wutangbanger Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 do something bout them drips perm.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGREAL Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 hey perm how is that montana marker? worth it or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ~nebz~ Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 i'm loving it except for the drips but your way ahead of me so i can't complain...:D :o :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob barker Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 hey perm,were did you get that green artline? hows it workin out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoeHatesCops Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 i must stress the importance of wrist movement like hold the pen firm and just draw in quick decisive movements, when doing letters, you can move the pen a bit, but if its all finger movement its a lot harder and doesnt look as good, a while back, that all the hella good writers i know, write like that, hella jerky motion, then i realized i didnt do it like that, and as soon as i did that it was a lot easer to write, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest big PERM Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 the drips on the shadow guy and the perm were intentional, i personally like the affect of drips placed well, i could have easily fixed them but whatever....... as for the artline i got it in italy, when i first got it though the ink didnt flow at all, but i left it alone for like a week and the ink thinned out by its self now its pretty dope. the montana pen is alright its sort of like novelty sized, its only good for glass cause on anything else it runs dry after a stroke and a half. and to the "hard" new yorker, i dont only paint wood, when i started i went out and painted some gay ass shit that embarasses me to this day. i wish i had started painting wood before i went out but thats just my opinion. i paint wood and shit because i like to paint under chill conditions, but that doesnt stop me from painting walls. also i didnt learn anything from the internet and i dont expect anybody to study this thread hard and treat it literally as a "bible". and if they do i dont think they shouldnt be writing at all. i didnt start drawing my letters with this progression technique and i still dont i just thought it looked dope after i saw zesto's and dork's prgressions and decided to try it out. its all in good fun dont take it too seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ~nebz~ Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 .............:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 ok then..... Who's Up for the Next lesson ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest -sudz- Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 me???:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 ...i'm glad i'm not the only one that knows how to spell summer...then i would have felt real bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DeNtOnE~ Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 here they are.. here are the letters i was talking about .. dont bite... but use as a structure.... :mad: http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00220108f00000001.jpg'> http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00220108f00000002.jpg'> alot of writers do this when they scetch it out.. http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00220108f00000003.jpg'> well thats all i uploaded ones~ sorry so small! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DeNtOnE~ Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 damn! looks pretty fucked up but you can still see.... sorry bout the size and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ~nebz~ Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 this thread gets better and better every post :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drunken phil Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 i DO, however, agree that this post sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unseen Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 i think every kid that looks at this thread needs to know that theres not one way of doing things. Try to come up with something diffrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoink Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 its understandable that alot of people rag on this thread but its a good idea, and a good reference if not just interesting.... i mean shit i even kinda catch myself looking at my letters differently now...which is a good thing..so kudos..it goes without saying that "graf" is something to learn on your own its not out of a book or class but it doesnt hurt it to discuss ideas, and visually displays pointers and tips...just like writers showing eachother their blackbooks and shit:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DeNtOnE~ Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 there! ^^^^ some one tells it how it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzeWST Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Most of the good writers I've met have been at one point or another taught by someone else. That doesn't mean that you have to do those same letters and style over and over. But having a solid foundation for a starting point doesn't hurt. Also, I believe you can teach and share lettering styles and philosphies without homogonizing graffiti. But I'm saving that for my book.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uproker Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 The problem I have with this is that when I started. I had to learn about letter segmenting on my own. I thought that was the shit too. I didnt go on the internet and look it up. So now whenever a kid asks me for advice, I just say its better if you learn on your own, you will apreciate it more. I do find it interesting though to see how other people put there letters togather. anyway good and bad post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Originally posted by IzzeWST But I'm saving that for my book.... I want a copy ! So I hope everyone took the time to think about what I said in my first post... I know people will try to pull cards on this with comments like... "Let the toys learn the hard way" and "It's only going to encourage biters" Yeah... or maybe this thread will help a bunch of people get better, and then raise the quality of the fourm. yeah.. there's no substitue for practice and experience, but not every lesson needs to be learned the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROSTY Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 ^^^ no doubt zesto this is a great idea. they all just dont wanna learn this way because they all wanna say that they taught themselfs all they know. I never went to graffiti school or anything but I got advice from enough writers and it has helped me forsure. And this thread dosnt encourage biters cauz all it teaches is how to get a good letter form to start out with. I remember when I started I was sketching for months before I even learned what letter form was and how it had to be applied. I just used a whole bunch of arrows and some crazy 3d effects and from far away I thought my sketches looked hype.... they didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SymonSays25 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 You are all toys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ser3adc Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 ^^shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geegollygosh Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 it is really sad that people are learning letters, structure, color schemes and shit off of the internet...this really is a new low for 12oz weather you believe it or not...my letters were pure shit for like 2 years...but now it feels like i accomplished a lot after striving hard to get better...your basically cutting out an essential part of graff and peoples pride by posting these "how-to's" and shit...your giving people basically a false sense of skill...i dont know 1 single person that would respect anyone who was taught structure and givin color schemes on the computer....when i first started i used to get so frustrated with what i was drawing looking at people i looked up to and being like shit why cant i do that...and im sure thats what kids on here feel like...but zesto what you need to realize is this is kinda like a filter...id say that a lot of kids quit after a while cause they are bad which is good because a key part to graff is dedication and they obviously were not...in essence...you really are hurting kids more then helping them which i know you are trying to do...im not trying to attack you or anything but good lord this is just horrible...but dont get me wrong...advice from your boy is always helpful..believe me i wouldnt be me (which isnt too much) without em...but i think taking advice from some internet stranger telling you to do so and so to learn letters or heres and R or M to start with is just below stupid...i dont care if its COPE2 talking it is just bad...TO ANY KIDS CONSIDERING USING THESE LETTERS PLEASE THINK TWICE...YOUR DOING NOTHING BUT CHEATING YOURSELVES... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DorkstaR Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 cheaters never prosper....but it gets you really far.:D this thread is for kids who have trouble....if they wanna use it then let em...if not...ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndergroundEssentials Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Yeah this really does defeat the whole purpose of graff which is patience and learning in stages....U really are just cheating and removing an essential filter for the graff scene...SO STOP..PLUS THE LETTERS UR SPEWING OUT KINDA SUCK...:D :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 U really are just cheating and removing an essential filter for the graff scene... yeah.. I totally hear that. You're SUPPOSED to suck when you start out. That's the way it is. But the only real 'filter' is the ability to paint !!! They teach music, they teach fine arts, they teach calligraphy (which is exactly what my lesson is about, for those who noticed). They dont teach how to go out and paint... which isn't what I'm doing either. You'll find lots of step-by-step guides to painting on the 'net. This isn't one of them. I'm not trying to give a style to people that have none, but it's a usefull tool to break down the stages of any process. And remember the original 'Training Bible' thread ? It was all about offering up lessons and advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoink Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by --zeSto-- [b...And remember the original 'Training Bible' thread ? It was all about offering up lessons and advice. [/b] word / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaucou Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 i blow flows into a tissue like boogies and snots sick start offs i got summer school now and all i do is rip off peice nice post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarifs&clips Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Hmmm... I see where your comming from Zesto but I would have to dissagree...I still believe in old fashioned mentoring. when I was a kid Izze taught me a few basics that I took and ran with and eventually developed my own style upon the foundation that I was taught. Do you really think I should share these "secrets" with a bunch of kids on the internet that I dont know from adam? Not a chance! If a kid's really dedicated there's more than enough material out there right now to learn from without us spoon feeding it to them...Study styles,stick to basics, develop it, and find your niche. my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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