MestOne Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 ...I dont know what to say, i think for the people who live in NYC and read this article they will just wanna hit more walls and what not..i know if i was there i would want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemflix Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 this is what five oh looks like http://members.shaw.ca/alexs002/youreahomo.jpg'> http://www.bemflix.com/update70702/fagboy.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tEkRoCkS Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 i seriously hope heads go out and FUCKIN KILL SHIT HARD!!!! maybe some ol school heads will come out and blaze some shit for the kiddies....:idea: :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Europe Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 In Copenhagen the mayor is totally anti-graffiti, he has build his own little campaign against graffiti. In publications and statements he declares that his campaign is based on the NYC model and that its works, that there is not graffiti in NYC anymore.... The media sucks this up without a question. WHAT??? Its called propanganda and its one of the most effective tools in politics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8oholic Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 every new mayor in office does this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 i think the most ironic and tough swallowing is the fact the bloomberg recently cut the recycling project in NYC in order to save 40 million and it wasnt profitable....um, so let me get this straight....your gonna stop recycling so thats more fucking trash in a place where its already an obstacle because you cant make a buck off it, and not only that but as one of the biggest cities in the world, you are also indirectly effecting all of us.....however your gonna waste all this money trying to clean up graff.....whatever.... its all fucking political........:rolleyes: "please recycle, not buff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blancito Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 mental invalidski i agree. cutting recycling. that shit is fucked up. i am baffled that no one has figured out how to make a profitable biz off that shit. one day some one will be raking in the dough on that. but clearly bloomberg knows whats what as far as good PR moves. garbage is garbage and if recyc gets picked up (as trash or otherwise) its out sight and out of mind. buff graff and its made to be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Showoff Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Re: the devil and his advocate Originally posted by blancito second, there is a theory, in psychology or some shit like that, which is called the 'broken window syndrome' or something. basically its like this; in any given neighborhood if you leave the broken windows broken crime goes up because people look around and rightly see that no one gives a fuck and think they can get away with whatever. graffiti is a broken window in this sense. so in law enforcement terms, you take care of the surface, quality of life shit and you create an environment where people feel like it is not as easy to get away breaking the rules and laws. subway crime went way down when they went clean train. [/b] It is a sociological theory, which you basically summed up corecetly, however one of the principles of it is that the residents of the homes must be willing to fix their own broken windows. ie. do store owners in spots like bushwick clean their grates, not usually, because in that hood people dont think like "i dont want to go to that store because it has graf on it" on the upper east side though, that is te prevailing mentality. Therefore, in some spots it might work like the UES, where once it gets clean, it stays clean. But in brooklyn and the bronx, for the most part, all they are doing is erasing history and calling for toy to paint everything. If they gonna buff grates, catch a tag right on the fuckin awning and make them pay to replace that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MR. F'N LUPO Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 how bout having a war on potholes for christ sake, has any of you tried driving over 3 miles an hour on canal street recently? and what about the war against the homeless that was supposed to be goin on like 2 yrs back, there all over again. this city cant do anything correctly, not only did they talk all this shit about graffiti, but in the clip on the news the mayor and his little yes man are shown rolling over a mural that was done with permission in williamsburg by rime and them kcw heads, this reminds me of a few yrs back when alot of writers were boycotting orangina cuz in one of there commercials theres a bunch of kids drinkin orangina and buffing a full blown mural done by writers i assume in cali or what ever. politicians dont make sense man i tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blancito Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 showoff and lupo showoff...thank you for the clarification...my background is neither psych or sociology. everyone talks about the elimination of history when they speak of the buff. maybe its just me, and no disrespect to those who came before, but one of the dopest things about graffiti is its temporary nature. museums, which by and large suck, are for preservation, ...the streets are for evoloution. sounds absurdly cornball, but some of today's toys will be tomorrows kings? lupo...what's the lupo reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Showoff Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 temporary vs. eliminated Yeah, I'm not saying that I start cryin every time a tag gets painted over, but I feel as though having a fillin buried under many other fillins, or having a tag fade until it is illegible, is the natural evolution of graffiti, not having whole blocks painted over. Grates and industrial areas and rooftops were chosen by writers, specifically because they aren't ususally buffed. So, if the whole city is a buff spot, writers wil just start doing more damage to high-visibility temporary spots, maybe highways will make a comeback... who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blancito Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 a fine distinction. and by fine, i mean good not slight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGarbageMan Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 yea wut the fuck with canal street...how about investing in fixing the holes there so traffic doesnt move 3 miles an hour. Fuckin stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HOST18 DYM Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I personally do not like to see the old street shit go. In NYC there's no need for people to go over old shit, there is more then enough room. If I was the sort of asshole who went over people I would go over a new fillin before an old one. There's plenty of bad old shit out there but there's so much good shit that people just go over, that's wack to me. Graffiti in my eye's isn't so temporary, there are tags running that are over 20 years old out here, believe it I've seen em. It pisses me off when I see some asswipe go over shit like Easy and Joz tags. I remember some weaseldick went over the Dc and Sd fillins next to the Brooklyn bridge where you get on to the BQE. When I saw that shit I felt like dissing them myself. How you gonna go over some shit that's been there since 1991 with some hurt nonsense. It's bad enough you got the buff doing it, but writers? stupidity. Fact is regardless if your not going to respect writers like Easy and Joz for being old respect it because they are most likely a hell of a lot better then the pure shit your going to put over them. Sometimes I pass up doing a fillin on a gate because it will have a shit load of dope old tags on it. To me, that shit is beautiful. I'd rather see that then my own fillin, or anyone else's for that matter. I think it also comes down to people will say "OK I'm going over this shit it's old and he don't write any more anyways.." then finish the sentence in their head ".. so it aint gonna come back to me". I don't see much of anyone going over VFR shit from 93, hmmm I wonder why.. because it's old? No, because he still writes and you know that shit will get back to them. I'm kinda going off on a tangent but my point is that there is more then no reason to go over the old school shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEKGKASSGUY Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 FUCKING YUPPIES WHEN WILL THESE FUCKING YUPPIE WHITE MAYORS REALIZE THIS SHIT AINT GOING AWAY...CASE IN POINT THAT SHIT ABOUT THE DOOR BEING PAINTED AND 2 HOURS LATER ANOTHER TAG ON IT LIKE THAT GUY EARLIER SAID...ALL THEY FUCKING DOING IS WAISTING $$$ ON SHIT THATS JUST GONNA COME BACK...ALL THAT SHIT DOES IS WIPE OUT OLD FILLINS AND OLD SPOTS SO NEW NIGGAS CAN COME ROCK IT ,SAD THING ABOUT IT IS WIT ALL THE NEWBIES NOW BEING LIKE FUCKIN 10+ YEARS OLD THEY JUST MAKING THE SHIT LOOK MOREFUCKED UP THAN IT WAS,...I DUNNO ABOUT YOU BUT I RATHER SEE A FUCKIN OLD ASS VE FILLING ON A WALL THAN SOME NEWBIE FUCKING WRITER SCRIBBLING ON THE SHIT MAKING IT LOOK GAY...EITHER WAY THAT SHIT IS A WAIST OF $ AND A WAIST OF TIME...U WOULD THINK, GUILLIANI ISNT MAYOR ANYMORE THIS SHIT WOULD END ALREADY AND U WOULD THINK...SHIT 2 FUCKING BIG ASS BUILDINGS FELL...OUR ECONOMY IS LOW...WHAT THE FUCK DO WE HAVE COPS THAT LOOK FOR KIDS WRITING ON WALLS ON PAYROLE FOR STILL???...FUCK THE WORLD BITCHES AND GENTLEMEN JUST GRAB A FUCKIN CAN AND DO WHATEVER THE FUCK U WANT...IF U GET BAGGED 2MORROW IS NO DIFFERENT THAN IF U WOULDA GOT BAGGED 2 WEEKS AGO B4 THIS SHIT WAS PRINTED INTHE PAPERS...REGARDLESS IF U GET BAGGED U WERE GOING TO GET BAGGED ITS NOT B/C OF NO FUCKING "GRAFFITI TASK FORCE" BULLSHIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SEone Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 All good points made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I LOVE NY Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 THIS GUY IS GONNA RUIN THIS BEAUTIFULL CITY NEWYORKERS!!!!!! NOW I HEAR HE WANTS TO RAISE THE TRAIN FAIR TO 2 BUCKS. THIS BUFF SHIT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! THESE SO MANY WRITERS HERE IN N.Y. AND THERE ARE DUDES MAKING TRIPS JUST TO HIT THE NYC.SO HONESTLY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.AND ITS A WASTE OF YOURS AND MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proph UAcrew Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 propaganda... dont believe everything printed by the government. Most likely nothing will change, or not much at least. It's a cycle, since the start of graffiti, to now, these statements have basicly been made 100 times before, alll over the world. And in some senses it has worked, just look at the game then, 100% illegal, and the game now... 40-50% illegal... if that. Legals were rare back in the day. Why? because there was less risk involved, now adays, if artists really want to showcase their skills it has to be done on a legal, basicly or a freight (which really doesnt involve much risk to do). Because painting ditches and tracks nobody ever sees doesnt bring fame. Oldschool writers didnt need to look to legals, they looked to the yards for their fame. And thats what all writers are looking for, fame, recognition, and respect. In my eyes, very few get all 3, but their are still some cats out there who deserve it, just not the majority of the scene. The law in some ways has pushed graff into an artform, writers doing canvases, writers doing nothing but legals, and for what? fame recognition and respect. Money comes into play, but when I see a writer with 300 legals under his belt and never seen him up once in my life... what should I think of him? an artist, or a writer? or both? I think an artist, and I'm sure plenty of you would argue with me. when I drive on the high way and see some random ass throws on my way to nowhere important, and then see the same throw 100 miles away entering the city... I think to myself... thats a writer. and there are very few these days. I think these repetitive actions the mayor of NY is taking should push writers to move off the legals and onto the streets and highways with their shit. instead of the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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