's ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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